House votes to REMOVE all Confederate statues from Congress

[Chillicothe]

"Confederates fought a self-defense war, against armies that traveled to the south, to attack them there."

In hindsight: Perhaps if they just wouldn't have lit up those cannons aimed at Ft. Sumpter....well, maybe they wouldn't have then experienced such a devastating loss for their insurrection.

Events have a funny way of effecting later developments, no?

 

[protectionist]

The fact is that there was never a real nation anywhere on earth called the "Confederate States of America." No such nation was ever recognized by any actual nation, and the land that it pretended to be was always part of the United States. Lincoln deployed United States troops within the United Staes in defense of the United States.

My Uncle Dave could declare that the island where he lives off the coast of Maine is the sovereign nation of Daveland, but he's not going to be recognized as such by anyone - except maybe his cousin Bert.

The legitimacy of any nation is established by the recognition of actual, sovereign nations. Pretending otherwise does not make it so.

So if all the world's nations declared that the USA is not a nation, we would not be one ? A nation could be a nation, whether it is recognized by another nation or not.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

were separated from the rest of the U.S., and they ran as a independent country, so yes Lincoln Army did invade the South…

The fact is that there was never a real nation anywhere on earth called the "Confederate States of America." No such nation was ever recognized by any actual nation, and the land that it pretended to be was always part of the United States. Lincoln deployed United States troops within the United Staes in defense of the United States.

My Uncle Dave could declare that the island where he lives off the coast of Maine is the sovereign nation of Daveland, but he's not going to be recognized as such by anyone - except maybe his cousin Bert.

The legitimacy of any nation is established by the recognition of actual, sovereign nations. Pretending otherwise does not make it so.

The fact is the Confederate States had their own Government for a period of time before the War of Insurrection broke out.

The fact is if Lincoln, Grant and Sherman were alive today they would be facing The Hague for their genocide against the Southern Confederate States and yet those like you worship those men.

Also here is a fact and the only reason why Lincoln freed the slaves was to punish the Confederate States for their insurrection and when Lincoln was first elected he had no intention of freeing the slaves in the Confederacy and in fact his only goal at that time was to prevent expansion in new States and territories, so as you yammer on how the Confederate States were not a real nation the fact is Lincoln was a tyrant that would be hung by The Hague in today time.

As much as the Confederate States were wrong for allowing Slavery the reality is Lincoln and the North were no better!

Fact is the only reason why the North really objected to the South usage of Slaves was because it hurt Northern States economically, so those like Lincoln were out to prevent future States and Territories from having the choice.

So when are we going to get rid of Lincoln monuments and his face off the penny and five dollar bill?

 

[schmidlap]

So if all the world's nations declared that the USA is not a nation, we would not be one ? A nation could be a nation, whether it is recognized by another nation or not.

If you like to imagine that anyone can be a nation by calling themselves a nation, you can, but it's not true.

The "Confederate States of America" failed to achieve diplomatic recognition by even a single foreign government.

The United States was always recognized internationally as including the states that falsely claimed that they were one.

 

[schmidlap]

The fact is the Confederate States had their own Government for a period of time before the War of Insurrection broke out.

The fact is if Lincoln, Grant and Sherman were alive today they would be facing The Hague for their genocide against the Southern Confederate States and yet those like you worship those men.

Also here is a fact and the only reason why Lincoln freed the slaves was to punish the Confederate States for their insurrection and when Lincoln was first elected he had no intention of freeing the slaves in the Confederacy and in fact his only goal at that time was to prevent expansion in new States and territories, so as you yammer on how the Confederate States were not a real nation the fact is Lincoln was a tyrant that would be hung by The Hague in today time.

As much as the Confederate States were wrong for allowing Slavery the reality is Lincoln and the North were no better!

Fact is the only reason why the North really objected to the South usage of Slaves was because it hurt Northern States economically, so those like Lincoln were out to prevent future States and Territories from having the choice.

So when are we going to get rid of Lincoln monuments and his face off the penny and five dollar bill?

Those fancying themselves the "Confederate States of America" simulated the trappings of sovereignty, but no nation on earth or international authority ever fell for it.

Every inch of the territory claimed by the confederacy remained that of the United States throughout the rebellion, and Lincoln President of those United States. He deployed United States troops within the United States in defense of the United States.

 

[schmidlap]

Confederates fought a self-defense war, against armies that traveled to the south, to attack them there.

Individuals who rejected the United States Constitution mounted an insurrection within the United States, and the forces of the United States deployed its troops within those United States to suppressed it.

Why should citizens of the United States be forced to endure monuments erected on the soil of the United States to individuals who rejected the United States and its Constitution, and took up arms against the United States?

 

[protectionist]

If you like to imagine that anyone can be a nation by calling themselves a nation, you can, but it's not true.
The "Confederate States of America" failed to achieve diplomatic recognition by even a single foreign government.
The United States was always recognized internationally as including the states that falsely claimed that they were one.

A nation could be a nation, whether it is recognized by another nation or not. Nations exist by meeting the definition of a nation. Being recognized by outside entities, is not one of the criteria that defines a nation.

NATION - a stable, historically developed community of people with a territory, economic life, distinctive culture, and language in common. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.)

 

[schmidlap]

If you like to imagine that anyone can be a nation by calling themselves a nation, you can, but it's not true.
The "Confederate States of America" failed to achieve diplomatic recognition by even a single foreign government.
The United States was always recognized internationally as including the states that falsely claimed that they were one.

A nation could be a nation, whether it is recognized by another nation or not. Nations exist by meeting the definition of a nation. Being recognized by outside entities, is not one of the criteria that defines a nation.

