How American gun deaths and gun laws compare to Canada's

[Harry Dresden]

The concept here is that Canada treats gun ownership as a privilage, not a right. So instead of proving why you shouldn't have a gun, you have to prove why you should.

which actually makes a lot more sense.

So instead of proving why you shouldn't have a gun, you have to prove why you should.
would that include the gang people and other law breakers?....

 

[JoeB131]

Good luck devising a defensible means for comparing the two, which takes into account the diverse factors attributable to the two...

Canada lacks the large Black minority populations which have taken-over their inner cities within Living Memory and which do not mix well with their Whites.

They also lack the White Flight of Living Memory by which their White populations abandoned their cities for the suburbs, in order to avoid living in close priximity to their Blacks.

They also lack 50-60 years of inner urban degeneration by which their once-sturdy and beautiful neighborhoods have been turned into ghettos and shit-holes by their Blacks.

They also lack an ancient history of Black enslavement which gave their Blacks a permanent and un-fixable Inferiority Complex and Sense of Entitlement that stunted their growth.

They also lack shared land borders with Mexico by which fresh waves of mostly ignorant and dead-broke Latinos swarm over their borders, reinforcing old White Flight behaviors.

They also lack the new-era Gang Wars by which Latinos begin to dominate the inner cities as their numbers grow to equal and exceed the old and more stagnant Black population.

Until one factors these things - and others not yet conjured here - into the equation, any comparison between the two is more of a pointless circle-jerk than it is science.

Your screaming Racism aside, you've obviously never visited Winnipeg, which is a typical rust belt city of Urban Decay.

But they don't have the gun violence we have....

 

[initforme]

Canadians are just smarter. They know if you point a gun a pull the trigger without thinking, bad things can happen.

 

[JoeB131]

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how many of that 8800 are gang related?.....i bet more than half....

You'd be wrong.

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• The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

SHort version. The vast majority of homicides in this country are NOT Gang-related.

They are usually domestic, facilitiated by the fact we have too many guns in too many households.

 

[JoeB131]

Canada doesn't have the Second Amendment, the United States does. Suck on that one loons

YOu're right. The Canadians did not have a bunch of sissies in powdered wigs who shit in chamberpots and couldn't write a clear Militia AMendment.

That's a TOTALLY good reason why we should tolerate crazy people with machine guns mowing down our kids.

 

[2aguy]

And they don't have a gun lobby like the NRA pimping for the gun industry

“When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population)"



According to a StatsCan report from 2012 – the most recent year available – the U.S. suffered a total of 8,813 murders involving the use of firearms that year. Canada, in the same year, recorded just 172 firearms-related homicides.

How American gun deaths and gun laws compare to Canada's

Sorry...gun laws have nothing to do with it ....criminal culture does...our criminals shoot each other more often than Canadian criminals shoot each other......and gun crime in Canada is going up, not down.....despite their gun control laws....

 

[2aguy]

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how many of that 8800 are gang related?.....i bet more than half....

You'd be wrong.

Request Rejected

• The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

SHort version. The vast majority of homicides in this country are NOT Gang-related.

They are usually domestic, facilitiated by the fact we have too many guns in too many households.

Nope.....gang membership only comes out in crimes directly related to gang work......if a gang member shoots a guy at a party over a dice game they don't include that in gang crime.......

 

[2aguy]

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how many of that 8800 are gang related?.....i bet more than half....

You'd be wrong.

Request Rejected

• The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

SHort version. The vast majority of homicides in this country are NOT Gang-related.

They are usually domestic, facilitiated by the fact we have too many guns in too many households.

this is the truth about American gun crime.....criminals shooting criminals...just like in europe, Australia and Japan...and Canada.......but our criminals shoot each other more often...

Houston.....most shooters criminals

Houston murder rate skyrockets in early 2015

McClelland said the majority of murders in the city are committed by people with criminal records against people with criminal records.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/us/cdc-gun-violence-wilmington.html?_r=0



When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.

