Holy crap i just lit up a smoke at a bar

[rightwinger]

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Smokers can't gamble unless they are stinking up the place?

What a bunch of pussies

You can be as vulgar and mean as you want. I already got what I wanted which was the fact that you were using employees as a matter of convenience when in reality.........you don't give a fuck. You have a good day.

Hardly, employees were not in a position of power. If you were a bartender or waitress you were told suck it up or leave

To think they inhaled the filth of others voluntarily is ridiculous

Thankfully, you came along to the rescue to give voice to the powerless, amiright?

No. You. Don't.

Poor smokers

Once they were kings.....light up wherever, whenever you wanted. Then just throw your butt on the ground for someone else to pick up

Now they can't smoke at work, in public places, on planes and buses...even their own wife won't let them smoke in front of the children



.

 

[Pogo]

The point being, a fucking smoker isn't committing an individual act. He's involving everybody in the room whether they want to be involved or not

As I just wrote everybody in the room involves everybody else with what they exhale. Why pick on smokers and not others? I may dislike your rank breath as much as you dislike a smokers. Not that hard to understand.

I usually have to get within a few inches to smell someone's breath...I can smell the stench of a smoker as soon as I enter a room

So just don't enter that room if you find that objectionable. Who asked ya?

Just go smoke somewhere else

I'm metaphorically blowing smoke at my computer screen...... Breath deeply........

Whelp -- you just decreased its value if you sell it.

Ever notice how often you see "from a nonsmoking environment" as a selling point in classified ads for technology? Electronic equipment in general -- cars -- microphones are especially sensitive since you work so close to them. Then there's hotel reviews... I would say the negative most often mentioned is "was supposed to be a non smoking room, smelled like an ashtray".

 

[Disir]

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Smokers can't gamble unless they are stinking up the place?

What a bunch of pussies

You can be as vulgar and mean as you want. I already got what I wanted which was the fact that you were using employees as a matter of convenience when in reality.........you don't give a fuck. You have a good day.

Hardly, employees were not in a position of power. If you were a bartender or waitress you were told suck it up or leave

To think they inhaled the filth of others voluntarily is ridiculous

Thankfully, you came along to the rescue to give voice to the powerless, amiright?

No. You. Don't.

Poor smokers

Once they were kings.....light up wherever, whenever you wanted. Then just throw your butt on the ground for someone else to pick up

Now they can't smoke at work, in public places, on planes and buses...even their own wife won't let them smoke in front of the children

It's a cash thing. Something you fail to grasp. I bartended through college. Believe me when I tell you................there are all kinds of shit that goes down in bars and smoking was the least of the problems.

 

[Pogo]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

 

[Disir]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

Business' took a hit. A big hit. You knew what they were going in there.

 

[Pogo]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

I don't give a fuck...I knew it was an elevator when I walked in
Doesn't give you the right to attack me with your stench

Bartenders are doing just fine in states that ban smoking. They don't go home stinking to high hell either

Here is a suggestion. Don't use employees of any business like you are doing them a favor when really it is all about you. Business got hit. Over 42% in Michigan.Casinos in Illinois took a major hit.
No Ifs, Ands or Butts: Illinois Casinos Lost Revenue after Smoking Banned
http://www.smokersclub.com/banloss3.htm

Try again.

Smokers can't gamble unless they are stinking up the place?

What a bunch of pussies

They like to combine self-destruction methods. It's multitasking.

 

[rightwinger]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

Business' took a hit. A big hit. You knew what they were going in there.

Smokers initially threw a fit and said they would stay home
The sheepishly returned and agreed to take their filthy habit outside

 

[Disir]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

Business' took a hit. A big hit. You knew what they were going in there.

Smokers initially threw a fit and said they would stay home
The sheepishly returned and agreed to take their filthy habit outside

I've pointed out the opposite. Thanks.

 

[Pogo]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

Business' took a hit. A big hit. You knew what they were going in there.

