how can someone be against school vouchers?

[blu]

I having been wondering about school vouchers for a bit and started to read up on it. I checked wikipedia first ( School voucher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) and then went on to some other sites, but they weren't that helpful.

To me vouchers seems like the best solution from an education and government spending standard. its no secret that if everyone had to pay for their kids education that all kids wouldn't be getting an education because some people simply cannot afford it or they have so many children with little income meaning some of the kids will be left without.

With that said, I don't see why the government (even state govs) need to run grammar & high schools. With vouchers the government is simply funding the tuition (and possible books/uniforms/lunches) of students instead of entire school systems. The cost benefit seems fairly obvious. From a quality of education standpoint, except for some select areas (north east the biggest), public schools really suck and are mostly wasting kids time anyway. Why not give the boost to private schools and with the extra boost of income allow them take in the influx of children? The existing school sites (along wit the buildings/upplies etc) could be sold to private companies who will then come in and start a private school in its place. Not only would this raise some temporary money for the states/fed gov but it would save millions/billions in the long run and the quality of education for the average student would jump by quite a bit.

The only argument I see against it is funding of tuition for religious schools. While I see the issue here, sane religious schools don't sit and indoctrinate kids all day and instead give them a very good education. I went to catholci school for 12 years and the education was excellent espcially compared to public schools in the area. Similarly, my stepson goes to a lutheran school even though we aren't lutheran b/c of the quality of education.

 

[uscitizen]

I am for vouchers as long as the recepient gets back only the school taxes they paid in.
I want my 1,000 or so I paid last year to go to the public school system.

Can I have your library taxes to spend at barnes and noble?

 

[geauxtohell]

I having been wondering about school vouchers for a bit and started to read up on it. I checked wikipedia first ( School voucher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) and then went on to some other sites, but they weren't that helpful.

To me vouchers seems like the best solution from an education and government spending standard. its no secret that if everyone had to pay for their kids education that all kids wouldn't be getting an education because some people simply cannot afford it or they have so many children with little income meaning some of the kids will be left without.

With that said, I don't see why the government (even state govs) need to run grammar & high schools. With vouchers the government is simply funding the tuition (and possible books/uniforms/lunches) of students instead of entire school systems. The cost benefit seems fairly obvious. From a quality of education standpoint, except for some select areas (north east the biggest), public schools really suck and are mostly wasting kids time anyway. Why not give the boost to private schools and with the extra boost of income allow them take in the influx of children? The existing school sites (along wit the buildings/upplies etc) could be sold to private companies who will then come in and start a private school in its place. Not only would this raise some temporary money for the states/fed gov but it would save millions/billions in the long run and the quality of education for the average student would jump by quite a bit.

The only argument I see against it is funding of tuition for religious schools. While I see the issue here, sane religious schools don't sit and indoctrinate kids all day and instead give them a very good education. I went to catholci school for 12 years and the education was excellent espcially compared to public schools in the area. Similarly, my stepson goes to a lutheran school even though we aren't lutheran b/c of the quality of education.

Because they gut private schools and increase the inequality between the education levels of the haves and have nots.

 

[Againsheila]

I having been wondering about school vouchers for a bit and started to read up on it. I checked wikipedia first ( School voucher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) and then went on to some other sites, but they weren't that helpful.

To me vouchers seems like the best solution from an education and government spending standard. its no secret that if everyone had to pay for their kids education that all kids wouldn't be getting an education because some people simply cannot afford it or they have so many children with little income meaning some of the kids will be left without.

With that said, I don't see why the government (even state govs) need to run grammar & high schools. With vouchers the government is simply funding the tuition (and possible books/uniforms/lunches) of students instead of entire school systems. The cost benefit seems fairly obvious. From a quality of education standpoint, except for some select areas (north east the biggest), public schools really suck and are mostly wasting kids time anyway. Why not give the boost to private schools and with the extra boost of income allow them take in the influx of children? The existing school sites (along wit the buildings/upplies etc) could be sold to private companies who will then come in and start a private school in its place. Not only would this raise some temporary money for the states/fed gov but it would save millions/billions in the long run and the quality of education for the average student would jump by quite a bit.

