Folks aren't willing to give up their crack pipes either, but that doesn't mean that they should continue to engage in self-destructive behaviors.
House to kill immigration bill?
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absurd comparison.
Of course it was absurd... it was intentionally rendered thus for memorable effect... with the emphasis on the sickness of Addiction rather than anything else..
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Good. That bill should be dead on arrival.
When the government enforces current immigration laws, including building the fence per the law of the land, we can consider more efforts to secure the border. But this amnesty crap is for the birds.
When the government enforces current immigration laws, including building the fence per the law of the land, we can consider more efforts to secure the border. But this amnesty crap is for the birds.
You state the unfortunate obvious, and I agree with the exception of your assumption that I care about 2014.
I don't
Kind of like closing the doors after the horse has left the barn
-Geaux
lol.. And Americans are willing to pay higher taxes to compensate criminals, so they can get cheap labor from the same?
Those cost combined outweigh the wage increase for Americans to do the work in the first place....
What's wrong with cutting your own darn yard and cleaning up your own frigging house?
So slavery is not dead I take it..
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Wage-slavery (for newly-arrived folk) seems to be alive and well, and both of our Vote-Whoring mainstream political parties are supporting it. Friggin' disgusting.
Just as long as the Bill gets killed in the House, all is well...
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Then they lose the House...
But at least they did their duty to the American People on the way out the door...
Besides, there are a lot of folks who don't believe they'll lose the House over that...
And who don't want their Elected Officials to act like Vote Whores...
And who don't want their Elected Officials to play the part of the Surrender Monkey, taking the coward's way out, and knuckling-under to the hyped-up demands of an ethnic minority, just to bring more of their ethnic brethren into the country...
Let's put it to the test and see what happens...
American rank-and file do not respond well to threats and blatant ethnic voting-bloc blackmail...
And they want their Elected Officials to show some balls and to resist such blackmail...
Kill the Bill...
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Kill the Bill=Kill the GOP
Small price, to avoid a vile and dishonorable surrender to an invasion of 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens, now present upon United States soil, without our express prior consent...
If the GOP dies over this, something better and stronger and more responsive to The People will emerge from its ashes...
And the Bill will still be dead as Julius Caesar...
Kill the Bill...
bendog
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Don't fret, the GOP won on this one. You can go cry now.
Texas, CA and NY will be blue for two decades beginning 10 years from now, and most likey Hill will be potus till then. I don't think we won on this one. But thanks for being crazy.
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Kill the GOP
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The GOP is much worse for our country.
G.O.P. in House Leaves Immigration Bill in Doubt
Speaker John A. Boehner, front, in Washington on Tuesday. He is said to be reluctant to anger conservatives to court Hispanics.
New York Times - By JONATHAN WEISMAN - Published: June 25, 2013
WASHINGTON With the Senate days away from passing the most significant immigration legislation in a generation, House Republicans say they feel no pressure to act quickly on a similar measure, leaving the fate of the bill very much in doubt despite solid bipartisan Senate support.
We have a minority of the minority in the Senate voting for this bill, said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma, referring to the 15 or so Republicans expected to back the Senate measure. Thats not going to put a lot of pressure on the majority of the majority in the House.
Two senior House Republican leadership aides were more blunt when speaking privately: Speaker John A. Boehner has no intention of angering conservative voters and jeopardizing the House Republican majority in 2014 in the interest of courting Hispanic voters on behalf of a 2016 Republican presidential nominee who does not yet exist.
If anything, the politics of a gerrymandered House where Republican lawmakers have much more to fear politically from the right than from the left could push many Republicans to oppose a conservative alternative to the Senates plan.
Even advocates of a comprehensive immigration bill that includes a pathway to legalization for unauthorized immigrants now in the country say that Senate passage as early as Friday would not change House sentiment quickly.
The House is not going to get logrolled by the Senate, said Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, who lost his bid to be vice president last year in part because of the Republican Partys abysmal showing with immigrant voters. Well have a more methodical, patient way of doing this.
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Can we pass a House bill? Its a very open question, said Representative Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, a leading voice among a shrinking group of moderate Republicans.
...
...a vote for legislation like the Senate bill could hold real peril for House Republicans, whose solidly Republican districts reward politicians who take the most conservative positions on issues. A new poll by National Journal found that nearly half of Republican voters, 49 percent, said a lawmaker who backs legislation offering a pathway to citizenship would lose their support...
I think most members look at this with a great deal of trepidation, Mr. Cole said.
What the Houses methodical approach yields may determine the ultimate fate of immigration legislation in the 113th Congress. If the House can pass its own immigration bill, lawmakers will have a counteroffer to bring to the voters next year even if the House and Senate bills cannot be reconciled into a final package for President Obama to sign.
That dynamic played out in 2006, when the Senate passed a comprehensive immigration bill, the House passed a measure bolstering border security without offering new paths to legal immigration, and both bills died with the 109th Congress.
