How Could A U.S. President Allow This To Happen?

[Grumblenuts]

The subject is illegal spying on U.S. citizens under the Obama administration. Care to comment on the topic?

The subject actually being "How Could A U.S. President Allow This To Happen?" - comparison with other U.S. Presidents logically follows. Why pick out "illegal spying" and "Obama"? He was a huge disappointment for many, many reasons. As Moonglow points out for one, he didn't start nor end "This." Calling out Trump for having done nothing to end these programs might make sense in this election year with the exact same thread title.

The question should be whether a U.S. President could even stop it now? Do you think the MIC tells the President what to do or vice-versa? Nice looking family you got there.. Shame if anything were to happen to any of them..

 

[forkup]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

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Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

So Obama should have done something to end a program that was first established in 1971 continued under every president since, including almost certainly this one.

I haven't found anything that speaks of massive collection of data and illegal spying on innocent Americans that began in the 70s or 80s. If you can provide me with a link to this kind of abuse prior to 9/11 I would be most grateful.

.

I'm on my phone atm linking is cumbersome for me. You can do a simple google search on Echelon. Or wait a few hours and I'll provide it then.

As promised

ECHELON - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some general info. Of course, it's Wikipedia so.

Wayback Machine

This describes an instance where a US senator's communications where intercepted on wich a whistleblower called Margeret Newsman in 1988.

National Security Agency Tracking of U.S. Citizens – “Questionable Practices” from 1960s & 1970s | National Security Archive

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2017 – The National Security Agency’s (NSA) own official history conflated two different constitutionally "questionable practices" involving surveillance of U.S. citizens, according to recent NSA declassifications published today by the National Security Archive...

nsarchive.gwu.edu

This is declassified information prior to 1974

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The Ninth? I thought they were anti-American leftists! I guess all the "proofs" of their devious behavior had be sent down a "memory hole" to fit the new narrative.

It was... until Trump fixed it

 

[bendog]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

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Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

Clearly he was a muslim socialist athiest commie

 

[xyz]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

.

Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

Well, let's see. In the name of national security. This program started in the wake of 9/11 and if my admittedly hazy memory serves me, GWB was President (memba the Patriot Act?).
From The Hill article. So it continued? Are you surprised?...or is your righteous indignation reserved for just for Obama?
"The metadata collection program was created and approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court after the passage of the Patriot Act in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks".

Obama had a history of spying. Sadly this is often overlooked when discussing his reputation and the weight given to his opinion in present matters.

I believe that Snowden did the right thing in revealing the abusive and illegal spying. Not a very popular position with people on the right. I also never had a kind word to say about presidents Bush or Clinton.

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They were spying on us during Bush jr also.

And it was greatly expanded during Bush Jr.

Plus many of the people who supported it back then and kept going " 'murica! F**k yeah!" are Trump supporters now.

 

[Decus]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

.

Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

So Obama should have done something to end a program that was first established in 1971 continued under every president since, including almost certainly this one.

I haven't found anything that speaks of massive collection of data and illegal spying on innocent Americans that began in the 70s or 80s. If you can provide me with a link to this kind of abuse prior to 9/11 I would be most grateful.

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I'm on my phone atm linking is cumbersome for me. You can do a simple google search on Echelon. Or wait a few hours and I'll provide it then.

As promised

ECHELON - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some general info. Of course, it's Wikipedia so.

Wayback Machine

This describes an instance where a US senator's communications where intercepted on wich a whistleblower called Margeret Newsman in 1988.

National Security Agency Tracking of U.S. Citizens – “Questionable Practices” from 1960s & 1970s | National Security Archive

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2017 – The National Security Agency’s (NSA) own official history conflated two different constitutionally "questionable practices" involving surveillance of U.S. citizens, according to recent NSA declassifications published today by the National Security Archive...

nsarchive.gwu.edu

This is declassified information prior to 1974

I read through it but much of what is written describes Echelon spying on the citizens and businesses of other countries, as well as military and political electronic espionage.

There is the mention of the risk of Echelon being used to spy on Americans but I was unable to find any information that says it was used in that manner or in the scope of the NSA's massive efforts as revealed by Snowden. Sorry but could you guide me to where Echelon was used to spy on Americans?

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[Decus]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

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Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

Clearly he was a muslim socialist athiest commie

That is so insightful. Not so much regarding Obama but rather on your inability to discuss a subject.

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[JackOfNoTrades]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

.

Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

Well, let's see. In the name of national security. This program started in the wake of 9/11 and if my admittedly hazy memory serves me, GWB was President (memba the Patriot Act?).
From The Hill article. So it continued? Are you surprised?...or is your righteous indignation reserved for just for Obama?
"The metadata collection program was created and approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court after the passage of the Patriot Act in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks".

