Holy crap i just lit up a smoke at a bar

[ChrisL]

Why not just go smoke outside? I don't really like smoking, so I am a bit biased. I don't really like sitting in small enclosed smoky rooms and then later reeking like a butt! I do think that if people want to smoke outside, that's fine.

 

[charwin95]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

 

[Disir]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

 

[charwin95]

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

 

[rightwinger]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

Smokers are used to not being welcome in public

They will meekly go where they are told

 

[Disir]

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

There was a big drop. Big. You guys can sit on the sidelines and pat yourselves on the back like you done good but the reality is that it was a big hit. Big. The tax revenue that was lost had an impact. The employees took a hit and were impacted. The business owners took a hit and some of them folded.

Questions?

 

[rightwinger]

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

There was a big drop. Big. You guys can sit on the sidelines and pat yourselves on the back like you done good but the reality is that it was a big hit. Big. The tax revenue that was lost had an impact. The employees took a hit and were impacted. The business owners took a hit and some of them folded.

Questions?

Ohhhhhhh....me....me




Your Michigan link shows one year after the ban from 2008. What happened in the following eight years?

You also ignore the Great Bush Recession of 2008. All gambling revenue was down that year

 

[Disir]

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

There was a big drop. Big. You guys can sit on the sidelines and pat yourselves on the back like you done good but the reality is that it was a big hit. Big. The tax revenue that was lost had an impact. The employees took a hit and were impacted. The business owners took a hit and some of them folded.

Questions?

Ohhhhhhh....me....me




Your Michigan link shows one year after the ban from 2008. What happened in the following eight years?

You also ignore the Great Bush Recession of 2008. All gambling revenue was down that year

Michigan
What's at Stake

 

[charwin95]

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

There was a big drop. Big. You guys can sit on the sidelines and pat yourselves on the back like you done good but the reality is that it was a big hit. Big. The tax revenue that was lost had an impact. The employees took a hit and were impacted. The business owners took a hit and some of them folded.

Questions?

BFD. These places are making by the millions every day and billions every year. If you want to smoke go somewhere but do not stink the place. I care for my health but I don't care about your health as a smoker. Period. Go outside.

 

[Disir]

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

There was a big drop. Big. You guys can sit on the sidelines and pat yourselves on the back like you done good but the reality is that it was a big hit. Big. The tax revenue that was lost had an impact. The employees took a hit and were impacted. The business owners took a hit and some of them folded.

Questions?

BFD. These places are making by the millions every day and billions every year. If you want to smoke go somewhere but do not stink the place. I care for my health but I don't care about your health as a smoker. Period. Go outside.

It's a money thing. Grow up.

 

[Pop23]

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

There was a big drop. Big. You guys can sit on the sidelines and pat yourselves on the back like you done good but the reality is that it was a big hit. Big. The tax revenue that was lost had an impact. The employees took a hit and were impacted. The business owners took a hit and some of them folded.

Questions?

BFD. These places are making by the millions every day and billions every year. If you want to smoke go somewhere but do not stink the place. I care for my health but I don't care about your health as a smoker. Period. Go outside.

Yes indeed, gambling and drinking is all so very very good for you.

 

[rightwinger]

Smokers need to grow up

The world does not revolve around their filthy habit

You can't smoke? Who the fuck cares?

 

[Disir]

Smokers need to grow up

The world does not revolve around their filthy habit

You can't smoke? Who the fuck cares?

Fuck the finances!

 

[Disir]

I don't care if you smoke. I don't care if you don't. It's the self righteous way you folks think you are doing something for the people that work in these establishments. It really has nothing to do with those people. You don't give a fuck. So, stop using them.

If you did give a fuck you would have taken into consideration the financial impact as well as causing a shortage in tax revenue that impacts other programs.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't care if you smoke. I don't care if you do. It's the self righteous way you folks like like you are doing something for the people that work in these establishments. It really has nothing to do with those people. You don't give a fuck. So, stop using them.

If you did give a fuck you would have taken into consideration the financial impact as well as causing a shortage in tax revenue that impacts other programs.

