How am I a fascist?

[TemplarKormac]

You were triggered by the word liberal and shut down after that.

Lenin and Marx were not fascists.

Because anyone who uses the word likely is.

"Unlike liberal thought" smacks of a smarminess I can't even begin to describe in words. It reeks of a condescending tone. It kills any objective tone the author was trying to achieve.

Lenin and Marx most certainly were fascists. They did almost everything your author asserts, if we are to go by his skewed definition of fascism.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You should have actually attacked their views then.

I did.

That "ad hominem" quip was your response.

 

[Marener]

Because anyone who uses the word likely is.

"Unlike liberal thought" smacks of a smarminess I can't even begin to describe in words. It reeks of a condescending tone. It kills any objective tone the author was trying to achieve.

Lenin and Marx most certainly were fascists. They did almost everything your author asserts, if we are to go by his skewed definition of fascism.

Oh, he hurt your feelings. Sorry. Doesn’t make him wrong.

Marx and Lenin were not fascist. Although they might have checked some boxes, they were clearly totally opposed to the “natural hierarchy” that you just mentioned, for example.

 

[Marener]

I did.

That "ad hominem" quip was your response.

No, you copy pasted a point and used that to declare the author biased.

Without any explanation whatsoever.

 

[Votto]

Oh, he hurt your feelings. Sorry. Doesn’t make him wrong.

Marx and Lenin were not fascist. Although they might have checked some boxes, they were clearly totally opposed to the “natural hierarchy” that you just mentioned, for example.

The reason so many despots over the years have been attracted to Marxism over the years is not to check all the boxes of being a socialists as they inevitably miss a few. No, they are drawn to socialism because in order to give it half a chance of working you must have complete control over society as they monitor every financial transaction and later redistribute it they way they see fit as being socially just.

That is why every despot will be attracted to it in the future.

Centralized oppression is what collectivists like yourself are all about while you mumble about "natural hierarchy" nonsense.

 

[BackAgain]

That would be your bloviating dear leader.

No no. It’s you. I don’t have a dear leader. That’s just another one of your stupid propaganda memes.

You’re. A dopey ineffectual troll.

 

[Marener]

The reason so many despots over the years have been attracted to Marxism over the years is not to check all the boxes of being a socialists as they inevitably miss a few. No, they are drawn to socialism because in order to give it half a chance of working you must have complete control over society as they monitor every financial transaction and later redistribute it they way they see fit as being socially just.

That is why every despot will be attracted to it in the future.

Centralized oppression is what collectivists like yourself are all about while you mumble about "natural hierarchy" nonsense.

Not sure what you mean by “collectivists” but any authoritarian uses oppression to maintain their authority.

Socialists and fascists are diametrically opposed in their concepts of hesitancy and what the state is supposed to value most.

Fascists are very traditional. They harken back to historical idealism. Socialists attempted to destroy tradition, such as the cultural revolution.

There are very clear and important differences.

 

[Votto]

Not sure what you mean by “collectivists” but any authoritarian uses oppression to maintain their authority.

Socialists and fascists are diametrically opposed in their concepts of hesitancy and what the state is supposed to value most.

Fascists are very traditional. They harken back to historical idealism. Socialists attempted to destroy tradition, such as the cultural revolution.

There are very clear and important differences.

Ok, so Stalin attempted to destroy tradition as Hitler sought to preserve it?

Meanwhile, both men were collectivist dictators that murdered hundreds of millions, with Stalin murdering far more than Hitler.

Yay!

Yea, no one cares if the mass murderer is a traditionalist.



So, when I say collectivist, I mean people who centralize power to one person or one group of people. This is progressivism.

Power has been taken over the years from the states so that now the President dictates to everyone how their children will be educated or what doctor they will see now, or what kind of light bulb they should be using, along with his army of bureaucrats within the Executive Branch, all power that Congress surrendered to them.

That's right everyone, Progressives have given all power to one sitting President and an army of unelected bureaucrats, something the founders would be appalled at. After all, power corrupts so it stands to reason the more power one person or group of people are given the more corrupt they become, which is now what we see in the Swamp.

What should happen is blue and red states should be allowed to run their own affairs instead of half the country wanting to secede every Presidential cycle.

The funny thing is, Trump is being told by unelected judges that he has no authority over his own army of unelected bureaucrats, even though he is atop the Executive Branch that they reside in.

Simply amazing.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

I get so tired of people who throw terms around without even thinking about those terms

They are truly lemmings without much brain function whatsoever.

Name calling without cause is called slander.

As Chris Plante says
they use the words
but they don't know the meaning.


According to their logic,

We are they.

With such a nonsensical stance,
There is no difference between Cuba North Korea or the United States of America.

I think this reflects their intellect and desire to search out the proper sources and information.

Trump is Hitler they really
fall asleep
at night thinking that

This is the essence of a cult.

That &
Going along with torching cities,
Looting killing
Their own neighbors.

instead
of articulating
in a common
Peaceful way.

 

[Marener]

Ok, so Stalin attempted to destroy tradition as Hitler sought to preserve it?

Meanwhile, both men were collectivist dictators that murdered hundreds of millions, with Stalin murdering far more than Hitler.

Yay!

Yea, no one cares if the mass murderer is a traditionalist.



So, when I say collectivist, I mean people who centralize power to one person or one group of people. This is progressivism.

Power has been taken over the years from the states so that now the President dictates to everyone how their children will be educated or what doctor they will see now, or what kind of light bulb they should be using, along with his army of bureaucrats within the Executive Branch, all power that Congress surrendered to them.

