200 41. It is impossible that some version of mild or extremist or any interpretation of Christianity gave us the secular constitutional guarantee of freedom of conscience in granted in natural law. Its a freedom that we have a duty to preserve. It Is IMPOSSIBLE and IMPLAUSIBLE !!!!!
Was it Catholic Christianity in your biased baseless opinion Saint Ding that gave we the descendants, whether by birth or naturalization, of the founding generation our America that is supposed to maintain absolute separation between church and state?
It was neither Saint Ding, but you need to pick one if you wish to maintain your bias.
It is a farce if you believe Catholics had anything whatsoever to do with creating our secular nation in any way. nfbw 250206 eortb00241
200 42. Please Never Forget the J6 Political Prisoners and their Families and Catholic Bishop Vigano are Republican Party Imposter Christians who believe Christianity gave us America.
The insurrection marked the first time many Americans realized the US is facing a burgeoning White Christian nationalist movement. This movement uses Christian language to cloak sexism and hostility to Black people and non-White immigrants in its quest to create a White Christian America. wcnIDiijoke01
iii. NotfooledbyW ccxlii to wwwcz00006. : It must be true that Saint Ding’s membership in the Body of Christ and those conversations he has had with the Father of Jesus Christ himself, keep him well within the company of “imposter Christians“ that include Archbishop Vigano and the Russian Orthodox Christian Great Slayer of Ukrainians, Vladimir Putin. erotb00242
In the past couple of posts at American Creation, fellow blogger Tom Van Dyke and I have been engaged in a "heated" discussion over the validity of the Christian Nation thesis. In his piece below, Mr. Van Dyke notes that the Christian Nation thesis is poorly served by the "extremists" on the right (David Barton, D. James Kennedy, etc.) who in their quest to legitimize their claims, make America's Christian heritage "look like balderdash."
On this I couldn't agree more. The "fringe" of the Christian right has done little to promote the belief in America as a Christian Nation. In fact, I believe they have done more harm than good. Mr. Van Dyke will receive no disagreement from me on this issue.
The definitive Christian nation thesis argument remains the Rev. Jasper Adams sermon of 1833 [later published with footnotes and distributed all across America], which was highly praised by not one, but two sitting Supreme Court justices, America's first great constitutional scholar Joseph Story, and Chief Justice John Marshall.
There appears to be in the nature of man what insures his belief in an invisible cause of his present existence, and anticipation of his future existence. Hence the propensities & susceptibilities in that case
of religion which with a few doubtful or individual exceptions have prevailed
throughout the world.
The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best
guarded agst by an entire abstinence of the Govt from interference in any way
whatever.
[...]
In most of the Govt of the old world, the legal establishment of a particular religion and without or with very little toleration of others makes a part of the Political and Civil organization and there are few of the most enlightened judges who will maintain that the system has been favorable either to Religion or to Govt.
In the Colonial State of the Country, there were four examples, R. I, N. J., Penna, and Delaware, & the greater part of N. Y. where there were no religious Establishments;
the support of Religion being left to the voluntary associations & contributions of individuals; and certainly the religious condition of those Colonies, will well bear a comparison with that where establishments existed.
As it may be suggested that experiments made in Colonies more or less under the Control of a foreign Government, had not the full scope necessary to display their tendency, it is fortunate that the appeal can now be made to their effects under a complete exemption from any such Control.
It is true that the New England States have not discontinued establishments of Religion formed under very peculiar circumstances; but they have by successive relaxations advanced towards the prevailing example; and without any evidence of disadvantage either to Religion or good Government.
And if we turn to the Southern States where there was, previous to the Declaration of independence, a legal provision for the support of Religion; and since that event a surrender of it to a spontaneous support by the people, it may be said that the difference amounts nearly to a contrast in the greater purity &
industry of the Pastors and in the greater devotion of their flocks, in the latter period than in the former. In Virginia the contrast is particularly striking, to those whose memories can make the comparison. It will not be denied that causes other than the abolition of the legal establishment of Religion are to be taken into view in account for the change in the Religious character of the community. But the existing character, distinguished as it is by its religious features, and the lapse of time now more than 50 years since the legal
support of Religion was withdrawn sufficiently prove that it does not need the
support of Govt and it will scarcely be contended that Government has suffered
by the exemption of Religion from its cognizance, or its pecuniary aid.
