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I thought this might be a thread about how one profoundly damaged, arrogant, pugilistic, white, authoritarian, nationalist man can somehow gain the cult-like, aggressive, unconditional adoration of millions of people who enable all of his worst impulses and actions by refusing to hold him accountable for anything. The world saw this play out 80, 90 years ago, and it's stunning that we're seeing it again, in America, of all places. This is un-American.

But yes, our hardcore (Regressive) Left has systematically been ignoring and mocking the most liberal of all American values, Freedom of Expression. America is the last country on the planet that should have a populace that is afraid to express itself for fear of literal punishment and damage to their very lives. The last country on the planet that should have a populace that feels intimidated from speaking its mind in the first place. This is un-American.

The two ends of our spectrum, as they currently exist, are killing us. In real time, as we watch. They're suffocating America and shattering its uniqueness with their tribalism, egos, narcissism, hubris and actions.

Self-inflicted wound.
Ah yes, the "both sides are killing us" mantra.

Well it is true that Trump is the first President to vocally acknowledge and fight the Left wing partisan nature of the press, academia, and most of the federal government as most other Republican Presidents have avoided a coup attempt in the process. And it is equally true that demagogues like John McCain, who ran and voted to end things like Obamacare when Obama was in office knowing he would veto it, but then voting against it when Trump was there to sign it, are accomplices to the Left winged agenda. But then, John got to go out on a good note as the press lavished praise for him when he spoke out against Trump, as where when he ran against Obama he was labeled a racist who depended on his daddy for promotion in the Navy.

Notice no one on the left was decried by the press for such attacks on a "war hero".
And, of course, wingers on both sides only see the faults of the other.
when you are an extreme winger you are guilty so much of what you bitch about.

Wanna fix it? stop doing it.
I know that, to an obedient Trumpster, anyone who doesn't unconditionally support him is an "extreme winger", even though I so regularly go after the Regressive Left.

You left out "radical" and "commie", by the way. Get the talking points down.

After all, you heard it on the radio.
 
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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
 

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Here is a chilling comparison to the Russian revolution to what is going on now in the US.


Terrorism was used by the radicals by burning down things, looting, etc. Check

PC was used to control speech and terrorize people into submission. Check

The wealthy in Russia funded these radicals, and without them, they could not have succeeded. Check.

The party was everything, infallible, and ruled with an iron fist as many who founded the party were later murdered by it like its founder Lennon. The party was the source all morality. Check

The revolutionaries were mostly atheistic, socialistic, and dedicated to all intellectualism devoid of religion. Check.
Thanks for the comparison Capt Hyperbole
 

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I thought this might be a thread about how one profoundly damaged, arrogant, pugilistic, white, authoritarian, nationalist man can somehow gain the cult-like, aggressive, unconditional adoration of millions of people who enable all of his worst impulses and actions by refusing to hold him accountable for anything. The world saw this play out 80, 90 years ago, and it's stunning that we're seeing it again, in America, of all places. This is un-American.

But yes, our hardcore (Regressive) Left has systematically been ignoring and mocking the most liberal of all American values, Freedom of Expression. America is the last country on the planet that should have a populace that is afraid to express itself for fear of literal punishment and damage to their very lives. The last country on the planet that should have a populace that feels intimidated from speaking its mind in the first place. This is un-American.

The two ends of our spectrum, as they currently exist, are killing us. In real time, as we watch. They're suffocating America and shattering its uniqueness with their tribalism, egos, narcissism, hubris and actions.

Self-inflicted wound.

1. Why do you mention Trump's race?

2. Nothing wrong with nationalism. Especially American Nationalism.
Stop mixing the idea of "American Nationalism" with "white nationalism" and spreading the idea that American culture is the same as "white culture" (whatever this is supposed to be), accept the fact that Americans are a very diverse group of people. Our ancestors came from all the nations on this planet. Recognize that this fact is the foundation of our national identity.
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
Who cares?! We know that Communism is the best! (Almost) everybody is Equal!
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
Who cares?! We know that Communism is the best! (Almost) everybody is Equal!
Do you know anything about history at all? Things happened centuries before the word "communism" was even invented. Many bad things. You don't want a repeat, do you? Why support authoritarian rule of any variety, when thousands of years of history show is that it sucks. Political power must never be concentrated in the hands of one single individual or a small group of individuals. You monarchists don't seem to understand this.
 

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Here is a chilling comparison to the Russian revolution to what is going on now in the US.


Terrorism was used by the radicals by burning down things, looting, etc. Check

PC was used to control speech and terrorize people into submission. Check

The wealthy in Russia funded these radicals, and without them, they could not have succeeded. Check.

