Hitler and the right

[Jroc]

See the difference?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE]Obama open mic slip: 'After my election I have more flexibility' - YouTube[/ame]

 

[westwall]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

The problem with the thesis however is that Nazi's, Communists, and other socialists of that ilk are fundamentally the same. They are all collectivist governments where the State takes precedence over the individual. Show me how living under Hitlers Germany was any different from living under Stalins Russia....well Stalin murdered more of his population than Hitler did, that's one difference.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Hayek
Fascism defined it the best:

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization"​

Peter Drucker had a nice one:

"the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia
to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following.
Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion,
and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."​

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hayek and Drucker? Oh, my.

 

[koshergrl]

What remains the same is the people who support the tyrants...they are always progressive types who can be duped into lowering the importance of human rights in order to serve the alleged "greater good".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, it was so far from communism that it became rightwing.

if it became rightwing then the government became smaller and smaller!!

see why we are positive a liberal will be slow, very very slow??

There has never been a rightwing government that became smaller.

Are you this stupid in real life?

You must be ignorant of the Coolidge and Harding Administrations

 

[regent]

if it became rightwing then the government became smaller and smaller!!

see why we are positive a liberal will be slow, very very slow??

There has never been a rightwing government that became smaller.

Are you this stupid in real life?

You must be ignorant of the Coolidge and Harding Administrations

Coolidge and Harding? Surely, Reagan reduced the size of government? After all his many quotes on the size of government I suspect he at least halved the size. Anyone know?

 

[Ravi]

There has never been a rightwing government that became smaller.

Are you this stupid in real life?

You must be ignorant of the Coolidge and Harding Administrations

Coolidge and Harding? Surely, Reagan reduced the size of government? After all his many quotes on the size of government I suspect he at least halved the size. Anyone know?

I hope that isn't a serious question. The answer is no, he more than doubled it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ever notice when progressive ideology is shown for the failure it is and how it normally causes facism and death they just deny that it is true socialism or communism like we are all to Fucking stupid to see them punking out.

Yes like how Reagan is in charge of Obama's economy. Progressives are pathological lairs

 

[Jroc]

There has never been a rightwing government that became smaller.

Are you this stupid in real life?

You must be ignorant of the Coolidge and Harding Administrations

Coolidge and Harding? Surely, Reagan reduced the size of government? After all his many quotes on the size of government I suspect he at least halved the size. Anyone know?

Regan tried to cut much more but he was screwed by the Demcratic congress, and no he didn't cut defense nor should he have. Bush and Clinton benefited from the fall of the Soviet Union

•President Reagan is the only president to have cut the budget of the Department of Housing and Urban Development in one of his terms (a total of 40.1 percent during his second term).
•President Reagan is the only president to have cut the budget of the Department of Transportation. He cut it by 10.5 percent during his first term and by 7.5 percent during his second term.
•During his first term in office, President Reagan cut the real budget of the Department of Education by 18.6 percent, while President Nixon increased it (that is the education part of what was then the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare) by 19.1 percent. That budget increased by 22.2 percent under Bush 41 and by 38.5 percent under Carter. Our current president has increased it by a whooping 67.6 percent.
•Reagan managed to cut the budget of the Department of Commerce by 29 percent in constant dollars during his first term and by 3 percent during his second one. President Clinton by contrast increased the department’s budget by 24 percent in his first term and then by 96.7 percent in his second term.
•President Reagan cut the real budget of the Department of Agriculture by 24 percent during his second term in office.
•President Reagan never cut the budgets of the departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, or State.

President Reagan, Champion Budget-Cutter - Economics - AEI

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No, it was so far from communism that it became rightwing.

if it became rightwing then the government became smaller and smaller!!

see why we are positive a liberal will be slow, very very slow??

There has never been a rightwing government that became smaller.