When we look at Rev. Adams' sermon it becomes clear that he, like so many others, banks his "Christian Nation" claim on two key points: (1) America was founded by settlers who clearly established Christian settlements, and whose ideas were paramount in the establishment of the United States, (2) The constitutions of the various states make it indelibly clear that America is a Christian Nation.
Point #1:
In his sermon, Adams states:
The Colonies, then, from which these United States have sprung, were originally planted and nourished by our pious forefathers, in the exercise of a strong and vigorous Christian faith. They were designed to be. Christian communities
The originators and early promoters of the discovery and settlement of this continent, had the propagation of Christianity before their eyes, as one of the principal objects of their undertaking. This is shewn by
examining the charters and other similar documents of that period, in which this
chief aim of their novel and perilous enterprize, is declared with a frequency
and fulness which are equally satisfactory.
I agree, in part, with what Rev. Adams is trying to say. Clearly America was PLANTED as a Christian Nation...at least in most colonies. However, are we to automatically insinuate from this history that the United States was/is founded as a Christian Nation?
The answer to this question can be found by addressing Rev. Adams' second key point; that the various state constitutions clearly establish a Christian nation. He states:
We are, therefore, now prepared to examine with a good
prospect of success, the nature and extent of the changes in regard to Religion,
which have been introduced by the people of the United States in forming their
State Constitutions, and also in the adoption of the Constitution of the United
States.
In perusing the twenty-four Constitutions of the United States. with this object in view, we find all of them recognising Christianity as the. well known and well established religion of the communities, whose legal, civil and political foundations, these Constitutions are. The terms of this
recognition are more or less distinct in the Constitutions of the different States; but they exist ill all of them.
But do STATE charters prove that the United States is a Christian Nation? Again, I will quote Madison from his above mentioned letter:
It is true that the New England States have not discontinued establishments of Religion formed under very peculiar
circumstances; but they have by successive relaxations advanced towards the prevailing example; and without any evidence of disadvantage either to Religion
or good Government.
And if we turn to the Southern States where there was, previous to the Declaration of independence, a legal provision for the. support of Religion; and since that event a surrender of it to a spontaneous support by the people, it may be said that the difference amounts nearly to a contrast in the greater purity & industry of the Pastors and in the greater
devotion of their flocks, in the latter period than in the former. In Virginia the contrast is particularly striking, to those whose memories can make thecomparison. It will not be denied that causes other than the abolition of the legal establishment of Religion are to be taken into view in account for the change in the Religious character of the community. But the existing character, distinguished as it is by its religious features, and the lapse of time now more than 50 years since the legal support of Religion was withdrawn sufficiently prove that it does not need the support of Govt and it will scarcely be
contended that Government has suffered by the exemption of Religion from its
cognizance, or its pecuniary aid.
And even Rev. Adams seems to recognize this when he states:
No nation on earth, perhaps, ever had opportunities so favorable to introduce changes in their institutions as the American people; and by the time of the Revolution, a conviction of the impolicy of a further union of Church and State according to the ancient mode, had so far prevailed, that nearly all the States in framing their new constitutions of government, either silently or by direct enactment, discontinued the ancient connexion[my emphasis].
Yes, the Reverend Adams provides an eloquent and well-prepared argument for his side, and I personally find much to praise in his sermon. However, colonial heritage and state constitutions are not sufficient grounds for calling America a Christian Nation. The federal Constitution is clearly a secular document, a fact that Adams gives very little attention to in his sermon. In addition, as Adams himself notes, these state constitutions eventually removed all religious preference, making the states secular as well.
a. America was not founded as a Christian nation.
b. Christianity did not give anything to the written words of the Constitution except.
“Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names....”
it took about 1800 years of western civilization to liberate mankind of the blood stained fields of battles between one Christian Church Roiyal Wealth State against the Others. It took about 1500 years after the Battle of the Milvian Bridge until the separation of church and state came in to being in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
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Now the Republican Party wants some techno form of churched humans and wealth state according to their Biblical World View and to go back in time to the Year of the Republican Party’s Lord and Savior in one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven when white European males had the control and respect that they deserved.
The only thing missing from the Biden JD proclamation that the biggest threat to America are White Christian Nationalists are the White Christian Nationalists. None can be found. No instance can be found of any such crime. Shazam!
i. NotfooledbyW ccxlvi to 244. : Re: Much of America’s illiberal religion transitioned to liberal rational theistic religion in 1776 - The Republican Party has not made that transition yet.