The party was everything, infallible, and ruled with an iron fist as many who founded the party were later murdered by it like its founder Lennon. The party was the source all morality. Check

The revolutionaries were mostly atheistic, socialistic, and dedicated to all intellectualism devoid of religion. Check.
Interesting, thanks
 

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I thought this might be a thread about how one profoundly damaged, arrogant, pugilistic, white, authoritarian, nationalist man can somehow gain the aggressive, unconditional adoration of millions of people who enable all of his worst impulses and actions by refusing to hold him accountable for anything. The world saw this play out 80, 90 years ago, and it's stunning that we're seeing it again, in America, of all places. This is un-American.

But yes, our hardcore (Regressive) Left has systematically been ignoring and mocking the most liberal of all American values, Freedom of Expression. America is the last country on the planet that should have a populace that is afraid to express itself for fear of literal punishment and damage to their very lives. The last country on the planet that should have a populace that feels intimidated from speaking its mind in the first place. This is un-American.

The two ends of our spectrum, as they currently exist, are killing us. In real time, as we watch. They're suffocating America and shattering its uniqueness with their tribalism, egos, narcissism, hubris and actions.

Self-inflicted wound.
Here is the thing. If the left-extreme gain full control they can and will fundamentally change the US forever. They will expand the Supreme Court so they can stack it, they will likely attemp to remove the electoral college, decrease border control, give illegals free healthcare creating a huge increase in illegal border crossings, raise taxes on the working classes(not the ultra-wealthy, they have many ways to offset income), etc. Anyone who has actually thought it through can recognize the dangeres of letting a party like that gain control.

The problem is the hatred for Trump, the man, as evidenced your first paragraph. It is a very childish way of determining how to vote, like voting for the popular kid running for elementary school class president who promises free pizza on Fridays instead of the kid who has actual plans that will work to help the school. You guys can't get out of elementary school. It is a sad plight, but God knows you can't tell anything to pretensious liberals who think they know everything.
Or, we just disagree with his observable behaviors, impulses and actions.

But you can certainly run with the story that you are provided in your reality.





Stop trying to derail the thread you pootin putz.
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
Who cares?! We know that Communism is the best! (Almost) everybody is Equal!
Do you know anything about history at all? Things happened centuries before the word "communism" was even invented. Many bad things. You don't want a repeat, do you? Why support authoritarian rule of any variety, when thousands of years of history show is that it sucks. Political power must never be concentrated in the hands of one single individual or a small group of individuals. You monarchists don't seem to understand this.
All I know is that Communism is the best, happiest, greatest system ever! Whatever came before is always bad, bad, bad! Pick any form of government and it's ALWAYS better for (a small handful of political leaders) everyone, once they turn to the happiness of Communism.

Who needs history when we have Communism?
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
Who cares?! We know that Communism is the best! (Almost) everybody is Equal!
Do you know anything about history at all? Things happened centuries before the word "communism" was even invented. Many bad things. You don't want a repeat, do you? Why support authoritarian rule of any variety, when thousands of years of history show is that it sucks. Political power must never be concentrated in the hands of one single individual or a small group of individuals. You monarchists don't seem to understand this.
All I know is that Communism is the best, happiest, greatest system ever! Whatever came before is always bad, bad, bad! Pick any form of government and it's ALWAYS better for (a small handful of political leaders) everyone, once they turn to the happiness of Communism.

Who needs history when we have Communism?




120,000,000 dead people heartily agree!
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
Who cares?! We know that Communism is the best! (Almost) everybody is Equal!
Do you know anything about history at all? Things happened centuries before the word "communism" was even invented. Many bad things. You don't want a repeat, do you? Why support authoritarian rule of any variety, when thousands of years of history show is that it sucks. Political power must never be concentrated in the hands of one single individual or a small group of individuals. You monarchists don't seem to understand this.
All I know is that Communism is the best, happiest, greatest system ever! Whatever came before is always bad, bad, bad! Pick any form of government and it's ALWAYS better for (a small handful of political leaders) everyone, once they turn to the happiness of Communism.

Who needs history when we have Communism?




120,000,000 dead people heartily agree!
bumps in the roads, my friend
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
Who cares?! We know that Communism is the best! (Almost) everybody is Equal!
Do you know anything about history at all? Things happened centuries before the word "communism" was even invented. Many bad things. You don't want a repeat, do you? Why support authoritarian rule of any variety, when thousands of years of history show is that it sucks. Political power must never be concentrated in the hands of one single individual or a small group of individuals. You monarchists don't seem to understand this.
All I know is that Communism is the best, happiest, greatest system ever! Whatever came before is always bad, bad, bad! Pick any form of government and it's ALWAYS better for (a small handful of political leaders) everyone, once they turn to the happiness of Communism.

Who needs history when we have Communism?




120,000,000 dead people heartily agree!
bumps in the roads, my friend




Yeppers. Just bad people who didn't want to jump on board the death to those who don't agree with us rape train.
 

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It's amazing how many monarchists are still out there, particularly in the U.S. Absolute monarchy/authoritarianism doesn't appeal to me.
 

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I have to wonder how anyone actually studying the issues thinks this platform is good for the US.
No, you don't "have to wonder". I doubt you make any effort to accurately and honestly understand the perspectives of those who disagree with you.