What a load of crap

Smokers are a drain on our society. Their filthy habit impacts their productivity and their health

 

[Disir]

I don't care if you smoke. I don't care if you do. It's the self righteous way you folks like like you are doing something for the people that work in these establishments. It really has nothing to do with those people. You don't give a fuck. So, stop using them.

If you did give a fuck you would have taken into consideration the financial impact as well as causing a shortage in tax revenue that impacts other programs.

What a load of crap

Smokers are a drain on our society. Their filthy habit impacts their productivity and their health

Pull your head out. You're like a bull in a china shop. Really.

 

[flacaltenn]

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

It's telling that the same Professional Denialists used by Big Tobacco to keep the profits coming at the consumers' expense until they could no longer defend their bullsht ---- are now employed by the Koch set for the same purpose, using the same tactics and (I guess) expecting different results this time.

The cigar(ette) -- the only product that, when used as the seller intended, is lethal.

Wow.. The drama.. If it's lethal to the USER only after 30 or 50 years --- what do you expect the harm to be generally for occasional contact?

I followed some of the more hysterical News releases on 2nd hand smoke back to the actual papers. And the press just read the Press Release and never OPENED the papers. I remember hearing a TV headline that "smoking parents may be killing their kids" and grabbed the paper. The ACTUAL statistically significant results were that a child had to reside in a 2 smoking parent household for more than 22 years straight to be slightly "statistically at risk for lung cancer". It's crap like that was sold to public WITHOUT the qualifiers and with added "sauce" that set "the debate"..

Another press report declared breathlessly (pun intended) that "sidestream smoke" was MORE harmful to other non-smokers than the smoker themselves. And of course -- the press RAN with that hysterical interpretation in lieu of noticing any of the listed "harms" that they mentioned. (all being in the realm of bronchitis and chronic irritation) And of COURSE --- where was the SMOKER when this "sidestream smoke" was being emitted and HOW did they ESCAPE the harm? Never addressed the immunity of the smoker...

There WAS a lot of exaggerated hype with relation to 2nd hand smoke. Not so much with the primary smokers.

 

[Pogo]

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Okay try this. A gambling addict will not stop going to casinos just because they can't smoke.
They can always take a break and smoke in the smoking sections.
I go to casinos a lot and I've seen this in California, New York Las Vegas, Atlantic city etc etc etc. Except in Macau.

And?

Business still good as ever.

There was a big drop. Big. You guys can sit on the sidelines and pat yourselves on the back like you done good but the reality is that it was a big hit. Big. The tax revenue that was lost had an impact. The employees took a hit and were impacted. The business owners took a hit and some of them folded.

Questions?

Me next!

Gonna answer post 129? Specifically, as regards, to wit:

And what I'm saying is, yeah everybody knew what it was before, and many were excluded.

Well ---- now they're not excluded.
Seems to me opening up an entire new population of customers would be good for business -- not bad.

Here are some study questions to help navigate --

Yes or no: is smoking the same activity as drinking?
Yes or no: Do people only go to a bar in order to smoke? Does everyone who drinks --- smoke?
Yes or no: Is any smoker driven out of the room because some asshat walked in and started not-smoking?

 

[flacaltenn]

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

Same old....cigarettes don't cause cancer

We need more study

Aye, we do. Because the Big Tobacco General has determined that coming to obvious conclusions about cancer may be hazardous to the profit margin's health.

The result of all this is --- Big Tobacco now makes about $0.30 a pack. Big GOVT now makes upwards $7.00 a pack. If people quit smoking ENTIRELY -- about 5 states would be in receivership. That's MY angle on this.

 

[rightwinger]

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

Same old....cigarettes don't cause cancer

We need more study

Aye, we do. Because the Big Tobacco General has determined that coming to obvious conclusions about cancer may be hazardous to the profit margin's health.

The result of all this is --- Big Tobacco now makes about $0.30 a pack. Big GOVT now makes upwards $7.00 a pack. If people quit smoking ENTIRELY -- about 5 states would be in receivership. That's MY angle on this.

Big GOVT is doing everything in its power to not collect that $7 a pack. Banning opportunities for people to smoke. Used to be a three pack a day smoker was common, now it is rare