The only argument I see against it is funding of tuition for religious schools. While I see the issue here, sane religious schools don't sit and indoctrinate kids all day and instead give them a very good education. I went to catholci school for 12 years and the education was excellent espcially compared to public schools in the area. Similarly, my stepson goes to a lutheran school even though we aren't lutheran b/c of the quality of education.

I would have no problem with a voucher program so long as you get ALL the money for that child that the school district gets for that child. Anything less is simply a tax break for the wealthy who have already put their kids in private schools.

 

[blu]

Because they gut private schools and increase the inequality between the education levels of the haves and have nots.

vouchers do this or lacking them does this? can you expand a bit

 

[geauxtohell]

vouchers do this or lacking them does this? can you expand a bit

Vouchers. If property taxes are pulled out of general funds for vouchers, the public schools come up with the short stick.

You live in America, you have to pay rent. Property taxes are part of that rent.

It might not directly benefit you, but it benefits society.

I never hear anyone screaming about "road vouchers", I don't get why school vouchers are a big deal to people.

 

[uscitizen]

I having been wondering about school vouchers for a bit and started to read up on it. I checked wikipedia first ( School voucher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) and then went on to some other sites, but they weren't that helpful.

To me vouchers seems like the best solution from an education and government spending standard. its no secret that if everyone had to pay for their kids education that all kids wouldn't be getting an education because some people simply cannot afford it or they have so many children with little income meaning some of the kids will be left without.

With that said, I don't see why the government (even state govs) need to run grammar & high schools. With vouchers the government is simply funding the tuition (and possible books/uniforms/lunches) of students instead of entire school systems. The cost benefit seems fairly obvious. From a quality of education standpoint, except for some select areas (north east the biggest), public schools really suck and are mostly wasting kids time anyway. Why not give the boost to private schools and with the extra boost of income allow them take in the influx of children? The existing school sites (along wit the buildings/upplies etc) could be sold to private companies who will then come in and start a private school in its place. Not only would this raise some temporary money for the states/fed gov but it would save millions/billions in the long run and the quality of education for the average student would jump by quite a bit.

The only argument I see against it is funding of tuition for religious schools. While I see the issue here, sane religious schools don't sit and indoctrinate kids all day and instead give them a very good education. I went to catholci school for 12 years and the education was excellent espcially compared to public schools in the area. Similarly, my stepson goes to a lutheran school even though we aren't lutheran b/c of the quality of education.

I would have no problem with a voucher program so long as you get ALL the money for that child that the school district gets for that child. Anything less is simply a tax break for the wealthy who have already put their kids in private schools.

why should other peoples school tax money be used for your voucher?

 

[Againsheila]

I having been wondering about school vouchers for a bit and started to read up on it. I checked wikipedia first ( School voucher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) and then went on to some other sites, but they weren't that helpful.

To me vouchers seems like the best solution from an education and government spending standard. its no secret that if everyone had to pay for their kids education that all kids wouldn't be getting an education because some people simply cannot afford it or they have so many children with little income meaning some of the kids will be left without.

With that said, I don't see why the government (even state govs) need to run grammar & high schools. With vouchers the government is simply funding the tuition (and possible books/uniforms/lunches) of students instead of entire school systems. The cost benefit seems fairly obvious. From a quality of education standpoint, except for some select areas (north east the biggest), public schools really suck and are mostly wasting kids time anyway. Why not give the boost to private schools and with the extra boost of income allow them take in the influx of children? The existing school sites (along wit the buildings/upplies etc) could be sold to private companies who will then come in and start a private school in its place. Not only would this raise some temporary money for the states/fed gov but it would save millions/billions in the long run and the quality of education for the average student would jump by quite a bit.