The act which passed by a 98-1 vote in the Senate, which you happened to omit.

Which has nothing to do with my point. I'm just saying Obama didn't order it. The program was already in place.

 

[Oddball]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

.

Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

Well, let's see. In the name of national security. This program started in the wake of 9/11 and if my admittedly hazy memory serves me, GWB was President (memba the Patriot Act?).
From The Hill article. So it continued? Are you surprised?...or is your righteous indignation reserved for just for Obama?
"The metadata collection program was created and approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court after the passage of the Patriot Act in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks".

The act which passed by a 98-1 vote in the Senate, which you happened to omit.

Which has nothing to do with my point. I'm just saying Obama didn't order it. The program was already in place.

The comment is right on point....Obama didn't allow it to sunset, then abused it.

Aside from that, the Patriot Act was sitting in a file cabinet somewhere, ready to be rolled out and crammed down on the first opportune occasion.....It's a bipartisan violation of every precept of civil liberties, that democrats used to at least try to pretend that they stood for.

 

[FA_Q2]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

.

Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

Well, let's see. In the name of national security. This program started in the wake of 9/11 and if my admittedly hazy memory serves me, GWB was President (memba the Patriot Act?).
From The Hill article. So it continued? Are you surprised?...or is your righteous indignation reserved for just for Obama?
"The metadata collection program was created and approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court after the passage of the Patriot Act in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks".

The act which passed by a 98-1 vote in the Senate, which you happened to omit.

Which has nothing to do with my point. I'm just saying Obama didn't order it. The program was already in place.

And expanded under his watch not to mention used against journalists quite liberally.

The left attacks Trump claiming the media is the enemy while ignoring that Obama actually treated them as such.

The simple fact that the PA passed in the Senate with the support that it had shows that this is a governmental program rather than a specific party, group or person problem though - on that you are correct. I said the same shit back when the idiots on the right were pushing for the PA under Bush - at some point the other party is going to have those powers and you are NOT going to like how they use it.

I can remember when one of the chief complaints from politicians against Bush were things like the PA, ironic that they became cheerleaders for it the instant Obama was in office and now almost no one ever even mentions it.

Next idiocy is going to be eliminating the filibuster - the left thought it was a good idea when they were in power and the right used it to slam appointees in federal judge positions with impunity. They still have not learned their lesson though - I am willing to bet that if Biden wins they are going to go through with eliminating it and then cry rivers when the republicans take power back.

Obama was a terrible president - his open abuse of the constitution is blatantly obvious as was Bush and as is Trump.

 

[forkup]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

.

Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

So Obama should have done something to end a program that was first established in 1971 continued under every president since, including almost certainly this one.

I haven't found anything that speaks of massive collection of data and illegal spying on innocent Americans that began in the 70s or 80s. If you can provide me with a link to this kind of abuse prior to 9/11 I would be most grateful.

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I'm on my phone atm linking is cumbersome for me. You can do a simple google search on Echelon. Or wait a few hours and I'll provide it then.

As promised

ECHELON - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some general info. Of course, it's Wikipedia so.

Wayback Machine

This describes an instance where a US senator's communications where intercepted on wich a whistleblower called Margeret Newsman in 1988.

National Security Agency Tracking of U.S. Citizens – “Questionable Practices” from 1960s & 1970s | National Security Archive

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2017 – The National Security Agency’s (NSA) own official history conflated two different constitutionally "questionable practices" involving surveillance of U.S. citizens, according to recent NSA declassifications published today by the National Security Archive...

nsarchive.gwu.edu

This is declassified information prior to 1974

I read through it but much of what is written describes Echelon spying on the citizens and businesses of other countries, as well as military and political electronic espionage.

There is the mention of the risk of Echelon being used to spy on Americans but I was unable to find any information that says it was used in that manner or in the scope of the NSA's massive efforts as revealed by Snowden. Sorry but could you guide me to where Echelon was used to spy on Americans?

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My third link speaks of 73000 names of American citizens on which the NSA had files. Of course, this was prior 1974 After which the Church commission passed a law prohibiting this. Post 1974 how or if Echelon was used is more difficult to determine. We know of one instance where someone came forward claiming Echelon spied on someone in the US as stated in the second link. So you have to make some inferences. There are and were listening posts in the continental US. Since communication satellites are typically in a geostationary orbit it's safe to assume they are listening to data in line of sight. And if it happened once that we know of it's likely that it happened more since we have to assume that people coming forward and risking their job or even their freedom are rare.

If it was massive I don't know, it doesn't matter tough if your objection is it's legality. A crime is a crime no matter how many times it's perpetrated.