They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,”


the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.

Nearly half of NYC's shootings gang-related

Of the more than 300 homicides so far this year in New York City, almost half of those – 40 percent – were determined to be gang-related, with 49 percent of the city’s nearly 1,100 shootings tied to gangs as well.

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Data obtained by the Daily News from the NYPD’s Gang and Juvenile Justice divisions indicate that gang members may be as young as 10 years old, with most members in their teens and early twenties. Those who survive the lifestyle long enough often have extensive criminal records by their 30s.



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---From an article on Operation Ceasefire...it cites the number of criminals in Oakland California who actually shoot people and who get shot, and there criminal backgrounds...

Beyond Gun Control
Lost in the debate is that even in high-crime cities, the risk of gun violence is mostly concentrated among a small number of men.

In Oakland, for instance, crime experts working with the police department a few years ago found that about 1,000 active members of a few dozen street groups drove most homicides. That’s .3 percent of Oakland’s population.

And even within this subgroup, risk fluctuated according to feuds and other beefs. In practical terms, the experts found that over a given stretch of several months only about 50 to 100 men are at the highest risk of shooting someone or getting shot.

Most of these men have criminal records. But it’s not drug deals or turf wars that drives most of the shootings.

Instead, the violence often starts with what seems to outsiders like trivial stuff—“a fight over a girlfriend, a couple of words, a dispute over a dice game,” said Vaughn Crandall, a senior strategist at the California Partnership for Safe Communities, which did the homicide analysis for Oakland.

Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record

A review of murder statistics across America shows that in many large cities, up to 90 percent of the victims have criminal records.
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The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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In early 2012, after pressure put on the police by murder victims’ families in New Orleans, the police department stopped revealing whether or not the murder victim had a prior record.

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Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.

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A WND review of the Philadelphia Police Department Murder and Shooting Analysis for 2011 shows a similar pattern to that of other large cities in America – a majority of the murder victims have prior records.



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In Philadelphia in 2011, of 324 murders, 81 percent (263) of the victims had at least one prior arrest; 62 percent (164) had been arrested for a violent crime prior to their murder.

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In Newark, N.J., long considered one of America’s most dangerous cities, 85 percent of the 165 murder victims between 2009 and 2010 had serious arrest histories.

Anthony Braga, a professor with the Rutgers-Newark School of Criminal Justice, told the Newark Star-Ledger that 85 percent of 165 murder victims in Newark between 2009 and 2010 had been arrested at least once before they were killed.

Those victims, he said, had, on average, 10 prior arrests on their criminal records.

A WND review of the Chicago Police Department Murder Analysis reports from 2003 to 2011 provides a statistical breakdown of the demographics of both the victims and offenders in the 4,265 murders in Chicago over that time period.

Of the victims of murder in Chicago from 2003 to 2011, an average of 77 percent had a prior arrest history, with a high of 79 percent of the 436 murdered in Chicago in 2010 having arrest histories.



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Public Health Pot Shots

this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...


These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them. Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available. Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.



Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.

Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence. In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.

Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments.

Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.



According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."

A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.



Gangs in Fort Meyers Florida...



NBC2 Investigates: Gangs in Southwest Florida



The City of Fort Myers has been plagued with violence and murder. NBC2 Investigator Dave Elias dug deeper and found that drugs, crime and gangs are the common elements between those killings.

Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott says the three go hand-in-hand and all appear to be playing a big role in the city's crime problem.

"They're punks. They're criminals. And in most cases – cowards," said Sheriff Scott.

He also explained that gang members live by a much different set of rules.

"We're at a more violent time right now than at any time I recall," said Sheriff Scott. "You're talking about an area that - per capita - is on par with Detroit Michigan, in terms of homicides."

There were 25 murders in Fort Myers alone last year. And Sheriff Scott says all of the killings have those three things in common – drugs, crime and gangs.