This project explores the New English Puritan ideology of providentialism from the first. settlement of New England in 1620 to the Salem Village witch trials in 1692. During this period. New England watched its motherland experience civil war, the overthrow of the monarchy, the installation of a commonwealth, the failure of the Puritan Reformation, the restoration of the monarchy, and the Glorious Revolution. These events influenced the way New Englanders saw. England’s relationship with God as well as the meaning behind their providential purpose by. allowing them to believe God had turned his wrath on England, so the colonists needed to focus
on themselves instead of England. At the same time as many of these events, the colonists witnessed disease ravaging Indigenous populations, depletion of New England’s resources, recurring war with Indigenous peoples of the area, and a mass outbreak of witchcraft accusations. The colonists interpreted these events as God’s judgment or warning upon them that they needed to repent of their sins and reform their colony if they wanted to maintain their. covenantal relationship with him. They began to wonder if their purpose was to reform for their. own sake rather than to reform for the sake of the rest of the world. Their view that they needed to undergo mass reformation and repentance influenced how the Salem Village witch trials were. handled because it raised the stakes for tolerating sin. Every sin that was tolerated further. separated them from God and put their covenantal relationship at risk. The imprisonment and. execution of many accused witches were directly influenced by the Puritan need to cleanse their community of sin to quell the judgment of God. The Puritan idea of their providential mission led to an exceptional view of themselves. Studying this view provides insights into how. exceptionalism impacts the mindsets of communities today. ivxlcgrss pg004 para n/a. Vess 4 erotb00246
The idea for this project began when I recalled a sermon from an old pastor of mine. speaking of America as if it were God’s promised land and Americans as if they were God’s covenant people. It took me several years to realize the weight behind such a claim. As I matured. in my faith, I realized the absurdity of such a claim. The United States was not mentioned in the. Bible, let alone predicted to replace the Jews or the Church as God’s covenant people. My old. pastor was not the only one I heard this sentiment from, so it led me to wonder how the prevalence. of such an idea came to be. My initial research immediately led to the answer I sought: the New England Puritans brought this idea with them from England. After discovering that answer, I wanted to learn more about the topic, and thus ensued this project. In this thesis, I seek to answer. how providentialism changed, why it changed, and how it impacted the development of the Salem witch trials in New England during the seventeenth century.
The word providentialism will often be used in this project to describe the worldview that. God controls everything that happens in the world. There is a narrative story at play, and God directs the world for it to proceed according to his will. Tied into the seventeenth-century New English Puritan view of providentialism was a prevalent belief that God had chosen them as a. special or covenant people to represent what a true relationship with God should look like. This. worldview led the Puritans of New England to try to interpret the meaning behind the events they lived through to discover the will of God.
The word covenant and covenantal relationship will also be prevalent throughout this thesis. I view a covenant as a contractual agreement between two parties that relies on the. obligatory actions between the two parties involved. New Englanders believed they had a covenant. between themselves and God, and this covenant depended on their faithfulness to the agreement
This project explores the New English Puritan ideology of providentialism from the first. settlement of New England in 1620 to the Salem Village witch trials in 1692. During this period. New England watched its motherland experience civil war, the overthrow of the monarchy, the installation of a commonwealth, the failure of the Puritan Reformation, the restoration of the monarchy, and the Glorious Revolution. These events influenced the way New Englanders saw. England’s relationship with God as well as the meaning behind their providential purpose by. allowing them to believe God had turned his wrath on England, so the colonists needed to focus
on themselves instead of England. At the same time as many of these events, the colonists witnessed disease ravaging Indigenous populations, depletion of New England’s resources, recurring war with Indigenous peoples of the area, and a mass outbreak of witchcraft accusations. The colonists interpreted these events as God’s judgment or warning upon them that they needed to repent of their sins and reform their colony if they wanted to maintain their. covenantal relationship with him. They began to wonder if their purpose was to reform for their. own sake rather than to reform for the sake of the rest of the world. Their view that they needed to undergo mass reformation and repentance influenced how the Salem Village witch trials were. handled because it raised the stakes for tolerating sin. Every sin that was tolerated further. separated them from God and put their covenantal relationship at risk. The imprisonment and. execution of many accused witches were directly influenced by the Puritan need to cleanse their community of sin to quell the judgment of God. The Puritan idea of their providential mission led to an exceptional view of themselves. Studying this view provides insights into how. exceptionalism impacts the mindsets of communities today. vxlcgrss pg 03 para n/a. erotb00250
This project explores the New English Puritan ideology of providentialism from the first settlement of New England in 1620 to the Salem Village witch trials in 1692.
