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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?
Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....
It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....
1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.
a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:
"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]
2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.
3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News
a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.
The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an aversion to cruelty, and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.
4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?
Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.
5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf
a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News
b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?
And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf
Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?
How could you?
How could they?
Pretty simple. Free stuff for those who want it without earning it.
Yeah, everyone voted for Obama to get free stuff. Man, you are as thick as two boards.
How does PoliChic contain all of that hate in her little body?
As to the OP, no one was fooled. Caribou Barbie was screaming about all the Fox/rw conspiracies at every campaign stop to no avail. You people were weighed, tested, & found wanting. Same goes for Lyin Ryan (R). No one believed what he said except for his throwing the elderly & poor under the bus.
How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?
Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....
It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....
1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.
a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:
"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]
2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.
3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News
a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.
The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.
4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?
Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.
5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf
a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News
b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?
And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf
Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?
How could you?
How could they?
Pretty simple. Free stuff for those who want it without earning it.
Yeah, everyone voted for Obama to get free stuff. Man, you are as thick as two boards.
Yeah, everyone voted for Obama to get free stuff. Man, you are as thick as two boards.
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
OMG! Seems you are right!
"Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence
This seems like a fairly obvious mistake and one would have hoped that a speech writer would have picked this up. The full speech is available from the White House website:
all in defense of those God-given rights that were first put to paper 236 years ago: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. . . .
Of course, Thomas Jefferson didn't think that this was the first time that these ideas were "put to paper." The Declaration reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Jefferson wrote in a letter to Henry Lee on May 8, 1825. "Not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take.
"Neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, ...."
John Lott's Website: Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence
Yes and most the founders violated that principle, rather profoundly, by being slave owners. Jefferson may have even raped his slaves.
Gotta love you guys.
And your "principles".
PC, you have it wrong. The Founders (and there are some 60 or 70 counted as such in the first generation) compromised on slavery, fair and square, kicking the bucket down the road.
They had to in order to get a country.
How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?
Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....
It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....
1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.
a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:
"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]
2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.
3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News
a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.
The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an aversion to cruelty, and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.
4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?
Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.
5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf
a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News
b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?
And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf
Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?
How could you?
How could they?
Pretty simple. Free stuff for those who want it without earning it.
Yeah, everyone voted for Obama to get free stuff. Man, you are as thick as two boards.
At times the founders were thought to be the people connected with the entire scenario of founding a new nation and new government while the "framers" were those involved in writing of the Constitution. A few arguments have ensued as to Jefferson being a framer.
No one is worrying about God, PC.
The DOI is a statement of general principles, and about deity, Jefferson's language for God is deistic not Christian.
"...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."
Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[50] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout the USA and Europe).Jefferson's letters and included in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. American Founding Fathers, or Framers of the Constitution, who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their political speeches show distinct deistic influence.
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
OMG! Seems you are right!
"Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence
This seems like a fairly obvious mistake and one would have hoped that a speech writer would have picked this up. The full speech is available from the White House website:
all in defense of those God-given rights that were first put to paper 236 years ago: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. . . .
Of course, Thomas Jefferson didn't think that this was the first time that these ideas were "put to paper." The Declaration reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Jefferson wrote in a letter to Henry Lee on May 8, 1825. "Not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take.
"Neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, ...."
John Lott's Website: Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence
Yes and most the founders violated that principle, rather profoundly, by being slave owners. Jefferson may have even raped his slaves.
Gotta love you guys.
And your "principles".
PC, you have it wrong. The Founders (and there are some 60 or 70 counted as such in the first generation) compromised on slavery, fair and square, kicking the bucket down the road.
They had to in order to get a country.
I'm never wrong. I once thought I was wrong, turns out, I was mistaken.
All you did in your post was summarize what I posted.
I can't begin to tell you what an asset you have been......
...but as soon as that becomes evident, you can count on my reporting same.
At times the founders were thought to be the people connected with the entire scenario of founding a new nation and new government while the "framers" were those involved in writing of the Constitution. A few arguments have ensued as to Jefferson being a framer.
reggie.....is there even the slightest chance that....perhaps by accident.....you might touch on the question posed by the OP.....as to whether or not you agree with Barack Obama, that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth,..."
The example chosen as an absolute truth is that all men are to be treated as equal in the eyes of the law?
Care to take a bite?
If you find that one too.....onerous....how about this truth suggested by the Constitution: men, by their nature are not 'good,' and their natural tendency is to lean toward self-aggrandizement, so checks and balances must be built into the law of the land.
The absolute truth about human beings: they are not angels (Federalist #51).
Aren't you even a little tempted to condemn Obama?
A little?
At times the founders were thought to be the people connected with the entire scenario of founding a new nation and new government while the "framers" were those involved in writing of the Constitution. A few arguments have ensued as to Jefferson being a framer.
reggie.....is there even the slightest chance that....perhaps by accident.....you might touch on the question posed by the OP.....as to whether or not you agree with Barack Obama, that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth,..."
The example chosen as an absolute truth is that all men are to be treated as equal in the eyes of the law?
Care to take a bite?
If you find that one too.....onerous....how about this truth suggested by the Constitution: men, by their nature are not 'good,' and their natural tendency is to lean toward self-aggrandizement, so checks and balances must be built into the law of the land.
The absolute truth about human beings: they are not angels (Federalist #51).
Aren't you even a little tempted to condemn Obama?
A little?
This search for absolute truth thing has no end or we haven't reached the end yet. Marx thought he had reached the end of government truths with his dialectical materialism, but so far he erred; it seems other truths emerged. If the framers thought they had reached the absolute truth with the Constitution why put in amendment clauses? Allen Bloom might have been both right and wrong, but the framers were under no illusions.