The issue is whether government should be smaller as our Founders believed, not whether it normally follows the path to liberal tyranny.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.- Jefferson

 

[Bfgrn]

Good for Mitt Romney, telling the truth about Putin's Russian tyranny

On foreign policy he has also just made an important intervention. His speech in Poland, hailing the country as a key bastion of democracy, was notable for the way in which he also told the truth about Russia under Vladimir Putin. The show trials, oppression of the opposition and sinister security apparat demonstrate that Russia is back in a very dark place. Romney bracketed the country's government with other tyrannies:

"Unfortunately, there are parts of the world today where the desire to be free is met with brutal oppression. Just to the east of here, the people of Belarus suffer under the oppressive weight of dictatorship. The Arab world is undergoing a historic upheaval, one that holds promise, but also risk and uncertainty. A ruthless dictator in Syria has killed thousands of his own people. In Latin America, Hugo Chávez leads a movement characterised by authoritarianism and repression. Nations in Africa are fighting to resist the threat of violent radical jihadism. And in Russia, once-promising advances toward a free and open society have faltered."

Good for Mitt Romney, telling the truth about Putin's Russian tyranny – Telegraph Blogs

Yes, that is right. In Russia, once-promising advances toward a free and open society have faltered. Those once promising advance were initiated by Mikhail Gorbachev, and here is WHY they have faltered.

February 27, 1989

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

While many candidates and voters say they view the elections to the new Congress of Deputies as a way to further the candor and freedoms allowed by the Soviet leader, conservatives in this city and around the country were boasting last week that they had already succeeded in blocking the nomination of several prominent people regarded as liberals.

''You see the work of our hand,'' said Pavel G. Ivanov, a retired truck driver, gloating at the defeat of Vitaly A. Korotich, a magazine editor despised by conservatives as the exemplar of the new permissiveness. ''And you will see it more.''

A Disparate Alliance

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

It is impossible to accurately gauge the extent of their influence or their support among nominees, but it is clear that conservatives are seizing upon the March 26 election, which Mr. Gorbachev has described as the key step toward greater democracy, to promote their political platform.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists''

Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas.

'I Am a Stalinist'

''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Prominent among the speeches and the placards at conservative political gatherings is support for Pamyat (Russian for ''memory''), which has been repeatedly criticized in the Soviet press for anti-Semitism.

Kira A. Korneyenkova was at the rally last Sunday outside the Ostankino Television Center, and she joined several hundred other people in enthusiastic cheers as speaker after speaker called for a fight against ''liberal, Zionist forces'' that seek to control Soviet society.

''I am a Stalinist,'' the 53-year-old schoolteacher said proudly, ''and I think our so-called glasnost has divided our nation. It is our duty to fight against such elements.''

 

[westwall]

Only a leftist imbecile would accuse conservatives of being communists! Here's a primer for you idiot, conservatives support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen.

Leftist collectivists (like you) believe the State should have the power and the individual should be subjugated to the power of that State.

Got it?

 

[Bfgrn]

Only a leftist imbecile would accuse conservatives of being communists! Here's a primer for you idiot, conservatives support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen.

Leftist collectivists (like you) believe the State should have the power and the individual should be subjugated to the power of that State.

Got it?

Oh, thats right! Conservatives in Russia support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen. Conservatives in Russia espouse all the virtues of Americana; they warmly embrace the US Constitution, can recite the Declaration of Independence by heart. They love capitalism and the 'invisible hand'

 

[Neotrotsky]

Only a leftist imbecile would accuse conservatives of being communists! Here's a primer for you idiot, conservatives support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen.

Leftist collectivists (like you) believe the State should have the power and the individual should be subjugated to the power of that State.

Got it?

They also have a poor understanding of the language

They somehow think the "conservative" equates to all conservatives
and the word liberal equates all liberals.

Either a purposely deceptive interpretation or
one of true ignorance

I suspect it is the last


No doubt rap and Beethoven's Symphony #9 can both be called
music- that is where it ends


But, in keeping with the logic of the left
Pizza must be liberal since it says:

" Apply cheese liberally"


Even the Soviet Communists called other Soviet Communists who did not
agree with them moving too slowing in the direction of communism , "Fascists"


By their measure

JFK has more in common with Reagan than Papa Obama
Therefore JFK was a conservative, just like today

 

[daveman]

Only a leftist imbecile would accuse conservatives of being communists! Here's a primer for you idiot, conservatives support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen.