That's right everyone, Progressives have given all power to one sitting President and an army of unelected bureaucrats, something the founders would be appalled at.

What should happen is blue and red states should be allowed to run their own affairs instead of half the country wanting to secede every Presidential cycle.

The funny thing is, Trump is being told that he has no authority over his own army of unelected bureaucrats, even though he is atop the Executive Branch that they reside in.

Simply amazing.

That’s not collectivism at all! Putting all the power in one person is authoritarianism. Collectivism just means putting the priority on the group rather than individuals in the group.

I sure don’t see Republicans in Congress trying to take back power from the president. Trump is using executive power more widely and aggressively than we’ve ever seen before. Congress is a joke.

 

[Missourian]

Any attempted discussion of this would be absolutely pointless, because there would be no agreement on the definition of the word. It would just be noise.

Translation: We've screamed racist, homophobe, transphobe, misogynist, Islamaphobe and Nazi so often that they are completely meaningless now, so we're trying something new and praying to Satan it works better, as this is all we have now as a party platform, even though our party hasn't had a free and fair presidential primary election since 2008.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Look up the tenents of fascism OP

Stop being an idiot.

Follow your own advice MORON

NO ONE here matches those tenents you dishonest lying coward

 

[Mac1958]

Translation: We've screamed racist, homophobe, transphobe, misogynist, Islamaphobe and Nazi so often that they are completely meaningless now, so we're trying something new and praying to Satan it works better, as this is all we have now as a party platform, even though our party hasn't had a free and fair presidential primary election since 2008.

I guess you don't have a definition of "fascist" to share with us.

That's okay. Neither does the OP, it appears.

 

[22lcidw]

Oh, he hurt your feelings. Sorry. Doesn’t make him wrong.

Marx and Lenin were not fascist. Although they might have checked some boxes, they were clearly totally opposed to the “natural hierarchy” that you just mentioned, for example.

It does not matter. They promoted a form of government that turns monstrous and repressive. There is no play in their constitutions unless a new one is written up.

 

[Missourian]

I guess you don't have a definition of "fascist" to share with us.

That's okay. Neither does the OP, it appears.

The definition is whatever the Democrats it need it to be, because that's all they've got.

What it will never be is not having a free and fair presidential primary election since 2008.

Let's count 'em down...

2008 Barrack Obama stunned the powers that be in the Democrat hierarchy by upsetting their overwhelming favorite, Hilary Clinton. (They had to FIX that shit in the next primary, literally).

2012 no primary, Obama incumbency.

2016 Democrats rig primary against Bernie Sanders. Hilary wins, loses to Trump.

2020 Democrats rig primary by bribing Klobuchar and Buttigeig to drop out, then rig the general election via mail in ballots.

2024 Despite significant evidence of Biden's mental decline, the DNC cancels primaries and undermines primary candidates like RFK.

2024 Biden is forced to drop out and , without any primary process, Harris is installed as candidate, and proceeds to lose both the Electoral College (what counts) and the Popular Vote (doesn't count for anything, by daaaaaamn).

 

[Mac1958]

The definition is whatever the Democrats it need it to be, because that's all they've got.

What it will never be is not having a free and fair presidential primary election since 2008.

Let's count 'em down...

2008 Barrack Obama stunned the powers that be in the Democrat hierarchy by upsetting their overwhelming favorite, Hilary Clinton. (They had to FIX that shit in the next primary, literally).

2012 no primary, Obama incumbency.

2016 Democrats rig primary against Bernie Sanders. Hilary wins, loses to Trump.

2020 Democrats rig primary by bribing Klobuchar and Buttigeig to drop out, then rig the general election via mail in ballots.

2024 Despite significant evidence of Biden's mental decline, the DNC cancels primaries and undermines primary candidates like RFK.

2024 Biden is forced to drop out and , without any primary process, Harris is installed as candidate, and proceeds to lose both the Electoral College (what counts) and the Popular Vote (doesn't count for anything, by daaaaaamn).

You don't even know what a "definition" is.

This doesn't surprise me.

 

[Votto]

That’s not collectivism at all! Putting all the power in one person is authoritarianism. Collectivism just means putting the priority on the group rather than individuals in the group.

I sure don’t see Republicans in Congress trying to take back power from the president. Trump is using executive power more widely and aggressively than we’ve ever seen before. Congress is a joke.

And that we can agree on. Congress is a joke. They have given a great deal of their power to the Executive Branch so that an army of unelected bureaucrats can basically write laws via regulations as they see fit, and no one know who they are or what regulations they are writing. It really was the end of democracy in America.

The bureaucratic state has such unmatched power that Trump, who is a democratically elected official, cannot even do away with one of the departments he is in charge of, namely the Department of Education.

Meanwhile, the Left says Trump is Hitler?

 

[dblack]

Any attempted discussion of this would be absolutely pointless, because there would be no agreement on the definition of the word. It would just be noise.

That's how you evade criticism these days. It's all the rage!

 

[Mac1958]

That's how you evade criticism these days. It's all the rage!

Definitions tie them down too much. It makes them get serious and specific. Can't have that. So they just make their own.

But I already know the next step: Work from a dictionary definition, but deny that any part of the definition applies, no matter what.

Pointless.

 

[dblack]

Definitions tie them down too much. It makes them get serious and specific. Can't have that. So they just make their own.

For most partisan drones, "fascist" is just an insult word. Same with "commie, leftists, progressive, etc, etc ...". The meaning is irrelevant. And if you sit them down and say, "No, I'm serious. This is fascism. You're ticking off all the boxes. How far will you ride your crazy train?" - they just go blank and change the subject.