"In most every case this is criminal killing criminal. This is bad guy on bad guy," he said.



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The Kate and Mauser study.......



http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS
One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40
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III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62


Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64



These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65


“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.

”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69
A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed

 

[2aguy]

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how many of that 8800 are gang related?.....i bet more than half....

You'd be wrong.

Request Rejected

• The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

SHort version. The vast majority of homicides in this country are NOT Gang-related.

They are usually domestic, facilitiated by the fact we have too many guns in too many households.

Wrong....most shooters have criminal records and killing you brother over tennis shoes though not gang related does not mean that both brothers were not in gangs.....

Dittos murdering your girlfriend....a gang member is not listed as a gang member when he shoots his girlfriend....

Twit.

 

[2aguy]

The concept here is that Canada treats gun ownership as a privilage, not a right. So instead of proving why you shouldn't have a gun, you have to prove why you should.

which actually makes a lot more sense.

So instead of proving why you shouldn't have a gun, you have to prove why you should.
would that include the gang people and other law breakers?....

So instead of proving why you shouldn't have a gun, you have to prove why you should.

And that is exactly how the Germans in the 1930s felt about guns........Jews just couldn't prove they needed guns.......even as they were pushed into the gas chambers.....dittos the political opponents of the socialists...they just could not show a need for guns....as they were executed by the police and military...

Funny how that works.....isn't it....

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...and some truth about Canada and guns...

MacDonald George murder weapon tells story of guns in city

Twenty-one years later, Toronto drug dealer Shamsa Noor used that same semi-automatic pistol to shoot MacDonald George five times in ten seconds on a downtown street in Saskatoon.

George had come to Saskatoon to work at a flour mill. He was at a downtown club for its reggae night and was killed trying to break up a fight on the street in front of the club. Police described him as an innocent victim.

Police recovered the pistol in a car used by Noor to try and escape. He eventually pleaded guilty to manslaughter. He never did say where the gun came from.

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Guns and drugs
Sgt. Ken Kane has spent the last 13 years as a member of the police emergency response team. He's watched the growth of gun violence in the city up close.

He said the history of the handgun in the George case is typical of what's happening in the drug scene.


"They're more concealable and I guess sort of are part of their defence package.""When we're dealing with some of the drug dealers, especially out of town crews, we're finding they have a preference for handguns," Kane said.

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Shooting deaths, injuries up over 58 per cent so far in 2015

The concern over rising gun violence in Toronto is again making headlines following a mass shooting at an OVO Fest after-party.

Two people were killed and three others were injured in the overnight shooting that began inside a packed Toronto nightclub.

Following the shooting, Deputy Police Chief Peter Sloly confirmed there has been an “uptick” in shootings throughout 2015.

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The statistics

The latest year-to-date police statistics show that shooting injuries and deaths in Toronto are up over 58 per cent so far this year, when compared to 2014.

As of Aug. 4, 95 people have been killed or injured in shootings this year, up from 60 in July 2014. Of those 95 victims, 12 were killed and 83 were injured.


The number of shooting occurrences (when someone is shot or shot at) in 2015 is also much higher than in 2014. There have been 147 shooting occurrences so far this year, compared to 106 at this time in 2014.

Police say the number of victims who were shot or shot at in 2015 is up an alarming 84 per cent compared to 2014. So far in 2015, there have been 244 shooting victims. By July of 2014, there were 132.


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Toronto Police Service :: To Serve and Protect

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Toronto's gun crime stats have spiked



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[2aguy]

More on guns in Canada....

Police can't explain increase in shootings in Toronto

The two shootings come as Toronto is experiencing a year of increased gun violence, up 35 per cent from last year. The number of victims has also increased, up by 80 per cent over last August, according to police statistics.

Deputy Chief Peter Sloly can't say why there have been so many shootings this year, adding that he's noticed an uptick in gun violence across the country.