So now my question is the following. We know that probably JFK was in charge when this kind of stuff was happening. For sure Johnson and Nixon, probably Reagan, Bush Sn., Clinton. For sure Bush Jr. and Obama. More than likely Trump. So why if I may ask are you singling out Obama in your post? He didn't start the program, not the first time and not the second, and chances are the current president is continuing it.

 

[MisterBeale]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

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Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

Well, let's see. In the name of national security. This program started in the wake of 9/11 and if my admittedly hazy memory serves me, GWB was President (memba the Patriot Act?).
From The Hill article. So it continued? Are you surprised?...or is your righteous indignation reserved for just for Obama?
"The metadata collection program was created and approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court after the passage of the Patriot Act in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks".

The act which passed by a 98-1 vote in the Senate, which you happened to omit.

Which has nothing to do with my point. I'm just saying Obama didn't order it. The program was already in place.

The comment is right on point....Obama didn't allow it to sunset, then abused it.

Aside from that, the Patriot Act was sitting in a file cabinet somewhere, ready to be rolled out and crammed down on the first opportune occasion.....It's a bipartisan violation of every precept of civil liberties, that democrats used to at least try to pretend that they stood for.

. . . . a file cabinet in Joe Biden's office. . .


Joe Biden Admits He Wrote The Patriot Act In 1995!

Joe Biden Admits He Wrote The Patriot Act In 1995!

Current Vice President Joe Biden worked on the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, a prelude to the 2001 Patriot Act that followed some six years later. Joe Biden admits, “I drafted a terrorism bill after [...]

newspunch.com

In Which Joe Biden Brags About Having Written the Patriot Act

The Senate's erstwhile Irish beat cop is today trying to court the left. That doesn't square with many of his past positions.

In Which Joe Biden Brags About Having Written the Patriot Act

The Senate's erstwhile Irish beat cop is today trying to court the left. That doesn't square with many of his past positions.

www.theamericanconservative.com

Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MisterBeale]

Joe Biden. . . responsible for ICE?!

 

[BlindBoo]

How could this happen?

With Congresses consent of course. Didn't they extend the warrant-less wiretaps until 2024?

Nothing new either.

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/levy-fee-july2006_0.pdf

 

[konradv]

The Ninth? I thought they were anti-American leftists! I guess all the "proofs" of their devious behavior had be sent down a "memory hole" to fit the new narrative.

The subject is illegal spying on U.S. citizens under the Obama administration. Care to comment on the topic?

I am. It may have been round about way of saying that the right's hypocrisy makes the charges of spying specious at best, if not fabricated to try and influence the election. My evidence: as we've been told repeatedly the 9th always gets it wrong.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

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Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

It's fun that you think this is a partisan issue.

 

[Decus]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

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Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

So Obama should have done something to end a program that was first established in 1971 continued under every president since, including almost certainly this one.

I haven't found anything that speaks of massive collection of data and illegal spying on innocent Americans that began in the 70s or 80s. If you can provide me with a link to this kind of abuse prior to 9/11 I would be most grateful.

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I'm on my phone atm linking is cumbersome for me. You can do a simple google search on Echelon. Or wait a few hours and I'll provide it then.

As promised

ECHELON - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some general info. Of course, it's Wikipedia so.

Wayback Machine

This describes an instance where a US senator's communications where intercepted on wich a whistleblower called Margeret Newsman in 1988.

National Security Agency Tracking of U.S. Citizens – “Questionable Practices” from 1960s & 1970s | National Security Archive

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2017 – The National Security Agency’s (NSA) own official history conflated two different constitutionally "questionable practices" involving surveillance of U.S. citizens, according to recent NSA declassifications published today by the National Security Archive...

nsarchive.gwu.edu

This is declassified information prior to 1974

I read through it but much of what is written describes Echelon spying on the citizens and businesses of other countries, as well as military and political electronic espionage.

There is the mention of the risk of Echelon being used to spy on Americans but I was unable to find any information that says it was used in that manner or in the scope of the NSA's massive efforts as revealed by Snowden. Sorry but could you guide me to where Echelon was used to spy on Americans?

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My third link speaks of 73000 names of American citizens on which the NSA had files. Of course, this was prior 1974 After which the Church commission passed a law prohibiting this. Post 1974 how or if Echelon was used is more difficult to determine. We know of one instance where someone came forward claiming Echelon spied on someone in the US as stated in the second link. So you have to make some inferences. There are and were listening posts in the continental US. Since communication satellites are typically in a geostationary orbit it's safe to assume they are listening to data in line of sight. And if it happened once that we know of it's likely that it happened more since we have to assume that people coming forward and risking their job or even their freedom are rare.

