Holocaust Denial: Nope

[Penelope]

There is a simple reason for the criminalization of Holocaust Denial in Europe... the actual danger of Nazi resurgence.

When the Nazis were destroyed by the Allies in 1945, millions of loyal Nazis survived and many of those would have loved to have seen Nazism reborn in a kinder, gentler, less murdery way. Nazism was popular with Germans before the end of World War 2 and even had many fans in Europe, Britain, and America.

The Nazis are irrevocably linked in History to the slaughter of millions of Jewish civilians. For this alone, it has poisoned the ideology to the point it can never be revived.

But, many believe, if they can erase the connection between Nazi ideology and The Holocaust, it will pave the way for Nazism to return as a political system.

Fearing a real threat from former Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, most of Europe criminalized the denial or trivialization of The Holocaust to prevent just such a resurgence.

How many are there? I've never met one though I have met a few anti-Israel mob who are Holocaust Deniers. (They conflate Holocaust Denial and anti-Israeli sentiments). Their root is not Nazism but anti-American Socialism/Communism. One look at that idiot Corbyn and you see this in action.

On Wednesday, the Politics Home website reported that the U.K. Labour Party leader (at the time a backbencher) signed a parliamentary motion in 2011 calling for Holocaust Memorial Day to be renamed.

Corbyn backed a proposal by John McDonnell that Britain should rename the event Genocide Memorial Day – Never Again for Anyone. (McDonnell is now Corbyn's shadow chancellor in the opposition.) Further, the debate was slated to take place on Holocaust Memorial Day.

Reducing the importance of the Holocaust is merely a step towards condemning Israel and the US.

Greg

You are really an idiot aren't you. The holocaust never happened, it happened only to the jews.

 

[mdk]

I've always rather enjoyed people making these silly viewpoints known. It makes avoiding fools all the easier when they self-identify.

I've been to Buchenwald.

One of the most sobering moments of my life

I have a family connection to Łódź and we did a tour of Auschwitz on our last visit. Such a haunting place. You can almost feel the suffering in the air and soil. I'll never understand man's capacity to be so cruel and inhumane.

 

[SweetSue92]

I don't understand why we allowed Germany to stand after WW2 to be honest.

Americans don't put conquered nations to the sword ... we are not, after all, Nazis.

Not just America--all of Europe, plus America.

I believe my children's children--or generations after--will come to deeply regret that we let Germany stand.

 

[Penelope]

What I have never understood, is, why is it so important to force others to think the same as they think? Why call folks names if they don't believe why you believe? Why is this a threat to ones ego if they believe in something different? I just don't get this.

If other people want to believe in unicorns and little green men, why does it insult others that are sure they don't exist?


Why is that an affront? Why can't people have free thought?

There is no "my truth" and "your truth".

There is only THE truth. And I'm not even sorry to tell you this, I will stand on it 'til the day I die and beyond, Thank Jesus.

We had 2 WW's , one and two, and the second had much more fatalities. Most died of starvation and typhus in the concentration (work) camps.

 

[SweetSue92]

Read and weep. I prefer to look at it as WWII as the amount of Jewish deaths that occurred are smaller in number, as well as one could say , the Jews started it as evidenced by "Judea declares war on Germany" in 1933, even though they were paying for WWI and the great depression hit the whole globe.
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The Poles, like the Jews, were considered by the Nazis to be “Untermenschen” (sub-humans) to be extinguished. The goal of Operation Tannenberg was to identify the members of the Polish middle class: public officials, scholars, actors, Catholic clergy, and murder them. It is estimated that in the norther part of Poland called Pomerania, which was of special German interest, 36,000 to 42,000 Poles were killed in mass executions before the end of 1939.

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But it is also true that Poles were targeted for extermination as well. Since the Polish population was much larger than the Jewish one, the methods employed to extinguish the Poles were to be different.

The first targets were prominent citizens and intellectuals, and political opposition – people suspected of being members of the underground resistance.

The first mass transport to Auschwitz occurred on June 14, 1940, and included 728 Polish political prisoners and a small group of Jews.

