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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?

How could they?


Pretty simple. Free stuff for those who want it without earning it.
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?

How could they?


Pretty simple. Free stuff for those who want it without earning it.
Sure.

Oil companies got their war on Iraq for free..no wait..they actually got paid.

But..so far? No free stuff for me.

My taxes went up.

However? I like the fact poor folks are getting fed and those that can't afford insurance are getting it.

So? I'll adjust.

One less trip overseas next year. :eusa_shifty:
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
The DOI is a one shot deal.

Most of you folks love it because it mentions god, unlike the Constitution.

But no law is derived from the DOI.
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
The DOI is a one shot deal.

Most of you folks love it because it mentions god, unlike the Constitution.

But no law is derived from the DOI.
The founding principles of this country are in the Declaration of independence. the problem with liberals is they reject the founding principals "one shot deal"...Please
 
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How does PoliChic contain all of that hate in her little body? :dunno:

As to the OP, no one was fooled. Caribou Barbie was screaming about all the Fox/rw conspiracies at every campaign stop to no avail. You people were weighed, tested, & found wanting. Same goes for Lyin Ryan (R). No one believed what he said except for his throwing the elderly & poor under the bus.
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
The DOI is a one shot deal.

Most of you folks love it because it mentions god, unlike the Constitution.

But no law is derived from the DOI.


Mr. Lincoln and the Declaration


"Let us revere the Declaration of Independence."1 Those were the watchwords of Abraham Lincoln's political life. "Let us readopt the Declaration of Independence, and with it the practices and policy which harmonize with it."2 This is what Mr. Lincoln said and this is what he meant.

Harry Jaffa, one of the most distinguished Lincoln scholars, wrote in his pathbreaking Crisis of the House Divided, that President "Lincoln's interpretation of 'all men are created equal' transforms that proposition form a pre-political, negative, minimal, and merely revolutionary norm, a norm which prescribes what civil society ought not to be, into a transcendental affirmation of what it ought to be."3 In New Birth of Freedom, Jaffa wrote: "Lincoln did not appeal to the Declaration of Independence merely because it was our first and foremost founding document. It was, he said, the immortal emblem of man's humanity and the father of all moral principle because it incorporated a rational, nonarbitrary moral and political standard. The equality of man and man was a necessary inference from the inequality of man and beast — and of man and God. No one possessed of a civilized conscience can fail to feel this sympathy. The empirical evidence bears Lincoln out."4

In his 1863 Gettysburg Address, President Lincoln embraced the Declaration of Independence as the foundation of the Republic — a foundation which had been undermined by the apologists for slavery. We remember that Mr. Lincoln said: "Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."5 Echoing Professor Jaffa, Garry Wills wrote in Lincoln at Gettysburg: "The Gettysburg Address has become an authoritative expression of the American spirit — as authoritative as the Declaration itself, and perhaps even more influential, since it determines how we read the Declaration. For most people now, the Declaration means what Lincoln told us it means, as a way of correcting the Constitution itself without overthrowing it." Jaffa would argued that the Founders meant what Lincoln said at Gettysburg.

Mr. Lincoln's interpretation breathed new life into both founding documents. Historian Richard N. Current wrote: "Lincoln passionately believed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United of the United States. To him, these documents were not merely historical relics; they embodied fundamental ideals, ideals in the process of realization, ideals that formed the basis for his political thinking."
Abraham Lincoln and Founders - Abraham Lincoln and the Declaration of Independence.
 
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How does PoliChic contain all of that hate in her little body? :dunno:

As to the OP, no one was fooled. Caribou Barbie was screaming about all the Fox/rw conspiracies at every campaign stop to no avail. You people were weighed, tested, & found wanting. Same goes for Lyin Ryan (R). No one believed what he said except for his throwing the elderly & poor under the bus.
How about addressing her points instead of going on some stupid personal attack? you people are a joke you got nothing.:cuckoo:
 
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So, I take it Christmas sucked, PC.

:lol:


I take it you still are unable to contend with the subject of an OP......

You'd like to post a response, but all that comes out is some blather.
With apologies to Brendan Behan, watching you attempt to post a cogent reponse is like watching a Eunuch in a Harem. He wants to, but just can’t.


The reason for your consistency is simple: you're a Liberal.


Liberals cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas.....


"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Coulter
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?

How could they?


Pretty simple. Free stuff for those who want it without earning it.
Yeah, everyone voted for Obama to get free stuff. Man, you are as thick as two boards.
 

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PC, the fate of the far right's philosophy: "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin."

Now let's join all in prayer for and with those who desire peace and love our neighbors as ourselves.
 
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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.



OMG! Seems you are right!


"Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence

This seems like a fairly obvious mistake and one would have hoped that a speech writer would have picked this up. The full speech is available from the White House website:

all in defense of those God-given rights that were first put to paper 236 years ago: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. . . .

Of course, Thomas Jefferson didn't think that this was the first time that these ideas were "put to paper." The Declaration reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Jefferson wrote in a letter to Henry Lee on May 8, 1825. "Not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take.
"Neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, ...."
John Lott's Website: Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence
 

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I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
The DOI is a one shot deal.

Most of you folks love it because it mentions god, unlike the Constitution.

But no law is derived from the DOI.
The founding principles of this country are in the Declaration of independence. the problem with liberals is they reject the founding principals "one shot deal"...Please
Yeah..it was a one shot deal. It was specific to England.

That's it.

No laws are derived from it and no case goes to the supreme court because it violated the "principles" of the DOI.
 

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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.



OMG! Seems you are right!


"Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence

This seems like a fairly obvious mistake and one would have hoped that a speech writer would have picked this up. The full speech is available from the White House website:

all in defense of those God-given rights that were first put to paper 236 years ago: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. . . .

Of course, Thomas Jefferson didn't think that this was the first time that these ideas were "put to paper." The Declaration reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Jefferson wrote in a letter to Henry Lee on May 8, 1825. "Not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take.
"Neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, ...."
John Lott's Website: Obama makes mistake about the Declaration of Independence
Yes and most the founders violated that principle, rather profoundly, by being slave owners. Jefferson may have even raped his slaves.

Gotta love you guys.

And your "principles".
 
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How could American voters have been tricked into voting for an individual with the views of Barack Obama?


Not easily...not without one hundred years of preparation for the moment....

It began as a well intended and necessary reform....then Lord Acton's motto took over, and power corrupted the reformers.....





1. Woodrow Wilson, our first Progressive President was elected as a result of Teddy Roosevelt, himself well on the road to anti-constituional views, splitting the vote with Taft.

a. Wilson, inveterate racist Democrat, let it be known how he felt about the Constitution:

"Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson [Woodrow Wilson
"The Modern Democratic State" (1885; first published in 1966)
The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, Volume 5]




2. In 1933, another anti-constitutionalist took the presidency. His powers came from the perfect-storm of the Depression, and then the world war. He cowed the judiciary, and co-opted the press. The schools were hardly a problem.
The ascendency of Progressivism led us to today.





3. ' President Obama wrote in his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," that "Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty was a rejection of absolute truth. The infallibility of any idea, or ideology, or theology, or "ism," any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course or drive, both majorities and minorities, into the cruelties of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the Gulag or the jihad."'
Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

a. The idea that truth is 'relative' is called 'postmodernism,' which men can guide their thoughts and actions, it denies the existence of a source of truth, morality, and intelligibility distinct from man.

The leading academic postmodernist, the late Richard Rorty, argued that liberals are moral relativists who feel an “aversion to cruelty,” and it's that aversion that makes them liberals.[Postmodernism] affirms that whatever we accept as truth and even the way we envision truth are dependent on the community in which we participate .
Grenz, S. J., "A Primer on Postmodernism", p. 8.






4. Make sense?
Seem to be...what?....a brilliant analysis? An echo of what so many have heard university?

Indeed, it is.
So very many have been exposed only to Liberal/progressive/socialist rhetoric that they accept such nonsense without thinking about what it means, entails, or how it fits with the founders views.


5. "James Madison is known as the Father of the Constitution, and when he suggested in the Federalist Papers that the Constitution receives its authority from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, he was expressing what was then the common view. Here is the famous statement of those principles:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..." http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf


a. " Barack Obama beliefs are foreign to what the Declaration of Independence stands for. He believes that in the name of liberty we as a nation must reject absolute truths." Letter: Absolute truth | Deseret News

b. Who among us cannot see absolute truth in the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the ability to think, to judge what is being told to one?

And who are these Republicans who never, in the course of two long presidential campaigns, never in opposition to Barack Obama, thought to point out his
unequivocal disagreement with the principles we celebrate as a nation on the
Fourth of July?
http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





Offered James Madison or Barack Obama....and who did you choose?

How could you?
I doubt most liberals even know what the Declaration of Independence is.
The DOI is a one shot deal.

Most of you folks love it because it mentions god, unlike the Constitution.

But no law is derived from the DOI.




"Most of you folks love it because it mentions god, unlike the Constitution."

Does this count:

Despite the secular nature of our national government, there is one unambiguous reference to Christ in the Constitution. Article VII dates the Constitution in "the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven."
"The Year of Our Lord" and separation.


To whom do you think that refers?
 

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