If it was massive I don't know, it doesn't matter tough if your objection is it's legality. A crime is a crime no matter how many times it's perpetrated.

So now my question is the following. We know that probably JFK was in charge when this kind of stuff was happening. For sure Johnson and Nixon, probably Reagan, Bush Sn., Clinton. For sure Bush Jr. and Obama. More than likely Trump. So why if I may ask are you singling out Obama in your post? He didn't start the program, not the first time and not the second, and chances are the current president is continuing it.

I appreciate your reply. My issues with what you wrote are as follows:

• Echelon existed but the scope and size given what is known of Echelon pales in comparison to the NSA's actions directed against Americans under Obama
• In 2013 Snowden provided evidence that millions of innocent Americans were being spied on by the NSA
• This is a clear violation of the Constitution's 4th Amendment
• Obama is said to be a "Constitutional scholar" but did not act in the face of overwhelming evidence that Americans' rights were being violated
• The Obama administration not only turned a blind eye to the NSA's illegal activities but also engaged in spying against journalists and others

Obama has chosen to to criticize this president but so many questions remain regarding just how much Obama sought to protect the interests of the American people.

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[PoliticalChic]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the massive spying that took place under the Obama administration; against U.S. citizens, was illegal and very likely unconstitutional. How could a "Constitutional scholar" like Obama allow this to happen?:

"In a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional."

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...

www.reuters.com

Appeals court finds NSA's bulk phone data collection was unlawful

Edward Snowden, who revealed the program in 2013, says he feels vindicated.

www.cnet.com

Appeals court rules NSA’s bulk phone data collection illegal

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program that collected data on Americans’ telephone calls was illegal and possibly unconstitutiona…

thehill.com

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/03/snowden-vindication-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-of-us-phones-unlawful-and-us-intelligence-leaders-lied

US court rules NSA surveillance program was illegal – DW – 09/03/2020

A federal court has ruled that the US intelligence’s surveillance program exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden was unlawful, and possibly unconstitutional.

www.dw.com

NSA mass surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden was illegal, U.S. court rules

Snowden, who fled to Russia in the aftermath of the 2013 disclosures and still faces U.S. espionage charges, said on Twitter that the ruling was a vindication

nationalpost.com

Funny but I couldn't find this on CNN.

.

Federal appeals court finds NSA phone metadata program illegal

A federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday that a National Security Agency program that collected the metadata from billions of phone calls made by Americans was illegal and possibly unconstitutional despite upholding the conviction of four Somali immigrants charged in a terror-fundraising case...

www.foxnews.com

When Obama said he was going to ‘fundamentally transform’ America, he didn’t let on that he meant into East Germany and the Stasi.

"...the Stasi, the East German secret police, who previously had considered themselves the "shield and sword" of the party. ...Stasi informers, the inoffizielle Mitarbeiter (IMs).... identified as IMs, or 2.5 percent of the total population between the ages of 18 and 60.

"The Stasi was much, much worse than the Gestapo, if you consider only the oppression of its own people," .... The Gestapo had 40,000 officials watching a country of 80 million, while the Stasi employed 102,000 to control only 17 million."
Stasi

They had nothing on Hussein Obama.

He spied on the Senate Intelligence Committee, the NYTimes, the Associated Press, Fox News, CBS News, Sharyl Attkisson, James Risen, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, President Trump, Angela Merkle, on and on.







Spying was a way of life, pro form, for Obama and his thugs.

Jake Tapper

stated on January 2, 2014 in a broadcast of CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper":

"The Obama administration has used the Espionage Act to go after whistleblowers who leaked to journalists ... more than all previous administrations combined."

PolitiFact - CNN's Tapper: Obama has used Espionage Act more than all previous administrations





“…Plante reminded viewers of how horrible President Obama was to the press and the First Amendment, despite the media’s infatuation with him. “But for eight years, President Obama racked up what has to be, and what the ACLU described as one of the worst First Amendment records and presidential history,” he said. “The ACLU described him as a terrible First Amendment president, all right. A terrible First Amendment president.” Chris Plante: The Liberal Media Is ‘Tube Feeding’ Lies to America



“Former ACLU president and author Nadine Strossen made the remark during a phone interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation about the ACLU’s efforts with regard to free speech on college campuses going back to the 1990s.

“I still think a lot of liberals aren’t aware [of] what a terrible president [Obama] was,” Strossen told TheDCNF, alluding to the fact that the former president used the Espionage Act to pursue whistleblowers more times than all previous presidents had combined.” Former ACLU President: Obama Was ‘Terrible President’ On Free Speech Issues


Difference between Watergate and the Obama Spying? Watergate was a failed attempt by a political party to spy on their political enemies.