"It's a concerning trend we're seeing this year," Sloly told CBC News. "We've put extra resources on the street, we've got extra intelligence coming in, we have extra support from our communities."

But Mayor John Tory thinks he knows why the city is witnessing so much gun play.

"There's some level of gang activity involved," he said. "There is the illegal gun trade that continues to be a real problem especially when it comes to the Canada-U.S. border."


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Firearms: Making sense of Toronto’s cycle of violence

The number of people killed or injured by guns in Toronto so far this year is already higher than 2014, reversing a recent downward trend. But while gun violence appears to be going up in Ontario’s capital, criminologists say this apparent increase in gun violence doesn’t necessarily mean the city is becoming more dangerous.
This week alone, there have been seven shootings over a span of four days, two of them fatal, Toronto Police spokeswoman Caroline de Kloet said Friday.

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Mr. Pugash said the number of shooting events this year – 162, as of Aug. 20 – is now on par with the number on the same date in 2012, the year police previously noted a spike in gun violence.


Police don’t know the reasons behind this year’s increase, Mr. Pugash said, and it’s an issue that could be impacted by an “infinite number of factors.”

 

[2aguy]

And even more on gun crime in Canada...

Toronto's gun crime stats have spiked

TORONTO - Welcome to Toronto’s Summer of the Gun 2015.

It’s a headline neither Toronto Police nor city hall want to see.

There is no question statistics can be made to look a lot of different ways, but some statistics are just plain ugly.

Scary, actually.

For example, 36 more people have been shot so far this year in Toronto than at this point last year.

Toronto Police statistics show a 90% increase in people wounded by gunfire and a 48% increase in shootings (135 compared to 91).

And there have been 106 more shooting victims (those hit by gunfire, as well as those victimized by it).

In fact, the 227 shooting victims so far this year is 31 more than the total for all of 2014.

It’s true not all shooting victims have been hit by gunfire, but as Deputy Chief Peter Sloly points out, every gun shot, whether into the air or a tree, is one that could ricochet and strike an innocent victim like we saw in 2012 when a two-year-old was hit.

If you add the death and injury statistics, Toronto has seen 88 dead or wounded by gunfire in 2015 compared to 53 at this time last year. That’s a 66% increase.

It’s a big spike.

Shocking, horrifying numbers that seem to have just snuck up on us.

Many seem worried about the controversial carding issue, but these scary stats aren’t getting the same media attention. It doesn’t feel like a particularly violent summer, but the stats indicate otherwise.

 

[2aguy]

And more on Gun crime in Canada...notice a trend...

And more, with stories...



'Brazen criminals' behind spike in Toronto gun crime, says deputy chief



Another Canadian city with gun crime....



UPDATED: Why does Moncton have such high gun-crime rates?



Note: Updated with further analysis Sunday, June 8, 2014

The fatal, terrifying rampage of a shooter tearing through Moncton Wednesday and Thursday was rare.

But in this Maritime municipality gun crime, relatively speaking, is not.

Ownership isn’t unusually high: There were about 50 firearm licences per 1,000 in Moncton in 2010, on par with Fredericton (but higher than Halifax).

But Moncton has one of the highest rates of violent crime of any Canadian city.

And, along with Halifax, it boasted the highest rate of firearm-related violent crime among Canadian cities in 2012, according to Statistics Canada. That year, Moncton had a rate of 39 violent, firearm-related incidents per 100,000 people. And almost 80 per cent of victims involved in gun-related crime in Moncton that year were shot by handguns.





Violent crime comparison in Canada and u.s.



Hmmmm...interesting stat from the Washington post....

Gun violence in Canada is a lot more common than you think

There were 1,092 violent crimes committed per 100,000 Canadians last year, according to the agency. About half of those crimes were threats or assaults involving little or no physical harm. By comparison, the U.S. violent crime rate reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation was 387 per 100,000 people, a figure that excludes threats and simple assaults.