The only argument I see against it is funding of tuition for religious schools. While I see the issue here, sane religious schools don't sit and indoctrinate kids all day and instead give them a very good education. I went to catholci school for 12 years and the education was excellent espcially compared to public schools in the area. Similarly, my stepson goes to a lutheran school even though we aren't lutheran b/c of the quality of education.

I would have no problem with a voucher program so long as you get ALL the money for that child that the school district gets for that child. Anything less is simply a tax break for the wealthy who have already put their kids in private schools.

why should other peoples school tax money be used for your voucher?

Same reason their money pays for the public schools in the first place.

 

[uscitizen]

School vouchers are pushed a lot for the wrong reason.

A big reason school vouchers are pushed is to route tax dollars to the private sector. Not necessarially to improve the childs education. Of course that is the reason given. The other one is not very sellable.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

It is essentially food stamps for education.

I like the idea.

The other half of it is being able to send the kid wherever you want for education, plus some sort of grading of the performance of the schools that can be publicly accessed.

I would like a system where every school is graded on how much better the kids in that institution were at math, science and English than they were last year. Come September, parents can use the information to choose where to send the kid.

 

[Againsheila]

I would have no problem with a voucher program so long as you get ALL the money for that child that the school district gets for that child. Anything less is simply a tax break for the wealthy who have already put their kids in private schools.

why should other peoples school tax money be used for your voucher?

Same reason their money pays for the public schools in the first place.

One more thing, neither of my children are in the public school system anymore so now MY money is paying for other people's kids. I still feel that a voucher program that doesn't provide the same amount of money per child as the school district gets per child is nothing short of welfare for the wealthy, a break on the money they are already paying out for private schools.

 

[jillian]

because the money is used to fund parochial schools in an effort to shut down public schools.

easy to be against vouchers.

 

[uscitizen]

I have not had any children in the school system for 20 something years.
Still paying the taxes though. Heck it was cheaper to educate my own son than everyone elses.

 

[sboyle24]

Isn't people's main issue with the vouchers if people use them for a religiously based school? I personally don't have a problem with it as long as the money is used for their education, and not for the church they receive their education from.

 

[blu]

vouchers do this or lacking them does this? can you expand a bit

Vouchers. If property taxes are pulled out of general funds for vouchers, the public schools come up with the short stick.

You live in America, you have to pay rent. Property taxes are part of that rent.

It might not directly benefit you, but it benefits society.

I never hear anyone screaming about "road vouchers", I don't get why school vouchers are a big deal to people.

Either I am missing someting or you misread my posts. I don't want any public schools at all, privatize them all and let the government pay for the vouchers for kids who cannot afford the cost of schooling plus supplies/uniform/etc if necessary.

 

[blu]

School vouchers are pushed a lot for the wrong reason.

A big reason school vouchers are pushed is to route tax dollars to the private sector. Not necessarially to improve the childs education. Of course that is the reason given. The other one is not very sellable.

but private run schools, except in a few places as mentioned, are thousands of time better in both education, electives, and after school activities

 

[jillian]

but private run schools, except in a few places as mentioned, are thousands of time better in both education, electives, and after school activities

says who?

 

[blu]

Isn't people's main issue with the vouchers if people use them for a religiously based school? I personally don't have a problem with it as long as the money is used for their education, and not for the church they receive their education from.

agreed. none of the religious schools ive come across are indoctrination stations. they are there are to give quality education

 

[uscitizen]

Let each parent actually pay for their childrens schooling.
If they can't afford the school them don't have them.
This should start in 12 years plus 9 months so parents will know to plan on how many kids to have.
Personal responsibilty.

 

[Oddball]

how can someone be against school vouchers?

Because they're the education analog to food stamps.

Time to abolish the federal Department of Edumacation outright and create a separation between school and state.

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