Honest discussion about Abortion. Be prepared for FACTS

[MarathonMike]

is it your argument that you have special knowledge that a new life begins after 12 weeks from conception?

The 12 week limit is based on an estimate to when a fetus' heart begins beating. Like I said, the 12 week abortion limit is a sad but necessary compromise between the two extremes of 'life begins at conception' and 'life begins when the cord is it'.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

My life does not revolve around the abortion issue. I just point out what is cynical and deceptive about Abortionists. They to justify late term abortion through some scientific mumbo jumbo as you did. There is no difference between a late term abortion and someone walking up to a car and shooting a newborn baby in the head.

What you call scientific mumbo-jumbo is my religious belief that is consistent with Judaism. I am not Jewish in the sense that you might think because I am a rational theist which is a religious worldview that is compatible with all religions when adherents of major organized religions do no harm to western liberal democries that have their origins in Jeffersonian rational theism all around the world.

You are ok with killing unborn babies when it is a pregnant woman’s choice up to 13 weeks, which consist of 96% of all abortions in the United States - that is 1 million a year but here you claim I am wrong to advovate for women’s rights to make decisions about their reproductive life with no interference from the government.

Abortionists hide behind flowery feel good slogans like "Womens' Rights" because they know what they are advocating is wrong.

I say when it comes to woman’s rights, I know that what I am advocating is observantly moral and legitimate because I am protecting a human being who has already been born from state governments that are run by white Christian religious fanatics that fifth the based of the Republucsn Party.

You have no self-righteous claim to Republican Party pro-Life sainthood when it’s OK for you to grant the right to women to abort 1 million unborn babies every year up to few months after becoming pregnant.

Most women have for 50 years complied with what is now the Ohio State constitutional rights for women up to a period of viability, which can be between 22 and 26 weeks.

I can say that it would be a very unusual and drastic circumstance when a woman who carries a baby for 26 weeks suddenly decides after eight months. “I just want to kill my baby.”

Republicans sicken me when they bring up late term abortion because it’s already rare enough and when it happens, it’s generally to save the life of the mother or the fetus will not live very long when it comes into contact with the earths atmosphere outside of the womb trying to breathe on its own.

Those are all tragic cases for the women and the people that love them and you use it for a political cudgel because you’re ignorant of what reproductive freedom truly means.

Melania Trump is not ignorsnt on this issue. of abortion. Her statement is absolutely morally and religiously correct even as a Catholic.

She is just ignorant for marrying the Republican Party menace of a husband that Don Trump has brought to the world.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Planned parenthood loves doing abortions. They have "cute names" for the child, the place they incinerate them and watch the video for the truth from a former planned parenthood worker who is very experienced.
Would you save the child were it yours?

Johnson said in January 2011 that she had two abortions herself before the birth of her daughter.[9]She lives in Texas with her husband Doug[5] and eight children.[25]​

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Johnson was raised as a Southern Baptist, but left the church because it objected to her work at Planned Parenthood. She and her husband Doug, who was raised Lutheran, stopped attending church altogether for two years before joining the Episcopal Church, which has one of the most liberal stances on abortion of any Mainline Protestant denomination. After she went public with her conversion to the anti-abortion position, Johnson said she felt unwelcome at this church.[26] She and her husband converted to Catholicism in 2012.[27]​

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Why do you white republican fundamentalist Christians when a woman like this who had two abortions and eventually joined the Catholic Church to have power over our daughters and granddaughters who may not grow up having the same rights that she had.

how can the Catholic Church have so much power over Republican politicians that they sell out the first amendment to get elected.

 

[Robert W]

Johnson said in January 2011 that she had two abortions herself before the birth of her daughter.[9]She lives in Texas with her husband Doug[5] and eight children.[25]​

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Johnson was raised as a Southern Baptist, but left the church because it objected to her work at Planned Parenthood. She and her husband Doug, who was raised Lutheran, stopped attending church altogether for two years before joining the Episcopal Church, which has one of the most liberal stances on abortion of any Mainline Protestant denomination. After she went public with her conversion to the anti-abortion position, Johnson said she felt unwelcome at this church.[26] She and her husband converted to Catholicism in 2012.[27]​

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Why do you white republican fundamentalist Christians when a woman like this who had two abortions and eventually joined the Catholic Church to have power over our daughters and granddaughters who may not grow up having the same rights that she had.

how can the Catholic Church have so much power over Republican politicians that they sell out the first amendment to get elected.