Canada....1,092 violent crimes per 100,000 people

U.S...........387 violent crimes per 100,000 people

Now they say that half of Canada's rate was just threats with little physical harm...so the Canadians just gave up the goods.....

So.....

Canada....546 actual violent crimes per 100,000 people

U.S. .........387 actual violent crimes per 100,000 people


Statistics Canada on gun crime...

 

[2aguy]

And finally...

The Daily — Firearms and violent crime in Canada, 2012



ON other canadian cities...




Saskatoon third among Canadian cities for violent gun crime in 2012

OTTAWA – A new report out Wednesday put Saskatoon near the top of the list in Canada when it came to police-reported violent gun crime in 2012.

Statistics Canada says there were 38 victims in the city per 100,000 population for firearm-related violent crimes.

Halifax was listed first and Moncton, N.B. second. Regina was listed in 11th with a 19.7 victims per 100,000.

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Saskatchewan also had the highest rate of youth accused of violent firearm crime at 82 per 100,000 youth. StatsCan classifies youth as those between the ages of 12 and 17.

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Drive by shootings in Saskatoon Canada 2015

Saskatoon police creating guns and gangs unit



Watch above: The number of shooting incidents and gang-related activities in the city is on the rise and the Saskatoon Police Service is firing back. Amber Rockliffe tells us though it could come at a considerable cost to taxpayers.

SASKATOON – After a surge in drive-by shootings, police chases, and drug activity, the Saskatoon Police Service is creating a new guns and gangs unit.

“I never ever thought in my career as a police officer in Saskatchewan that we’d ever be forming such a unit,” said police Chief Clive Weighill.

“We’re going to redeploy some other members within our criminal investigation division to augment the gangs and the guns so we have a substantial amount of officers to work on this,” he explained.

Weighill is not revealing how many officers will be a part of the new unit.



Weighill said the unit will tackle the unprecedented level of gang crime the city is experiencing, which he said is fueled by turf wars.

“We’re seeing people coming in from Vancouver, Toronto, with guns, who try to intimidate their way into the market here,” the chief explained.

READ MORE: Police chief worried Saskatoon crime rates may go up

He said Saskatoon has seen a steady increase in weapons and firearm charges over the past few years. According to police records, there were 323 charges in 2011.

That jumped up to 435 last year.

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Saskatoon police chief worried about crime about to go up...



Police chief worried Saskatoon crime rates may go up



“I think people have to be aware of what’s going on in the city,” he added. “We’ve got some serious gang activity happening, some serious drug things going on, we’re hoping we can get a handle on it like we did the last couple of years, but it really is an escalating problem for us.”

Over the weekend there was a shooting in Saskatoon, and last week there were two shootings. One man narrowly escaped death after a shotgun was fired through a door, wounding him.

READ MORE: Two Saskatoon shootings leave two injured, one from shotgun blast

“We’ve seen a marked increase (in gun violence) in this last while,” he said.



He said the increase in violence is stretching the police service to its limits. Earlier this year Weighill announced a re-deployment of officers to put more on the street.

“Our officers on patrol couldn’t keep up with the call load … it just seems like our service is being stretched in every direction right now,” he said, adding he’s pulling officers out of specialized units to try and meet the growing demand for front line police.

“To put more officers downtown, to put more officers on patrol, I’ve got to pull officers out of the schools, out of the gang unit, out of the drug unit … we’re having a pretty tough time in the service trying to figure out how do we put our resources, where do we go with our resources.”

Chief Weighill says staffing is one issue, but there are also bigger problems at work.

“We have a huge marginalized population, and the poverty , the poor housing, the racism and all that stuff that’s enticing people into gangs because they don’t feel like they belong in the mainstream of what’s happening here in Saskatoon, so it’s a big complex social issue we’re grappling with.”

 

[Kondor3]

...Your screaming Racism aside...