During this period New England watched its motherland experience civil war, the overthrow of the monarchy, the installation of a commonwealth, the failure of the Puritan Reformation, the restoration of the monarchy, and the Glorious Revolution.
These events influenced the way New Englanders saw England’s relationship with God as well as the meaning behind their providential purpose by allowing them to believe God had turned his wrath on England, so the colonists needed to focus on themselves instead of England. At the same time as many of these events, the colonists witnessed disease ravaging Indigenous populations, depletion of New England’s resources, recurring war with Indigenous peoples of the area, and a mass outbreak of witchcraft accusations. The colonists interpreted these events as God’s judgment or warning upon them that they needed to repent of their sins and reform their colony if they wanted to maintain their covenantal relationship with him. They began to wonder if their purpose was to reform for their own sake rather than to reform for the sake of the rest of the world. Their view that they needed to undergo mass reformation and repentance influenced how the Salem Village witch trials were handled because it raised the stakes for tolerating sin. Every sin that was tolerated further separated them from God and put their covenantal relationship at risk.
The imprisonment and execution of many accused witches were directly influenced by the Puritan need to cleanse their community of sin to quell the judgment of God.
The Puritan idea of their providential mission led to an exceptional view of themselves. Studying this view provides insights into how exceptionalism impacts the mindsets of communities today just as much as God’s faithfulness.
I use covenantal relationship to describe this dynamic between God and New Englanders. A covenantal relationship is different from other kinds of relationships because it implies a special level of commitment between the two parties that is dependent upon the covenant and non-applicable to those outside of the covenant. God had expectations of everyone within his global church, but the New England colonists viewed themselves as sent on a special mission by God that could only be fulfilled if their end of the covenant was upheld.
This mission is what made the covenantal relationship between God and the New England colonists different from God and the rest of his church.
they lost the civil war - barely then won all the monuments and ruled to the 1950's despite fdr - truman and have been a cancer on american society from the beginning - the desert religions.
they were interrupted by biden the savior and have been exposed before their time. their evil has lost its steam.
they lost the civil war - barely then won all the monuments and ruled to the 1950's despite fdr - truman and have been a cancer on american society from the beginning - the desert religions.
they were interrupted by biden the savior and have been exposed before their time. their evil has lost its steam.
there seems a hardening for sure the sad case of florida ...
too bad as one way or the other they are obsessed by their beliefs whether in contrast to atheism or anything else which is actually everything not theirs and is a darkness those people have that is unjustifiable for any legitimate reason.
ii. Evolution of Rational Theism beyond Christianity gave us America. 241007 {post•1}
The idea that Christianity had something to do with the founding of America is a unfounded,
NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Veortb: It is not even remotely possible to believe America was created by any organized religion, including white protestant Christianity just before the turn of the 19th century.?
Your secular sources are peddling fiction. Just a few examples:
Washington sent a document to Delaware tribal leaders in 1779 that encouraged them to learn the "religion of Jesus Christ." The document also stated that learning the religion would make the tribal leaders a happier and greater people:
You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life and above all—the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention. (LINK)
Here's what Washington wrote in his Circular Letter to the States:
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination & obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large and particularly for their brethren who have served in the field—and finally that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do Justice, to love mercy and to demean ourselves, with that Charity, humility & pacific temper of mind, which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion & without an humble immitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation. (LINK)
Abstract: Did America have a Christian Founding? This disputed question, far from being only of historical interest, has important implications for how we conceive of the role of religion in the American republic. Mark David Hall begins by considering two popular answers to the query—“Of course...
Contrary to the contemporary mantra that America was birthed as a secular nation, the historical evidence demonstrates that America was founded by Christians who wished to enjoy the liberty to freely express their Christian faith. Lamentably, Christians have forgotten and neglected the Christian...
Part One of Two. Gary is interviewed by Rick Welch from The Burros of Berea podcast about his book, The Case for America’s Christian Heritage. There were many founders who were outspoken Christians who are rarely mentioned by historical revisionists. Consider, for example, John Dickinson...
NotfooledbyW cxxxv. Churching of America : Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135
Saint ding’s white Christian nationalism should be done with by this data.