I see you used Wikipedia. I myself have written things for them. Here is the thing as I see this, abortions to be blunt kill people. I know of no good reason to kill people. And she no longer has a reason to do it either.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Here is the thing as I see this, abortions to be blunt kill people

Abortions kill people while they are in the fetal stage of development.

…. that is a FACT!

97% of abortions kill people prior to being viable sufficient to live outside the womb.

…. that is a FACT!

The remaining 3% are to save the life of the mother or because the fetus has not developed in a way m that it will survive birth.

….that is a FACT!

Your statement is incomplete, therefore it is devoid of full FACT.

I thought this thread is to be about FACTS.

So what is your point that abortions kill people? It’s not a fact that I reject.

We????? When has my responses not been legally framed, humanitarian framed and with the interest of saving lives?

You do not save viable human lives. A national ban on abirtional would cause a certain number of women to die during childbirth yesrv after yesr.

 

[Robert W]

Abortions kill people while they are in the fetal stage of development.

…. that is a FACT!

97% of abortions kill people prior to being viable sufficient to live outside the womb.

…. that is a FACT!

The remaining 3% are to save the life of the mother or because the fetus has not developed in a way m that it will survive birth.

….that is a FACT!

Your statement is incomplete, therefore it is devoid of full FACT.

I thought this thread is to be about FACTS.

So what is your point that abortions kill people? It’s not a fact that I reject.


You do not save viable human lives. A national ban on abirtional would cause a certain number of women to die during childbirth yesrv after yesr.

So women who get pregnant put themselves in danger is your claim?
Those who get killed are humans. Were you ever a Fetus? But nobody killed you.

Democrats sound to me like the nazis who loved killing children.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

200 27. Don’t buy a Billionaire’s SwastiKars. Did Saint Robert ever have a fetus increasing in length inside his body?

Robert W said: Those who get killed are humans. Were you ever a Fetus? But nobody killed you.

what I say ccxxvii to 226. : Sure was. I damn near killed my mother and myself because I came out ass first. So I am told.

If my mother did not want to risk her life to give birth to me and killed me before I was 12 weeks old, What the **** would I care? I did not acquire consciousness within the first 12 weeks of gestation.

Nearly half of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. I don’t think as a Jeffersonian rational theist that Nature’s God designed that to be an unpleasant experience before being flushed brainless down the toilet.

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[Robert W]

Robert W said: Those who get killed are humans. Were you ever a Fetus? But nobody killed you.

Sure was. I damn near killed my mother snd myself because I came out ass first. So I an told.

If my mother did not want to risk her life to give birth to me and killed me before I was 12 weeks old, What the **** would I care? I did not acquire consciousness within the first 12 weeks of gestation.

Nearly half of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. I don’t think as a Jeffersonian rational theist that Nature’s God designed that to be an unpleasant experience before being flushed brainless down the toilet.

You don't care right now. That is the problem. You believe you are the boss of other women.

 

[Papageorgio]

I sm already pro-Life. I am pro civily protecting the life of every newborn baby at the moment of birth until there is a natural

When the neonatal cardiovascular system takes over responsibility of vital processes for survival.responsibility of vital processes for survival as the infant is given soul by god and sent on their free will way.​

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At birth, upon separation from the placental circulation, the neonatal cardiovascular system takes over responsibility of vital processes for survival.​

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The Transitional Heart: From Early Embryonic and Fetal Development to Neonatal Life - PubMed 221121^heart​

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The transition from the fetal to neonatal circulation is considered to be a period of intricate physiological, anatomical, and biochemical changes in the cardiovascular system. With a successful cardiopulmonary transition to the extrauterine environment, the fetal shunts are functionally modified or eliminated, enabling independent life.​

You are also not angainst the abortion of a baby, which also means you are pro abortion for babies, be proud of your position, all of them.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

200 30 hdaab bvbykiller propaganda Saint Papa G cannot quit.

You are also not angainst the abortion of a baby, which also means you are pro abortion for babies, be proud of your position, all of them.

I am against the abortion of a baby. I would love to see no babies aborted when the mother to be is at no risk and a doctor says the baby will be healthy enough to survive birth.

Me myself personally I have never contributed to the creation of a baby that I would have aborted. After my second daughter was born I got snipped. So I will never put a woman through the ordeal of having to make that choice.