And what I'm saying is, yeah everybody knew what it was before, and many were excluded.
Well ---- now they're not excluded.
Seems to me opening up an entire new population of customers would be good for business -- not bad.

Btw --- is there even any such thing as a restaurant with "smoking" and "non smoking" sections any more, or has it universally dawned on people that that can't work? Every one I see is entirely nonsmoking, and I'm in about as smoker a state (traditionally) as there is.

30, 40 years ago I thought it was state law that everybody in NC and Tennessee (tobacco country) was required to smoke. It seemed like it. Now --- it's rare to see it at all. I know of one farmer around here who still grows tobacco. One.

 

[Ringel05]

As I just wrote everybody in the room involves everybody else with what they exhale. Why pick on smokers and not others? I may dislike your rank breath as much as you dislike a smokers. Not that hard to understand.

I usually have to get within a few inches to smell someone's breath...I can smell the stench of a smoker as soon as I enter a room

So just don't enter that room if you find that objectionable. Who asked ya?

Just go smoke somewhere else

I'm metaphorically blowing smoke at my computer screen...... Breath deeply........

Whelp -- you just decreased its value if you sell it.

Ever notice how often you see "from a nonsmoking environment" as a selling point in classified ads for technology? Electronic equipment in general -- cars -- microphones are especially sensitive since you work so close to them. Then there's hotel reviews... I would say the negative most often mentioned is "was supposed to be a non smoking room, smelled like an ashtray".

I guess it might smell like an ashtray....... metaphorically speaking........

 

[Disir]

The most asinine argument ever made was the number of people who pretend to give a damn about the employees.

Did you know it was a bar walking in? There are 16 states that acknowledge that.

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

Business' took a hit. A big hit. You knew what they were going in there.

And what I'm saying is, yeah everybody knew what it was before, and many were excluded.
Well ---- now they're not excluded.
Seems to me opening up an entire new population of customers would be good for business -- not bad.

Btw --- is there even any such thing as a restaurant with "smoking" and "non smoking" sections any more, or has it universally dawned on people that that can't work? Every one I see is entirely nonsmoking, and I'm in about as smoker a state (traditionally) as there is.

30, 40 years ago I thought it was state law that everybody in NC and Tennessee (tobacco country) was required to smoke. It seemed like it. Now --- it's rare to see it at all. I know of one farmer around here who still grows tobacco. One.

State Smoking Restrictions for Worksites, Restaurants, and Bars

No one was excluded before.

 

[Pogo]

Since there are many more NON-smokers than smokers, that's not likely to be the cause of "a lot of bars and nightclubs" closing.

Admit it - you just made that up.

You're forgetting that drinkers are smokers.

And?

How does that impact what I wrote?

There are now more NON-smokers than smokers. Some drink alcohol and some don't.

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

It was so commonplace, thanks to WWI advertising, that the pressure on nonsmokers was insurmountable. There was no escape.

Whelp--- that just ain't the case any more.

 

[Pogo]

I usually have to get within a few inches to smell someone's breath...I can smell the stench of a smoker as soon as I enter a room

So just don't enter that room if you find that objectionable. Who asked ya?

Just go smoke somewhere else

I'm metaphorically blowing smoke at my computer screen...... Breath deeply........

Whelp -- you just decreased its value if you sell it.

Ever notice how often you see "from a nonsmoking environment" as a selling point in classified ads for technology? Electronic equipment in general -- cars -- microphones are especially sensitive since you work so close to them. Then there's hotel reviews... I would say the negative most often mentioned is "was supposed to be a non smoking room, smelled like an ashtray".

I guess it might smell like an ashtray....... metaphorically speaking........

You're prolly OK unless you put it up for sale on Metaphorical EBay.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You're forgetting that drinkers are smokers.

And?

How does that impact what I wrote?

There are now more NON-smokers than smokers. Some drink alcohol and some don't.

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

You're forgetting that drinkers are smokers.

And?

How does that impact what I wrote?

There are now more NON-smokers than smokers. Some drink alcohol and some don't.

