How about a "nuclear cool down"?

[Matted Joybeard]

Did you actually read the OP? Do you think it's reasonable to blow up deserts with Bombs just to avoid dealing with our climate mess and the politically powerful industry that caused it?

Nuke the oil companies from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[kyzr]

The temps aren't going to kill off anything.

Yes they will. Kids born today will get to see it happen. Droughts, crop failures, minimal rain, melting ice caps, rising sea levels, etc. Call it "Eco-Collapse".

Climate Change: Global Temperature Projections

It is virtually certain our world will continue to warm over this century and beyond. The exact amount of warming that will occur in the coming century depends largely on the energy choices that we make now and in the next few decades.

www.climate.gov

"The scenario represented by the red trend line (IPCC Scenario A2) assumes humans will continue to accelerate the rate at which we emit carbon dioxide. This is consistent with a global economy that continues to rely mainly on coal, oil, and natural gas to meet energy demands. In this scenario, our carbon emission increases steadily from today’s rate of about 9 billion tons per year to about 28 billion tons per year in 2100. The middle trend (green, IPCC Scenario A1b) assumes humans will roughly balance their use of fossil fuels with other, non-carbon emitting sources of energy."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes they will. Kids born today will get to see it happen. Droughts, crop failures, minimal rain, melting ice caps, rising sea levels, etc.

Minimal rain? What about all the floods?

 

[westwall]

Yes they will. Kids born today will get to see it happen. Droughts, crop failures, minimal rain, melting ice caps, rising sea levels, etc. Call it "Eco-Collapse".

Climate Change: Global Temperature Projections

It is virtually certain our world will continue to warm over this century and beyond. The exact amount of warming that will occur in the coming century depends largely on the energy choices that we make now and in the next few decades.

www.climate.gov

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"The scenario represented by the red trend line (IPCC Scenario A2) assumes humans will continue to accelerate the rate at which we emit carbon dioxide. This is consistent with a global economy that continues to rely mainly on coal, oil, and natural gas to meet energy demands. In this scenario, our carbon emission increases steadily from today’s rate of about 9 billion tons per year to about 28 billion tons per year in 2100. The middle trend (green, IPCC Scenario A1b) assumes humans will roughly balance their use of fossil fuels with other, non-carbon emitting sources of energy."

Pure, unadulterated horse poo. The planet has been much warmer in the past. And mankind thrived. In fact ALL life thrived.

This is historical fact. You rely on charlatans, and their computer derived fiction to support your religious beliefs.

There is just as much evidence for man made climate change, as there is for the existence of God.

Which means none.

 

[mamooth]

Lying about climate isn't cool for most conservatives any more. The trendy thing for them is to push lies about elections or law enforcement. Being a lying denier is seen by conservatives as an old-fogey thing, their parents' kind of lying.

That's why denialism has kind of died here. The cool fascists are screaming elsewhere. Only the ones who literally made denialism their religion are still trying to push dumb debunked denier lies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Lying about climate isn't cool for most conservatives any more. The trendy thing for them is to push lies about elections or law enforcement. Being a lying denier is seen by conservatives as an old-fogey thing, their parents' kind of lying.

That's why denialism has kind of died here. The cool fascists are screaming elsewhere. Only the ones who literally made denialism their religion are still trying to push dumb debunked denier lies.

$76 trillion!!!

 

[mamooth]

About the OP:

No, there are no "clean" nuclear bombs.

Even fine dust falls down quickly. It has an atmospheric lifetime of weeks, unless it's placed into the stratosphere, which ground-based nukes can't do.

There are proposals concerning stratospheric aerosol injection, but the proposed mechanism is usually aircraft flying in the stratosphere.

Stratospheric aerosol injection - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kyzr]

About the OP:
No, there are no "clean" nuclear bombs.
Even fine dust falls down quickly. It has an atmospheric lifetime of weeks, unless it's placed into the stratosphere, which ground-based nukes can't do.
There are proposals concerning stratospheric aerosol injection, but the proposed mechanism is usually aircraft flying in the stratosphere.