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The Jews had to wear the Star of David; the Poles had to wear a red triangle. They were equally brutalized, deprived of their humanity and condemned to death. In the concentration and labor camps they lived longer; in the death camps they were subjected to immediate murder. But in the eyes of their German oppressors, their fate was meant to be same.

Today Auschwitz is a symbol of the Jewish Holocaust. It is true that the Poles were mainly in Auschwitz I, which was a concentration camp, whereas the majority of the Jews was directed straight to Birkenau, which was a death camp. However, since they were both classified as Untermenschen, both Jews and Poles would ultimately face extermination.

Poland and the Jews: A few facts about Poland's WWII history

So you have come around? You admit now that Jews actually were exterminated in gas chambers in mass numbers?

Just so you can save your breath: yes, WW2 was a horrid atrocity for many people and millions and millions died who were NOT Jewish. We know this, Penny.

No, I do not even suggest the Poles and Jews were killed in ovens, they were probably buried deep or burned, that is what you do with dead bodies.

So you couldn't do it, you had to link for us how many people died in WW2. We know this Penny. But let's get down to it. Did or did not the Nazis engage in a systemic extermination of the Jews, including gas chambers, or not?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I've always rather enjoyed people making these silly viewpoints known. It makes avoiding fools all the easier when they self-identify.

I've been to Buchenwald.

One of the most sobering moments of my life

I have a family connection to Łódź and we did a tour of Auschwitz on our last visit. Such a haunting place. You can almost feel the suffering in the air and soil. I'll never understand man's capacity to be so cruel and inhumane.

I want to take our children to Auschwitz.

Life lessons....

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Read and weep. I prefer to look at it as WWII as the amount of Jewish deaths that occurred are smaller in number, as well as one could say , the Jews started it as evidenced by "Judea declares war on Germany" in 1933, even though they were paying for WWI and the great depression hit the whole globe.
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The Poles, like the Jews, were considered by the Nazis to be “Untermenschen” (sub-humans) to be extinguished. The goal of Operation Tannenberg was to identify the members of the Polish middle class: public officials, scholars, actors, Catholic clergy, and murder them. It is estimated that in the norther part of Poland called Pomerania, which was of special German interest, 36,000 to 42,000 Poles were killed in mass executions before the end of 1939.

Snip

But it is also true that Poles were targeted for extermination as well. Since the Polish population was much larger than the Jewish one, the methods employed to extinguish the Poles were to be different.

The first targets were prominent citizens and intellectuals, and political opposition – people suspected of being members of the underground resistance.

The first mass transport to Auschwitz occurred on June 14, 1940, and included 728 Polish political prisoners and a small group of Jews.

Snip

The Jews had to wear the Star of David; the Poles had to wear a red triangle. They were equally brutalized, deprived of their humanity and condemned to death. In the concentration and labor camps they lived longer; in the death camps they were subjected to immediate murder. But in the eyes of their German oppressors, their fate was meant to be same.

Today Auschwitz is a symbol of the Jewish Holocaust. It is true that the Poles were mainly in Auschwitz I, which was a concentration camp, whereas the majority of the Jews was directed straight to Birkenau, which was a death camp. However, since they were both classified as Untermenschen, both Jews and Poles would ultimately face extermination.

Poland and the Jews: A few facts about Poland's WWII history

So you have come around? You admit now that Jews actually were exterminated in gas chambers in mass numbers?

Just so you can save your breath: yes, WW2 was a horrid atrocity for many people and millions and millions died who were NOT Jewish. We know this, Penny.

No, I do not even suggest the Poles and Jews were killed in ovens, they were probably buried deep or burned, that is what you do with dead bodies.

So you couldn't do it, you had to link for us how many people died in WW2. We know this Penny. But let's get down to it. Did or did not the Nazis engage in a systemic extermination of the Jews, including gas chambers, or not?

