How can Muslim women tolerate a lack of gender equality in Islamic cultures?

[Indofred]

Gender equality is a secular idea that has proven to be a failure in the western nations.

It gave rise to Feminism.......which lead to abortion on demand, rampant lesbianism, 50+% of children born to single mothers, rapid increase of STD's among women, increased female prison population, etc.

The first is very much true, but it wasn't gender equality alone that caused the problems you list.
Most of it was down to the rejection of religion, Christianity in most western cases, and the loss of moral values that was guaranteed to follow that rejection.
The political left have a lot to answer for.

 

[Sunni Man]

hey Sunni Man , you mention abortion . What is the muslim religious position on abortion ??

Abortion for convenience sake is forbidden.

But is allowed if the woman's life is medically endangered by the pregnancy.

Or if the pregnancy was the result of rape.

 

[Sunni Man]

One has to separate the vision that western media gives of muslim women. They are not weak willed.

They are strong. They rule the roost. The lines are clearly defined in the household and in their lives with their husbands.

I think my heroines of women in Islam are the Queen of Jordan and of course Zahra Kazemi. This woman was strong. If I could be only half of what she brought to the world I would be blessed.

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Hush now!! ........you are giving away our secrets. ..

Obviously many have not seen Little Mosque on the Prairie. Jihad on Ice is still my fave. Written by a woman who is of faith.

It really is my favorite.

All of the episodes of the "Little Mosque on the Prairie" can be found on Youtube.

It's a great show.......too bad it wasn't shown on American TV.

 

[Mojo2]

Because if they don't comply, they either get lit on fire or stoned to death.

It's a very primitive, barbaric culture.

If you're correct, please explain why Kartini day is a national holiday in Indonesia.
Indonesia, the country with more Muslims than any other place on earth, has a national hero, Kartini, who pioneered education and equal opportunities for women.
There is a national holiday named after her, and schools are encouraged to make a big deal out of it.
Indonesia had a Muslim woman president and many women occupy top posts in both government and industry.
What was that about Muslims oppressing women?

If fact you mean, some Muslims do, exactly as some Americans do, some Jews do, some Russians do and so on.

No one is focusing on Indonesia.

The onus is on how come Muslims still follow the religion which still advocates the inequality of women and hasn't yet outlawed slavery!

 

[Sunni Man]

The onus is on how come Muslims still follow the religion which still advocates the inequality of women and hasn't yet outlawed slavery!

In Islam both men and women are equal in the religion and when they die receive the same reward.

But their roles while alive on the earth are different.

A man is the head of the family and the woman has different duties as a wife and mother.

 

[Sherry]

In some ways their culture is similar to how it was in the US 100 years ago...look how long women had to struggle for so many rights, such as owning property and voting. It took a long time to turn the tide, but at least those women only had to worry about being publicly shamed for asserting themselves, and not stoned to death. Most mothers will not choose to orphan their children.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Hmmm. I wonder what Muslim Women think of Western Feminists like Madonna and Mylie Virus?

 

[Sunni Man]

 

[Sherry]

I agree that every culture has their own unique perspective...but which culture allows for a woman to make simple choices without fearing the reactions of men??

 

[Sunni Man]

I agree that every culture has their own unique perspective...but which culture allows for a woman to make simple choices without fearing the reactions of men??

A woman is the victim of domestic violence here in America every minute of every day 24/7/365.

So I don't think people here need to be worrying about other cultures and countries.

When DV is rampant here in the U.S ..

 

[Sherry]

I agree that every culture has their own unique perspective...but which culture allows for a woman to make simple choices without fearing the reactions of men??

A woman is the victim of domestic violence here in America every minute of every day 24/7/365.

So I don't think people here need to be worrying about other cultures and countries.

When DV is rampant here in the U.S ..

I'm disappointed in your deflection.

 

[Mojo2]

The onus is on how come Muslims still follow the religion which still advocates the inequality of women and hasn't yet outlawed slavery!

In Islam both men and women are equal in the religion and when they die receive the same reward.

But their roles while alive on the earth are different.

A man is the head of the family and the woman has different duties as a wife and mother.

This fact of Muslim culture reminds me of how some looney Libs mistakenly consider the American Rightwing as being just as odious as Islamism.

But why do those same Libs suck Muslim ass?

 

[tinydancer]

Because if they don't comply, they either get lit on fire or stoned to death.