It is not 'racism' to accurately cite both history and the present state of affairs, although you can certainly TRY to silence an Inconvenient Truth with charges of Racism.

...you've obviously never visited Winnipeg, which is a typical rust belt city of Urban Decay...

Wake me up when you've conjured a proportionally equivalent collection of such sites, rather than simple-mindedly rattling off one.

...But they don't have the gun violence we have....

What was it our colleague said earlier... like comparing a Tree to a Pickup Truck?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Good luck devising a defensible means for comparing the two, which takes into account the diverse factors attributable to the two...

Canada lacks the large Black minority populations which have taken-over their inner cities within Living Memory and which do not mix well with their Whites.

They also lack the White Flight of Living Memory by which their White populations abandoned their cities for the suburbs, in order to avoid living in close priximity to their Blacks.

They also lack 50-60 years of inner urban degeneration by which their once-sturdy and beautiful neighborhoods have been turned into ghettos and shit-holes by their Blacks.

They also lack an ancient history of Black enslavement which gave their Blacks a permanent and un-fixable Inferiority Complex and Sense of Entitlement that stunted their growth.

They also lack shared land borders with Mexico by which fresh waves of mostly ignorant and dead-broke Latinos swarm over their borders, reinforcing old White Flight behaviors.

They also lack the new-era Gang Wars by which Latinos begin to dominate the inner cities as their numbers grow to equal and exceed the old and more stagnant Black population.

Until one factors these things - and others not yet conjured here - into the equation, any comparison between the two is more of a pointless circle-jerk than it is science.

Yes, there are differences between the US and Canada. The main difference being that in the US politicians don't try and improve the country for the common man, they try and make the rich richer.

Inner city degeneration is as a result of politicians not bothering with dealing with social issues properly. The white flight is as a result of this inner city degeneration. And nothing is being done now and nothing will be done in the future, because the people with the money control the politicians and they spend so much money telling people like you what to think, so you don't realize what needs to be done in order to deal with the situation. They just have you harping on about how you can't take guns away and it's all the fault of black people, and you can't solve this, so don't bother, just make sure rich people are getting lots of money.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[namvet]

And they don't have a gun lobby like the NRA pimping for the gun industry

“When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population)"



According to a StatsCan report from 2012 – the most recent year available – the U.S. suffered a total of 8,813 murders involving the use of firearms that year. Canada, in the same year, recorded just 172 firearms-related homicides.

How American gun deaths and gun laws compare to Canada's

nothing here move along

 

[Kondor3]

...Inner city degeneration is as a result of politicians not bothering with dealing with social issues properly...

There is no way that a mere politician can make White Folk want to live alongside Black Folk, as a general rule; not in the 1940s and 1950s, and not now.

...The white flight is as a result of this inner city degeneration...

Nope. Most of the White Flight took place during the Great Immigration of the period 1920-1970, with the lion's share being in the 1940s and 1950s and 1960s.

Most of those neighborhoods were still in decent shape when the White Folk bailed out.

Left to rot under Black control for most of the last 50 or 60 or 70 years, there's not much left now worth saving.

...And nothing is being done now and nothing will be done in the future, because the people with the money control the politicians and they spend so much money telling people like you what to think, so you don't realize what needs to be done in order to deal with the situation. ..

Yer a funny little feller.

Nothing was done then, nothing is being done now, and nothing is going to be done in future, because White Folk just don't want to live next to Black Folk.

Also, White Folk don't appreciate throwing good money after bad, and they've thrown a lot of money into those inner-city Black Holes with very little worthwhile coming from it.

Nobody needs to tell White Folk not to want to live next to Black Folk... they usually arrive at that conclusion all by themselves... with little or no prodding.

...They just have you harping on about how you can't take guns away and it's all the fault of black people, and you can't solve this, so don't bother, just make sure rich people are getting lots of money.

The Kiddie Table is down the hall, second door on your Left.