NATION - a stable, historically developed community of people with a territory, economic life, distinctive culture, and language in common. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.)

Name one nation that is recognized by no actual nation.

 

[Correll]

So if all the world's nations declared that the USA is not a nation, we would not be one ? A nation could be a nation, whether it is recognized by another nation or not.

If you like to imagine that anyone can be a nation by calling themselves a nation, you can, but it's not true.

The "Confederate States of America" failed to achieve diplomatic recognition by even a single foreign government.

The United States was always recognized internationally as including the states that falsely claimed that they were one.

How many organizations are you a member of, that won't let you leave on pain of death?

 

[protectionist]

Individuals who rejected the United States Constitution mounted an insurrection within the United States, and the forces of the United States deployed its troops within those United States to suppressed it.

So they had no right to be the country they wanted to be ? That's debateable.

Also, the majority of southerners who fought, were simply defending their towns and homes, from attackers, and knew nothing about a "Confederacy" or slavery, and millions had never laid eyes on a black person, and didn't even know they existed.

When southern towns were captured, and southerners were asked "Why did you fight", 99% of the time it was always the same answer "Because you're here"

 

[protectionist]

Those fancying themselves the "Confederate States of America" simulated the trappings of sovereignty, but no nation on earth or international authority ever fell for it.

Every inch of the territory claimed by the confederacy remained that of the United States throughout the rebellion, and Lincoln President of those United States. He deployed United States troops within the United States in defense of the United States.

Sez YOU. But not said by millions of people living in the south.

 

[protectionist]

Name one nation that is recognized by no actual nation.

Name it for what ?

 

[protectionist]

How many organizations are you a member of, that won't let you leave on pain of death?

Mafia. MS-13.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Name one nation that is recognized by no actual nation.

When the US declared independence, it was not recognized by England.

When Liberia was founded, it was not recognized by the United States and is now an independent s***hole country.

Syria did not receive worldwide recognition when it was founded.

Mongolia.

People's Republic of China was not recognized by the US and Western Bloc until 1970.

 

[schmidlap]

Name it for what ?

Again, name one sovereign nation that ever recognized the "Confederate States of America" as a sovereign state.

What sovereign states are not recognized by any sovereign states?

Those who fancied themselves another nation occupied the land of the United States, and Lincoln was the duly-elected President of those United States. He deployed United States troops within the United States in defense of the United States.

 

[schmidlap]

When the US declared independence, it was not recognized by England.

When Liberia was founded, it was not recognized by the United States and is now an independent s***hole country.

Syria did not receive worldwide recognition when it was founded.

Mongolia.

People's Republic of China was not recognized by the US and Western Bloc until 1970.

None were recognized as nations until they had achieved independent sovereignty.

Those who called themselves the "Confederate States of America" never did.

The territory they claimed alway remained that of the United States, and Lincoln its President.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

schmidlap and yet Lincoln was a tyrant that Genocide civilians through Grant and Sherman, so when will we remove Lincoln monuments and take him off the penny and five dollar bill?

Also individuals like you call the war between the states a civil war when it was actually called the North and South war but those like you want to deny reality that the Confederate States had their own Government for months before Lincoln invaded and started his genocide!

 

[Devils_Advocate]

schmidlap in defense of what?

In defense of his tyranny?

Fact still remains that Lincoln was a tyrant and got killed for it and Grant should have been hung along with Sherman but those like you love Genocide as long as it is against those you hate…

So again when will we remove Lincoln Statues and his face from our currency seeing he caused a mass genocide and did more damage to the black population because of his war he wanted with the South?

 

[Correll]

How many organizations are you a member of, that won't let you leave on pain of death?

Mafia. MS-13.

BUT, even they are clear when you join, that it is for life.

According to the libs, the US was WORSE, luring in states, while not telling them that it was forever, and that trying to leave would led to teh deaths of hundreds of thousands.

 

[bripat9643]

were separated from the rest of the U.S., and they ran as a independent country, so yes Lincoln Army did invade the South…

The fact is that there was never a real nation anywhere on earth called the "Confederate States of America." No such nation was ever recognized by any actual nation, and the land that it pretended to be was always part of the United States. Lincoln deployed United States troops within the United Staes in defense of the United States.

My Uncle Dave could declare that the island where he lives off the coast of Maine is the sovereign nation of Daveland, but he's not going to be recognized as such by anyone - except maybe his cousin Bert.

The legitimacy of any nation is established by the recognition of actual, sovereign nations. Pretending otherwise does not make it so.

The fact is the Confederate States had their own Government for a period of time before the War of Insurrection broke out.

The fact is if Lincoln, Grant and Sherman were alive today they would be facing The Hague for their genocide against the Southern Confederate States and yet those like you worship those men.

Also here is a fact and the only reason why Lincoln freed the slaves was to punish the Confederate States for their insurrection and when Lincoln was first elected he had no intention of freeing the slaves in the Confederacy and in fact his only goal at that time was to prevent expansion in new States and territories, so as you yammer on how the Confederate States were not a real nation the fact is Lincoln was a tyrant that would be hung by The Hague in today time.

As much as the Confederate States were wrong for allowing Slavery the reality is Lincoln and the North were no better!

Fact is the only reason why the North really objected to the South usage of Slaves was because it hurt Northern States economically, so those like Lincoln were out to prevent future States and Territories from having the choice.

So when are we going to get rid of Lincoln monuments and his face off the penny and five dollar bill?

The North didn't really object to slavery where it already existed. They just didn't want it extended into additional states.

Lincoln didn't invade Virginia to end slavery. He said so numerous times.