This is one of your most failed arguments Saint Papageorgiot that you continue to make because you want to support a political party, the Republicans in the name of Jesus Christ and the covenant of God He Has with United States of America. You want to force full term gestation on all women. You thus are willing to deprive women of their rights to privacy their right to Religious thought and their right to due process and the only enumerated rate of having bodily autonomy.

You are in a malignant depraved sideways unholy alliance with the Republican Party and your ridiculous belief that somehow a third-party will get federal spending under control. Look what’s going on now in Washington. Republican party lawlessness completely out of control.

It’s all based on your absurdity abd absurdly made argument that I’m in favor of killing babies.

Have a nice day - enjoy your self saluted righteousness

 

[Robert W]

200 30 hdaab bvbykiller propaganda Saint Papa G cannot quit.


I am against the abortion of a baby. I would love to see no babies aborted when the mother to be is at no risk and a doctor says the baby will be healthy enough to survive birth.

Me myself personally I have never contributed to the creation of a baby that I would have aborted. After my second daughter was born I got snipped. So I will never put a woman through the ordeal of having to make that choice.

This is one of your most failed arguments Saint Papageorgiot that you continue to make because you want to support a political party, the Republicans in the name of Jesus Christ and the covenant of God He Has with United States of America. You want to force full term gestation on all women. You thus are willing to deprive women of their rights to privacy their right to Religious thought and their right to due process and the only enumerated rate of having bodily autonomy.

You are in a malignant depraved sideways unholy alliance with the Republican Party and your ridiculous belief that somehow a third-party will get federal spending under control. Look what’s going on now in Washington. Republican party lawlessness completely out of control.

It’s all based on your absurdity abd absurdly made argument that I’m in favor of killing babies.

Have a nice day - enjoy your self saluted righteousness

Democrats can't be reasoned with.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Democrats can't be reasoned with.

Do to have different data?

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[JohnDB]

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Principles Of Us Republic For Independence Of The Individual Undermined By Traitors "

* Neither Can Repugnicans Be Reasoned With *

Democrats can't be reasoned with.

This abortion choice republican wants scotus justices , weighing in the affirmative for dobbs , to be formally charged with sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments and to be charged with malfeasance for violating title 1 section 8 of us code .

. Equal Protection Of Citizenship Is In A State Of Sedition Because Of Supreme Court Ruling On Abortion .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Do Not Have Power To Abrogate Live Birth Requirement For Equal Protection From Us 14th Amendment "

* Privacy Not Available When Publicly Entering A Facility Targeted For Vice "

This is one of your most failed arguments Saint Papageorgiot that you continue to make because you want to support a political party, the Republicans in the name of Jesus Christ and the covenant of God He Has with United States of America. You want to force full term gestation on all women. You thus are willing to deprive women of their rights to privacy their right to Religious thought and their right to due process and the only enumerated rate of having bodily autonomy.

The constitutional basis for abortion and from roe v wade is that equal protection with a citizen requires live birth , as live birth is the only non incidental requirement to become a citizen , it does not have a damned thing to do with a rite to privacy .

Based upon an ability for a fetus to survive an imminent live birth at natural viability , natural viability was substituted in lieu of a live birth requirement and roe v wade directed that states could proscribe abortion in third trimester , and alluded to a potential life .

As to why any should need to explain the " logically of course statement form blackmun " too a supreme court justice is pathetic , however all eat toe decided to comment as would a dumbfounded , babbling fool that " potential life " was not sufficiently explained in roe v wade .

. Demand Any Nomination For Us Supreme Court Justice Explain Blackmun ' Logically Of Course ' Statement From Roe V Wade .

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Here are a few facts:

1) The anti choice goons here are FRAUDS
2) No, they dont actually think it is murder
3) No, they dont actually care about the children
4) Yes they only care about punching their own tickets to their favorite religion's forever festival
5) If it werent for religious stupidity, we wouldn't be having this debate

 

[Couchpotato]

Here are a few facts:

1) The anti choice goons here are FRAUDS
2) No, they dont actually think it is murder
3) No, they dont actually care about the children
4) Yes they only care about punching their own tickets to their favorite religion's forever festival
5) If it werent for religious stupidity, we wouldn't be having this debate

You’re a moron….

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You’re a moron….

And you just looked in the mirror, when you read my post.

We both know it.

 

[theHawk]

3:30 such a LIE.

Why do you promote LIES, cuz you are a WEAK old man.

How would you know?

How many abortions have you had?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How would you know?

How many abortions have you had?

How many have you had?

Not the brightest crayon in the box, are ya?