Leftist collectivists (like you) believe the State should have the power and the individual should be subjugated to the power of that State.

Got it?

Oh, thats right! Conservatives in Russia support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen. Conservatives in Russia espouse all the virtues of Americana; they warmly embrace the US Constitution, can recite the Declaration of Independence by heart. They love capitalism and the 'invisible hand'

There's some of that binary, black-and-white thinking the left accuses the right of practicing -- but it's almost exclusive to the left.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

-- Hamlet by William Shakespeare: Act 1. Scene V

 

[Bfgrn]

Only a leftist imbecile would accuse conservatives of being communists! Here's a primer for you idiot, conservatives support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen.

Leftist collectivists (like you) believe the State should have the power and the individual should be subjugated to the power of that State.

Got it?

Oh, thats right! Conservatives in Russia support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen. Conservatives in Russia espouse all the virtues of Americana; they warmly embrace the US Constitution, can recite the Declaration of Independence by heart. They love capitalism and the 'invisible hand'

There's some of that binary, black-and-white thinking the left accuses the right of practicing -- but it's almost exclusive to the left.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

-- Hamlet by William Shakespeare: Act 1. Scene V

WOW, you should take Shakespeare's wisdom. But, conservatives in America believe they are the center of the universe, and any other philosophy must be dismissed. EVEN when it is the conservatism of other conservatives on this planet.

October 16, 2001

What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.

In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc.

Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.

But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances.
M. Hadeishi

 

[daveman]

Oh, thats right! Conservatives in Russia support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen. Conservatives in Russia espouse all the virtues of Americana; they warmly embrace the US Constitution, can recite the Declaration of Independence by heart. They love capitalism and the 'invisible hand'

There's some of that binary, black-and-white thinking the left accuses the right of practicing -- but it's almost exclusive to the left.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

-- Hamlet by William Shakespeare: Act 1. Scene V

WOW, you should take Shakespeare's wisdom. But, conservatives in America believe they are the center of the universe, and any other philosophy must be dismissed. EVEN when it is the conservatism of other conservatives on this planet.

October 16, 2001

What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.

In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc.

Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.

When discussing American politics, only American conservatism is applicable.

But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances.
M. Hadeishi

The American left calls for the same policies that are sinking Europe, but insists what's happening to the European economies can't happen here.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

 

[Bfgrn]

There's some of that binary, black-and-white thinking the left accuses the right of practicing -- but it's almost exclusive to the left.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

-- Hamlet by William Shakespeare: Act 1. Scene V

WOW, you should take Shakespeare's wisdom. But, conservatives in America believe they are the center of the universe, and any other philosophy must be dismissed. EVEN when it is the conservatism of other conservatives on this planet.

October 16, 2001

What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.

In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc.

Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.

When discussing American politics, only American conservatism is applicable.

But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances.
M. Hadeishi

The American left calls for the same policies that are sinking Europe, but insists what's happening to the European economies can't happen here.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

Hitler was an American?

Oh yea, the Sarah Palin syndrome... Africa (Europe) is a country...

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

 

[Jroc]

Only a leftist imbecile would accuse conservatives of being communists! Here's a primer for you idiot, conservatives support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen.

Leftist collectivists (like you) believe the State should have the power and the individual should be subjugated to the power of that State.

Got it?

Oh, thats right! Conservatives in Russia support limited government with maximum freedoms for the citizen. Conservatives in Russia espouse all the virtues of Americana; they warmly embrace the US Constitution, can recite the Declaration of Independence by heart. They love capitalism and the 'invisible hand'

You're delusional Conservatives in Russia long for the days of the Soviet Union. Conservatives in America long for the days of limited Constitutional government. The two don't equate…. I hate keeping this stupid ass thread going. It should be in the conspriacy room with the rest of the nut job threads