1. True, there are no clean nuclear bombs. That's the tradeoff. A few radioactive deserts for some dust in the the stratosphere. Is it worth a look?
2. How do you know ground based nukes can't place dust into the stratosphere? Link please. Otherwise the "nuclear winter" scenario is total bullshit.
3. If you actually do the math of how many tons of aerosol need to be placed into the stratosphere, its not practical yet. Even if it was practical you'd have a lot of acid rain.

 

[kyzr]

Pure, unadulterated horse poo. The planet has been much warmer in the past. And mankind thrived. In fact ALL life thrived.
This is historical fact. You rely on charlatans, and their computer derived fiction to support your religious beliefs.
There is just as much evidence for man made climate change, as there is for the existence of God.
Which means none.

1. Yes there were periods of extreme global heat and "Ice Ages". But there were no humans living at that time, especially about 4b humans all over the place. that need food and water. Current weather records start about 2500BC. Moses lived about 1500BC.

Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. to 2040 A.D.

Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C.

www.longrangeweather.com

2. Scientists can only warn us about what might happen. After heat comes cold...neither is good.
"We should remember, that the Earth's coldest periods have usually followed excessive warmth. Such was the case when our planet moved from the Medieval Warm Period between 900 and 1300 A.D. to the sudden “Little Ice Age,” which peaked in the 17th Century. Since 2,500 B.C., it’s estimated that there have been over 70 major climate changes worldwide, including two major changes in just the past 50 years. In terms of upcoming cooling and warming periods, only time will tell."

3. If you believe that the "Big Bang" just happened by accident, from nothing, you don't understand it.

 

[westwall]

1. Yes there were periods of extreme global heat and "Ice Ages". But there were no humans living at that time, especially about 4b humans all over the place. that need food and water. Current weather records start about 2500BC. Moses lived about 1500BC.

Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. to 2040 A.D.

Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C.

www.longrangeweather.com

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2. Scientists can only warn us about what might happen. After heat comes cold...neither is good.
"We should remember, that the Earth's coldest periods have usually followed excessive warmth. Such was the case when our planet moved from the Medieval Warm Period between 900 and 1300 A.D. to the sudden “Little Ice Age,” which peaked in the 17th Century. Since 2,500 B.C., it’s estimated that there have been over 70 major climate changes worldwide, including two major changes in just the past 50 years. In terms of upcoming cooling and warming periods, only time will tell."

3. If you believe that the "Big Bang" just happened by accident, from nothing, you don't understand it.

Nothing that happens on Earth climate wise, is sudden. Volcanic eruptions will have an effect that can last up to a year( With the exception of a giant volcanic caldera eruption, those are on an entire level entirely, but, even there, you will have decades of warning) and guess what, mankind has been around through 4 periods of continental glaciation, with the corresponding warm interglacial periods.

Four times.

Your claims don't hold up in the face of historical fact.

 

[kyzr]

Nothing that happens on Earth climate wise, is sudden. Volcanic eruptions will have an effect that can last up to a year( With the exception of a giant volcanic caldera eruption, those are on an entire level entirely, but, even there, you will have decades of warning) and guess what, mankind has been around through 4 periods of continental glaciation, with the corresponding warm interglacial periods.
Four times.
Your claims don't hold up in the face of historical fact.

You type words with no proof.
Just because earth had large temperature changes in the past doesn't mean that today's inhabited world could survive without a mass die-off of humans.

 

[westwall]

You type words with no proof.
Just because earth had large temperature changes in the past doesn't mean that today's inhabited world could survive without a mass die-off of humans.

Yes, it does. One of the underlying principles of science is UNIFORMITARIANISM.

Look it up.

 

[kyzr]

Yes, it does. One of the underlying principles of science is UNIFORMITARIANISM.
Look it up.

You are mis-applying the definition.