Of course they did and anyone who says otherwise deserves to be mocked for their ignorance

 

[SweetSue92]

Read and weep. I prefer to look at it as WWII as the amount of Jewish deaths that occurred are smaller in number, as well as one could say , the Jews started it as evidenced by "Judea declares war on Germany" in 1933, even though they were paying for WWI and the great depression hit the whole globe.
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The Poles, like the Jews, were considered by the Nazis to be “Untermenschen” (sub-humans) to be extinguished. The goal of Operation Tannenberg was to identify the members of the Polish middle class: public officials, scholars, actors, Catholic clergy, and murder them. It is estimated that in the norther part of Poland called Pomerania, which was of special German interest, 36,000 to 42,000 Poles were killed in mass executions before the end of 1939.

Snip

But it is also true that Poles were targeted for extermination as well. Since the Polish population was much larger than the Jewish one, the methods employed to extinguish the Poles were to be different.

The first targets were prominent citizens and intellectuals, and political opposition – people suspected of being members of the underground resistance.

The first mass transport to Auschwitz occurred on June 14, 1940, and included 728 Polish political prisoners and a small group of Jews.

Snip

The Jews had to wear the Star of David; the Poles had to wear a red triangle. They were equally brutalized, deprived of their humanity and condemned to death. In the concentration and labor camps they lived longer; in the death camps they were subjected to immediate murder. But in the eyes of their German oppressors, their fate was meant to be same.

Today Auschwitz is a symbol of the Jewish Holocaust. It is true that the Poles were mainly in Auschwitz I, which was a concentration camp, whereas the majority of the Jews was directed straight to Birkenau, which was a death camp. However, since they were both classified as Untermenschen, both Jews and Poles would ultimately face extermination.

Poland and the Jews: A few facts about Poland's WWII history

So you have come around? You admit now that Jews actually were exterminated in gas chambers in mass numbers?

Just so you can save your breath: yes, WW2 was a horrid atrocity for many people and millions and millions died who were NOT Jewish. We know this, Penny.

No, I do not even suggest the Poles and Jews were killed in ovens, they were probably buried deep or burned, that is what you do with dead bodies.

No Penny, they were killed in gas chambers and then put in ovens.

 

[K9Buck]

...the jews want to make it all about themselves and I refuse to do that.

That's not true at all. That is a bizarre statement. I knew you were a leftist, I didn't know you were insane.

 

[SweetSue92]

...the jews want to make it all about themselves and I refuse to do that.

That's not true at all. That is a bizarre statement. I knew you were a leftist, I didn't know you were insane.

I would just like to know who got to her.

 

[Penelope]

So, bring it Penelope. Let's see all your best, um, "evidence".

If she responds, it will probably be in the form of a link to an article by some nutcase.

On another note, articles should be linked to BACK one's argument, not make it. One shouldn't need to post a link to an argument that they should be able to make themselves. To do so is intellectually lazy.

So, bring it Penelope. Let's see all your best, um, "evidence".

If she responds, it will probably be in the form of a link to an article by some nutcase.

On another note, articles should be linked to BACK one's argument, not make it. One shouldn't need to post a link to an argument that they should be able to make themselves. To do so is intellectually lazy.

Actually my first post is from J Post site, and the second from the History site.

 

[K9Buck]

No, I do not even suggest the Poles and Jews were killed in ovens, they were probably buried deep or burned, that is what you do with dead bodies.

Most of the Jews exterminated by the Nazis were shot and buried in mass graves.

 

[TNHarley]

The holocaust happened, it just wasnt that bad
Im part jew, so i can say that

 

[SweetSue92]

So, bring it Penelope. Let's see all your best, um, "evidence".

If she responds, it will probably be in the form of a link to an article by some nutcase.

On another note, articles should be linked to BACK one's argument, not make it. One shouldn't need to post a link to an argument that they should be able to make themselves. To do so is intellectually lazy.

So, bring it Penelope. Let's see all your best, um, "evidence".

If she responds, it will probably be in the form of a link to an article by some nutcase.

On another note, articles should be linked to BACK one's argument, not make it. One shouldn't need to post a link to an argument that they should be able to make themselves. To do so is intellectually lazy.