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

 

[Pogo]

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

And?

How does that impact what I wrote?

There are now more NON-smokers than smokers. Some drink alcohol and some don't.

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

It's telling that the same Professional Denialists used by Big Tobacco to keep the profits coming at the consumers' expense until they could no longer defend their bullsht ---- are now employed by the Koch set for the same purpose, using the same tactics and (I guess) expecting different results this time.

The cigar(ette) -- the only product that, when used as the seller intended, is lethal.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

It's telling that the same Professional Denialists used by Big Tobacco to keep the profits coming at the consumers' expense until they could no longer defend their bullsht ---- are now employed by the Koch set for the same purpose, using the same tactics and (I guess) expecting different results this time.

The cigar(ette) -- the only product that, when used as the seller intended, is lethal.

Damn pogo you were not at the secrete democrat super talking point meeting?

Koch bros says now AGW is real..

Have to use another boogie man.

 

[rightwinger]

Used to be all states. Smoking in public is becoming a social and legal atrocity. In NJ it is even being banned on beaches

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

Business' took a hit. A big hit. You knew what they were going in there.

Smokers initially threw a fit and said they would stay home
The sheepishly returned and agreed to take their filthy habit outside

I've pointed out the opposite. Thanks.

You showed a one year drop. You failed to report what happened the following six years

 

[rightwinger]

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

And?

How does that impact what I wrote?

There are now more NON-smokers than smokers. Some drink alcohol and some don't.

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

Same old....cigarettes don't cause cancer

We need more study

 

[Disir]

I am aware of this. Sixteen states. Did you know it was a bar when you walked in? If most of the people that come into your bar smoke and that ends...................the bartender stops being able to make rent. Simple stuff. Tell me you care.

Bars are going out of business are they?

Don't think they benefit from a new influx of non-smokers who couldn't go there before?
Or do you actually think everybody who drinks, smokes?

Business' took a hit. A big hit. You knew what they were going in there.

Smokers initially threw a fit and said they would stay home
The sheepishly returned and agreed to take their filthy habit outside

I've pointed out the opposite. Thanks.

You showed a one year drop. You failed to report what happened the following six years

I provided you with information showing bars shutting down.

 

[Pogo]

Actually there have always been more nonsmokers than smokers. Even after Big Tobacco hooked army vets in World War One and propagated the whole thing via mass media, smokers never exceeded about 40% of the population (here).

Check out how times change --- watch what Mike Wallace does in the first ten seconds here:

​

Can you imagine anybody doing that now?

Evidence like this lets us know it wasn't that long ago at all that we were subhuman knuckledraggers. And in many things still are.

Winston commercial from 1961.......imagine if they did something like that today?

In 1950s some DOCTORS were still recommending cigarettes to some asthma patients. The Journ Amer Med Assoc ran CIGARETTE ads til the late 50s. And only 1/3 of US doctors in 1960 were convinced about the evidence of health risks.. Wasn't just the Tobacco companies in denial back then. People try to make it MORE of a conspiracy than it was.

It was much like climate science --- whole lotta denial going on, whole lotta "yeah that evidence is overwhelming but still doesn't prove it" as we've seen in this thread. But there was also common knowledge that it was (is) a vile practice with lots of negatives.

This is from 1947 --very popular Western Swing of the era

​

FWIW the singer, Tex Williams, died of lung cancer, at age 68. About the same age my smoker grandfather died of the same thing --- when I was four years old.

In those times it wasn't at all unusual for people in their 60s to just keel over from heart attacks, if not get slowly wasted by creeping carcinoma. The curtailment of smoking is a main reason life expectancy has gone up since.

Glad you brought it up pogo..no denial, but no scientific facts on 2nd hand smokes or man made climate change..

All you can say is it is icky, yucky and try to manipulate data for your gain.

Same old....cigarettes don't cause cancer

We need more study

Aye, we do. Because the Big Tobacco General has determined that coming to obvious conclusions about cancer may be hazardous to the profit margin's health.