Uniformitarianism

The principle of uniformitarianism says that the present is the key to the past. This principle has had a profound impact on the science of geology.

education.nationalgeographic.org

"The principle of uniformitarianism is essential to understanding Earth’s history. However, prior to 1830, uniformitarianism was not the prevailing theory. Until that time, scientists subscribed to the idea of catastrophism. Catastrophism suggested the features seen on the surface of Earth, such as mountains, were formed by large, abrupt changes—or catastrophes. When discussing past climates, opponents to uniformitarianism may speak of no-analog changes. This idea suggests that certain communities or conditions that existed in the past may not be found on Earth today."


Of course mountains were not formed by large abrupt changes. They were usually formed slowly by plate tectonics.
Yet there were several large abrupt changes, large asteroid hits for one.

New theory behind Chicxulub impactor that killed the dinosaurs

New theory explains origin of comet that killed the dinosaurs.

news.harvard.edu

My post still needs to be answered, if you can:
Just because earth had large temperature changes in the past doesn't mean that today's inhabited world could survive without a mass die-off of humans. A nuclear war could end civilization. Global warming has the potential to affect global weather patterns very seriously. Another "Ice Age", which is coming eventually. The hot cycles generally cause the cold cycles.

 

[westwall]

You are mis-applying the definition.

Uniformitarianism

The principle of uniformitarianism says that the present is the key to the past. This principle has had a profound impact on the science of geology.

education.nationalgeographic.org

"The principle of uniformitarianism is essential to understanding Earth’s history. However, prior to 1830, uniformitarianism was not the prevailing theory. Until that time, scientists subscribed to the idea of catastrophism. Catastrophism suggested the features seen on the surface of Earth, such as mountains, were formed by large, abrupt changes—or catastrophes. When discussing past climates, opponents to uniformitarianism may speak of no-analog changes. This idea suggests that certain communities or conditions that existed in the past may not be found on Earth today."


Of course mountains were not formed by large abrupt changes. They were usually formed slowly by plate tectonics.
Yet there were several large abrupt changes, large asteroid hits for one.

New theory behind Chicxulub impactor that killed the dinosaurs

New theory explains origin of comet that killed the dinosaurs.

news.harvard.edu

My post still needs to be answered, if you can:
Just because earth had large temperature changes in the past doesn't mean that today's inhabited world could survive without a mass die-off of humans. A nuclear war could end civilization. Global warming has the potential to affect global weather patterns very seriously. Another "Ice Age", which is coming eventually. The hot cycles generally cause the cold cycles.

Nope. The principle never changes. Climatologists try and change the meaning, just lime climatologists claim that their experiments don't need to be repeatable.

That turns climatology into a pseudo science.

 

[kyzr]

Nope. The principle never changes. Climatologists try and change the meaning, just lime climatologists claim that their experiments don't need to be repeatable. That turns climatology into a pseudo science.

You're wrong. The principle only applies for gradual changes.
Catastrophism happens occasionally. I already linked to the asteroid hit that killed the dinosaurs. An all out nuclear war would be another example. An Eco-collapse could be another example.
Claiming that ALL environmental changes are gradual is simply wrong.

 

[westwall]

You're wrong. The principle only applies for gradual changes.
Catastrophism happens occasionally. I already linked to the asteroid hit that killed the dinosaurs. An all out nuclear war would be another example. An Eco-collapse could be another example.
Claiming that ALL environmental changes are gradual is simply wrong.

Pure unadulterated horse poo. It applies ALWAYS. Uniformitarianism merely states that whatever happened in the past, will happen now, and will happen in the future. It's as simple as that.

The speed at which environmental change happens is immaterial.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

climate change is a hoax,, get over it,,

Proper punctuation is a hoax! Get over it! Use commas, lots and lots of commas. Double commas tell the world "I'm really smart!"

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Nope. The principle never changes. Climatologists try and change the meaning, just lime climatologists claim that their experiments don't need to be repeatable.

That turns climatology into a pseudo science.

You realize you have just shown everyone you don't know a THING about any of this, right?

 

[westwall]

You realize you have just shown everyone you don't know a THING about any of this, right?

No, what I have shown is that I am a scientist.

 

[braalian]

Pick your poison.

Ok. I choose the one that doesn’t involve throwing tons of radioactive fallout into the sky.