Actually my first post is from J Post site, and the second from the History site.

We don't need stats on how many people died total in WW2. That makes no point that all of us who are sane and reasonable don't understand. We know a lot of people died who were not Jewish for all kinds of reasons.

We want to know if YOU understand that the Nazis systemically and purposely fed Jewish men, women and children in to gas chambers BECAUSE they were Jewish. By the millions.

Everyone else weigh in. Yes, I understand this so to be well-established, historical fact--Sue

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The holocaust happened, it just wasnt that bad
Im part jew, so i can say that

Wtf? It just wasnt that bad?

Your cred just tanked on here

 

[Penelope]

To refer to WWII as the Holocaust makes everyone else's death in vain. Its only the Holocaust to jews.

and they can call it whatever they want , but I do not need too.

 

[K9Buck]

Most died of starvation and typhus in the concentration (work) camps.

The Germans did use some Jews for slave labor, but the camps they were in were death camps, not "concentration" camps. The vast majority of Jews sent to Auschwitz, for instance, were dead within an hour of their arrival.

 

[gtopa1]

Yawn: Holocaust Deniers, #MuellerDeniers, low functioning morons; all peas in a pod.

Greg

Do you have anything to add to the OP, if not we can do away with your opinions.

So you belong to that select group; figures.

Auschwitz as a center for the extermination of the Jews
In 1942-1944, as part of the “final solution of the Jewish question” (Endlösung der Judenfrage), Auschwitz served as the largest Nazi center for the destruction of the Jewish population of the European countries occupied by and allied to the Third Reich.

The majority of the Jews who arrived in Auschwitz in transports organized by the Reich Main Security Office (RSHA), at least 1.1 million people including more than 200 thousand children and young people, were killed in the gas chambers immediately or soon after arrival. These deportees included many figures from Jewish intellectual life: scholars and artists, including, for instance, the Polish-Jewish poet and dramatist Icchak Kacenelson (Itzhak Katzenelson), author of the poem Song of the Murdered Jewish People, who was one of a group of literary figures deported in May 1944.

Through the middle of July 1942, some of the transports arriving in Auschwitz were sent directly to the gas chambers, while other Jews, classified before deportation as fit for labor, were placed in the camp, as was the case with the Jews who arrived in the first transports from Slovakia.

On July 4, 1942 at the latest, regular selection was introduced for the Jews arriving on RSHA transports. As a result, an average of only 20% of them were kept alive and placed in the camp as prisoners capable of performing slave labor. They were employed mostly in constructing new parts of the camp, or at German companies involved in maintaining and developing the military potential of the Third Reich. They were transferred on a mass scale from Auschwitz to sub-camps set up nearby or in Upper Silesia, or to concentration camps in the depths of the Third Reich.

By the second half of 1942, Jews made up a majority of the prisoner population. They account for somewhat more than half of the 400 thousand prisoners registered in Auschwitz. The majority of them died either while they were in Auschwitz or after transfer to other camps.

There were instances in which the SS made exceptions to the practice of immediately selecting the Jews arriving in RSHA transports. This was the case, for instance, with the men, women, and children deported in seven transports, in September and December 1943 and May 1944, from the Theresienstadt ghetto-camp at Terezin in Czechoslovakia. All of them, about 18 thousand people, were placed in the so-called Czech family camp in Birkenau (sector BIIb). About 10 thousand of them were killed in the gas chambers in March and July 1944.

Auschwitz as a center for the extermination of the Jews / Jews in Auschwitz / Categories of prisoners / History / Auschwitz-Birkenau

You lied by omission !! This is from YOUR OWN SOURCE!!

Greg

 

[SweetSue92]

The holocaust happened, it just wasnt that bad
Im part jew, so i can say that

Doesn't matter what you are, if you say that the gas chambers didn't exist, you're denying historical facts. Probably out of some kind of ideology or agenda.

So, that's crazy.

 

[K9Buck]

I would just like to know who got to her.

Luis Farrakhan?