It's a very primitive, barbaric culture.

And they want to use heart-breaking stories of woe and images of suffering to get us to open our hearts and allow thousands and thousands of Muslims to come here.

Set a limit of how many Muslims we can afford and then stick to that limit.

No more than 1% change from what it currently is.

Because if they don't comply, they either get lit on fire or stoned to death.

It's a very primitive, barbaric culture.

And they want to use heart-breaking stories of woe and images of suffering to get us to open our hearts and allow thousands and thousands of Muslims to come here.

Set a limit of how many Muslims we can afford and then stick to that limit.

No more than 1% change from what it currently is.

One has to separate the vision that western media gives of muslim women. They are not weak willed.

They are strong. They rule the roost. The lines are clearly defined in the household and in their lives with their husbands.

I think my heroines of women in Islam are the Queen of Jordan and of course Zahra Kazemi. This woman was strong. If I could be only half of what she brought to the world I would be blessed.

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Hush now!! ........you are giving away our secrets. ..

Obviously many have not seen Little Mosque on the Prairie. Jihad on Ice is still my fave. Written by a woman who is of faith.

It really is my favorite.

All of the episodes of the "Little Mosque on the Prairie" can be found on Youtube.

It's a great show.......too bad it wasn't shown on American TV.

 

[TheOldSchool]

This fact of Muslim culture reminds me of how some looney Libs mistakenly consider the American Rightwing as being just as odious as Islamism.

But why do those same Libs suck Muslim ass?

Their countries in the middle east are backwards and their zealots are extremely dangerous.

That doesn't mean we should blow them up and disregard the lives of their innocent as many conservatives would like

 

[Mojo2]

This fact of Muslim culture reminds me of how some looney Libs mistakenly consider the American Rightwing as being just as odious as Islamism.

But why do those same Libs suck Muslim ass?

Their countries in the middle east are backwards and their zealots are extremely dangerous.

That doesn't mean we should blow them up and disregard the lives of their innocent as many conservatives would like

The key to their strategy might be to increase the numbers of Muslims living in America so they can take advantage of our laws and rules and demand representation by one of their own. Muslim elected representatives and officials.

Then Muslim-centric laws and courts and members of the Police forces and then parts of town where only Muslims can live or visit. Then, separate but equal legal jurisdictions in America, one for non-muslims and another for Muslims.

No one is talking about blowing them up.

But we can't save them all. And by bringing more than a handful in we will be begging them to bring their UNIQUELY Islamic sensibilities and customs and problems with them for US to have to deal with.

I don't like the Muslim's extra baggage. i don't want to have to deal with it in any way.

America has enough problems without taking on and being saddled with Muslim crap!

They are racists.

They are not taking advantage of the freedom they enjoy in America to openly criticize the Jihadists so they might take back their religion from the Jihadists who are supposedly not following the REAL Islam.

Islam, with its Koran, serves as a never ending summons to followers to conquer the entire world for Allah and Islam. And it is acknowledged that no matter what we do, about 25% of all Muslims, will act on this siren call to create a global caliphate by any means necessary.

At present that means appx 300,000,000 or the population of the USA considers themselves radical Muslims.

More than enough to conquer America and along the way make this land a dystopian, nightmarish hell on earth.

Anyway, Brigitte Gabriel says moderate Muslims are merely irrelevant.

Just like WWII German civilians were irrelevant to Hitler's reign of death, destruction and evil.

 

[Mojo2]

Gender equality is a secular idea that has proven to be a failure in the western nations.

It gave rise to Feminism.......which lead to abortion on demand, rampant lesbianism, 50+% of children born to single mothers, rapid increase of STD's among women, increased female prison population, etc.

The first is very much true, but it wasn't gender equality alone that caused the problems you list.
Most of it was down to the rejection of religion, Christianity in most western cases, and the loss of moral values that was guaranteed to follow that rejection.
The political left have a lot to answer for.

I liked your post because you said something I believe is true.

Should I have given you a check mark because I agree with your statement? Or is it better for you to be liked?

 

[TheOldSchool]

The key to their strategy might be to increase the numbers of Muslims living in America so they can take advantage of our laws and rules and demand representation by one of their own. Muslim elected representatives and officials.

Then Muslim-centric laws and courts and members of the Police forces and then parts of town where only Muslims can live or visit. Then, separate but equal legal jurisdictions in America, one for non-muslims and another for Muslims.