Our first president was a Freemason
Our second president was a Unitarian who did not believe in original sin and that Jesus Christ was the savior for believers to escape the penalty of death for the Saints:
Our third president when he ran for his second term, was accused by his opponents of being an atheist, who is going to confiscate their Bibles.
That is why I have confidence that the data that about 20% of the rebellious population were not religious other than lipservice maybe to state religions. religions
Our second president was a Unitarian who did not believe in original sin and that Jesus Christ was the savior for believers to escape the penalty of death for the Saints:
Our third president when he ran for his second term, was accused by his opponents of being an atheist, who is going to confiscate their Bibles
Your secular sources are peddling fiction. Just a few examples:
Washington sent a document to Delaware tribal leaders in 1779 that encouraged them to learn the "religion of Jesus Christ." The document also stated that learning the religion would make the tribal leaders a happier and greater people:
You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life and above all—the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention. (LINK)
Here's what Washington wrote in his Circular Letter to the States:
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination & obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large and particularly for their brethren who have served in the field—and finally that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do Justice, to love mercy and to demean ourselves, with that Charity, humility & pacific temper of mind, which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion & without an humble immitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation. (LINK)
Abstract: Did America have a Christian Founding? This disputed question, far from being only of historical interest, has important implications for how we conceive of the role of religion in the American republic. Mark David Hall begins by considering two popular answers to the query—“Of course...
Contrary to the contemporary mantra that America was birthed as a secular nation, the historical evidence demonstrates that America was founded by Christians who wished to enjoy the liberty to freely express their Christian faith. Lamentably, Christians have forgotten and neglected the Christian...
Part One of Two. Gary is interviewed by Rick Welch from The Burros of Berea podcast about his book, The Case for America’s Christian Heritage. There were many founders who were outspoken Christians who are rarely mentioned by historical revisionists. Consider, for example, John Dickinson...
Washington was a Freemason. That means he believed all religions were true.,
Washington was not a Christian with a biblical worldview that would be satisfactory to your white religious extremist Republican Party. Washington could not be elected by the maga mob today. I don’t think he would like what the muskTrump presidency is doing right now.. he could not tell a.lie. He would not have pardoned Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes
NotfooledbyW ccxxxiii to afaac00440: Saint Ding’s Republican Catholics have chosen to align with Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes c/oNPR. and all the J6 insurrectionists that the pussy grabber in Chief pardoned because these white Christian’s beat up black and white and brown cops for him. nfbw 250205 eortb00223
and you have now date that can prove that the majority of colonists during the founding generation were Bible believing Christians.
NotfooledbyW cxxxv. Churching of America :Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135
It is sick and sad that the same liberals who condemn Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Mason, etc., because they owned slaves think nothing of heaping praise on politicians who support the killing of unborn children by the millions via elective abortion, i.e., convenience abortion.
I am a liberal. I have never supported the killing of any unborn children. I am not a Republican US Senate nominee like Herschel Walker.. who supported the killing of his and his girlfriend’s fetus. I would not have an extra marital girlfriend and if I got my wife pregnant, I would carry it to full term and the baby are healthy for their survival. I got a Vasectomy after my second daughter was born, so I do not have to put a strain on my wife for the wonderful purpose of enjoying sex for sex sake.
So out of everybody’s life when it causes no harm to you and your property.
I appreciate the fact that their contribution to humanity with the ideal of separation of church and state was the highest most important contribution by any group of highly educated men in a leadership role during the entire history of there development of western civilization.
I do, however, condemn as our great founding fathers did as well the European unseparated church/state Catholic and Protestant Christian monarchies who in the name of Jesus Christ Almighty condoned slavery for13 centuries.
Christianity as a religious body gets my condemnation on the slavery issue.
you on the other hand, Saint Mikegriffith1 are bsfgled by the desert God, that you worship, based on a book written for his chosen “covenant” people but did not make all those people migrating to the New World African slavery averse. It seemed all those Christians that came considered white people to be always super superior race. I’m not hearing you condemn it
Rational Theism is poetically for me as defined by Thomas Jefferson when he wrote about his belief that everything in the universe had a wholly material existence rather than there being both material and spiritual worlds.
Jefferson insisted that such matters of dogma were not critical; telling one correspondent that on these
“I … reposed my head on that pillow of ignorance which a benevolent creator has made so soft for us, knowing how much we should be forced to use it.”
^ Jefferson to Isaac Story, December 5, 1801, in PTJ, 36:30. Transcription available at Founders Online.