But a sizable group of conservatives fear that passing any immigration bill in the House would set up House-Senate negotiations stacked to yield a final deal that would be much closer to the Senates plan than the Houses. If that group, in opposition, joins balking Democrats, they could ensure that no conservative immigration bill would pass.
It will likely take months for the issue to play out. Mr. Boehner has called a July 10 meeting of all House Republicans to hash over a way forward. In the meantime, the House Judiciary Committee will continue passing a series of piecemeal bills that already include a border security bill, an agriculture guest worker plan, and, this week, measures to create a fortified employment eligibility verification system and to expand immigration for science, technology, engineering and mathematics experts.
...
Republican lawmakers see little chance of action until this fall or winter. After Congresss August recess, lawmakers will return to Washington to confront two unavoidable fiscal challenges. First, comes Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, when a government shutdown looms over sharp differences between the House and Senate over spending levels. That will be followed quickly by the next showdown over the governments statutory borrowing limit, which House Republicans will use to try to force concessions from President Obama on taxes and entitlement programs like Medicare.
An immigration battle is a distant second to those matters, Republicans say.
I dont know why wed get embroiled in this fight, which is apt to be very divisive in the conference, before we take care of the more immediate issues, Mr. Cole said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/politics/gop-in-house-leaves-immigration-bill-in-doubt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Speaker John A. Boehner, front, in Washington on Tuesday. He is said to be reluctant to anger conservatives to court Hispanics.
New York Times - By JONATHAN WEISMAN - Published: June 25, 2013
WASHINGTON With the Senate days away from passing the most significant immigration legislation in a generation, House Republicans say they feel no pressure to act quickly on a similar measure, leaving the fate of the bill very much in doubt despite solid bipartisan Senate support.
We have a minority of the minority in the Senate voting for this bill, said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma, referring to the 15 or so Republicans expected to back the Senate measure. Thats not going to put a lot of pressure on the majority of the majority in the House.
Two senior House Republican leadership aides were more blunt when speaking privately: Speaker John A. Boehner has no intention of angering conservative voters and jeopardizing the House Republican majority in 2014 in the interest of courting Hispanic voters on behalf of a 2016 Republican presidential nominee who does not yet exist.
If anything, the politics of a gerrymandered House where Republican lawmakers have much more to fear politically from the right than from the left could push many Republicans to oppose a conservative alternative to the Senates plan.
Even advocates of a comprehensive immigration bill that includes a pathway to legalization for unauthorized immigrants now in the country say that Senate passage as early as Friday would not change House sentiment quickly.
The House is not going to get logrolled by the Senate, said Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, who lost his bid to be vice president last year in part because of the Republican Partys abysmal showing with immigrant voters. Well have a more methodical, patient way of doing this.
...
Can we pass a House bill? Its a very open question, said Representative Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, a leading voice among a shrinking group of moderate Republicans.
...
...a vote for legislation like the Senate bill could hold real peril for House Republicans, whose solidly Republican districts reward politicians who take the most conservative positions on issues. A new poll by National Journal found that nearly half of Republican voters, 49 percent, said a lawmaker who backs legislation offering a pathway to citizenship would lose their support...
I think most members look at this with a great deal of trepidation, Mr. Cole said.
What the Houses methodical approach yields may determine the ultimate fate of immigration legislation in the 113th Congress. If the House can pass its own immigration bill, lawmakers will have a counteroffer to bring to the voters next year even if the House and Senate bills cannot be reconciled into a final package for President Obama to sign.
That dynamic played out in 2006, when the Senate passed a comprehensive immigration bill, the House passed a measure bolstering border security without offering new paths to legal immigration, and both bills died with the 109th Congress.
But a sizable group of conservatives fear that passing any immigration bill in the House would set up House-Senate negotiations stacked to yield a final deal that would be much closer to the Senates plan than the Houses. If that group, in opposition, joins balking Democrats, they could ensure that no conservative immigration bill would pass.
It will likely take months for the issue to play out. Mr. Boehner has called a July 10 meeting of all House Republicans to hash over a way forward. In the meantime, the House Judiciary Committee will continue passing a series of piecemeal bills that already include a border security bill, an agriculture guest worker plan, and, this week, measures to create a fortified employment eligibility verification system and to expand immigration for science, technology, engineering and mathematics experts.
...
Republican lawmakers see little chance of action until this fall or winter. After Congresss August recess, lawmakers will return to Washington to confront two unavoidable fiscal challenges. First, comes Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, when a government shutdown looms over sharp differences between the House and Senate over spending levels. That will be followed quickly by the next showdown over the governments statutory borrowing limit, which House Republicans will use to try to force concessions from President Obama on taxes and entitlement programs like Medicare.
An immigration battle is a distant second to those matters, Republicans say.
I dont know why wed get embroiled in this fight, which is apt to be very divisive in the conference, before we take care of the more immediate issues, Mr. Cole said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/politics/gop-in-house-leaves-immigration-bill-in-doubt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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