No one is talking about blowing them up.

But we can't save them all. And by bringing more than a handful in we will be begging them to bring their UNIQUELY Islamic sensibilities and customs and problems with them for US to have to deal with.

I don't like the Muslim's extra baggage. i don't want to have to deal with it in any way.

America has enough problems without taking on and being saddled with Muslim crap!

They are racists.

They are not taking advantage of the freedom they enjoy in America to openly criticize the Jihadists so they might take back their religion from the Jihadists who are supposedly not following the REAL Islam.

Islam, with its Koran, serves as a never ending summons to followers to conquer the entire world for Allah and Islam. And it is acknowledged that no matter what we do, about 25% of all Muslims, will act on this siren call to create a global caliphate by any means necessary.

At present that means appx 300,000,000 or the population of the USA considers themselves radical Muslims.

More than enough to conquer America and along the way make this land a dystopian, nightmarish hell on earth.

Anyway, Brigitte Gabriel says moderate Muslims are merely irrelevant.

Just like WWII German civilians were irrelevant to Hitler's reign of death, destruction and evil.

That's what they said about the germans, italians, irishmen, chinese, etc. etc. etc.

American and the constitution > than the bullshit of 1st generation immigrants

 

[Mojo2]

The key to their strategy might be to increase the numbers of Muslims living in America so they can take advantage of our laws and rules and demand representation by one of their own. Muslim elected representatives and officials.

Then Muslim-centric laws and courts and members of the Police forces and then parts of town where only Muslims can live or visit. Then, separate but equal legal jurisdictions in America, one for non-muslims and another for Muslims.

No one is talking about blowing them up.

But we can't save them all. And by bringing more than a handful in we will be begging them to bring their UNIQUELY Islamic sensibilities and customs and problems with them for US to have to deal with.

I don't like the Muslim's extra baggage. i don't want to have to deal with it in any way.

America has enough problems without taking on and being saddled with Muslim crap!

They are racists.

They are not taking advantage of the freedom they enjoy in America to openly criticize the Jihadists so they might take back their religion from the Jihadists who are supposedly not following the REAL Islam.

Islam, with its Koran, serves as a never ending summons to followers to conquer the entire world for Allah and Islam. And it is acknowledged that no matter what we do, about 25% of all Muslims, will act on this siren call to create a global caliphate by any means necessary.

At present that means appx 300,000,000 or the population of the USA considers themselves radical Muslims.

More than enough to conquer America and along the way make this land a dystopian, nightmarish hell on earth.

Anyway, Brigitte Gabriel says moderate Muslims are merely irrelevant.

Just like WWII German civilians were irrelevant to Hitler's reign of death, destruction and evil.

That's what they said about the germans, italians, irishmen, chinese, etc. etc. etc.

American and the constitution > than the bullshit of 1st generation immigrants

Uh, your response suggests to me you failed to watch the video.

I think it is different than what you think it is.

You will have more ammo to use in future threads if you'll watch it.

 

[Indofred]

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No one is focusing on Indonesia.

The onus is on how come Muslims still follow the religion which still advocates the inequality of women and hasn't yet outlawed slavery!

Of course not.
They can't because more Muslims live here than in any other country, but there is equality of the sexes as much as in any western country.
That ruins their daft stereotype of how "Muslims" treat women badly.

As for slavery, I'm unsure it's legal in any Muslim country, I'm bloody sure it's illegal here.

 

[Indofred]

Gender equality is a secular idea that has proven to be a failure in the western nations.

It gave rise to Feminism.......which lead to abortion on demand, rampant lesbianism, 50+% of children born to single mothers, rapid increase of STD's among women, increased female prison population, etc.

The first is very much true, but it wasn't gender equality alone that caused the problems you list.
Most of it was down to the rejection of religion, Christianity in most western cases, and the loss of moral values that was guaranteed to follow that rejection.
The political left have a lot to answer for.

I liked your post because you said something I believe is true.

Should I have given you a check mark because I agree with your statement? Or is it better for you to be liked?

Neither of of any matter.
I post because that's what I believe to be the case, not because I want to be liked.
That applies in any and every thread I post in.
I post against Israel's murder, as I post against IS and their stupidity.
I have little interest who likes it, more putting my point of view over.

But thanks for the thought.