Me, I'm the opposite. I like to have an accurate grasp of both (or more) sides of any issue, so that I can reach a thoughtful conclusion.

To recap: You had been incorrectly led to believe that Trump's childish & embarrassing behaviors were the only reason someone would not vote for him. I patiently pointed out that no, the foundation of disagreement in the election is a profound and significant disagreement on the issues. As it is in virtually all elections.

Clear now?
Oh great, a thoughtful looter.
 
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I thought this might be a thread about how one profoundly damaged, arrogant, pugilistic, white, authoritarian, nationalist man can somehow gain the aggressive, unconditional adoration of millions of people who enable all of his worst impulses and actions by refusing to hold him accountable for anything. The world saw this play out 80, 90 years ago, and it's stunning that we're seeing it again, in America, of all places. This is un-American.

But yes, our hardcore (Regressive) Left has systematically been ignoring and mocking the most liberal of all American values, Freedom of Expression. America is the last country on the planet that should have a populace that is afraid to express itself for fear of literal punishment and damage to their very lives. The last country on the planet that should have a populace that feels intimidated from speaking its mind in the first place. This is un-American.

The two ends of our spectrum, as they currently exist, are killing us. In real time, as we watch. They're suffocating America and shattering its uniqueness with their tribalism, egos, narcissism, hubris and actions.

Self-inflicted wound.
Here is the thing. If the left-extreme gain full control they can and will fundamentally change the US forever. They will expand the Supreme Court so they can stack it, they will likely attemp to remove the electoral college, decrease border control, give illegals free healthcare creating a huge increase in illegal border crossings, raise taxes on the working classes(not the ultra-wealthy, they have many ways to offset income), etc. Anyone who has actually thought it through can recognize the dangeres of letting a party like that gain control.

The problem is the hatred for Trump, the man, as evidenced your first paragraph. It is a very childish way of determining how to vote, like voting for the popular kid running for elementary school class president who promises free pizza on Fridays instead of the kid who has actual plans that will work to help the school. You guys can't get out of elementary school. It is a sad plight, but God knows you can't tell anything to pretensious liberals who think they know everything.
Or, we just disagree with his observable behaviors, impulses and actions.

But you can certainly run with the story that you are provided in your reality.
You still don't get it. I don't care about this behavior. I care about results. Evidently many care more about form over substance..tricked by a pretty face or a slick talker. I am not that person.
Somehow you didn't see the word "actions" in my post. That is "substance".

I can't force you to read what I write.
:auiqs.jpg:
You had to do that again? Weird.

Let's see you try to put a few intelligent words together and provide some kind of thoughtful response to my post.

It would be very interesting to watch you try.
dreck
 

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Over the last four years, the left has supported violence, lawlessness, failed to accept the results of an election, and used false pretenses to try to overturn an election. I thought that it had to be just a few extreme members of the party, but I now know I was wrong. After the actions of the democrat party, to pull the lever for them you would have to be an enemy of the United States. It isn't about policy anymore. No policy could be worth supporting such behavior.
 

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I thought this might be a thread about how one profoundly damaged, arrogant, pugilistic, white, authoritarian, nationalist man can somehow gain the cult-like, aggressive, unconditional adoration of millions of people who enable all of his worst impulses and actions by refusing to hold him accountable for anything. The world saw this play out 80, 90 years ago, and it's stunning that we're seeing it again, in America, of all places. This is un-American.

But yes, our hardcore (Regressive) Left has systematically been ignoring and mocking the most liberal of all American values, Freedom of Expression. America is the last country on the planet that should have a populace that is afraid to express itself for fear of literal punishment and damage to their very lives. The last country on the planet that should have a populace that feels intimidated from speaking its mind in the first place. This is un-American.

The two ends of our spectrum, as they currently exist, are killing us. In real time, as we watch. They're suffocating America and shattering its uniqueness with their tribalism, egos, narcissism, hubris and actions.

Self-inflicted wound.

1. Why do you mention Trump's race?

2. Nothing wrong with nationalism. Especially American Nationalism.
Stop mixing the idea of "American Nationalism" with "white nationalism" and spreading the idea that American culture is the same as "white culture" (whatever this is supposed to be), accept the fact that Americans are a very diverse group of people. Our ancestors came from all the nations on this planet. Recognize that this fact is the foundation of our national identity.
I'm not sure what nationalism has to do with diversity. Everyone in the US can support the US. I'm not sure the value of splitting the population into subgroups. Nobody said American Nationalism is white nationalism, except democrats who want to compare people who love the country to Nazi Germany.
 

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The problem with this whole thing is discussing Russian history only from 1905 on. Before that, Russiabhad a solidly authoritarian government under the absolute rule of the Tsar. Things were not so good for the average person under this government in the centuries prior to 1905. Authoritarian government always contains the seeds of its own downfall. When people rail against the Bolsheviks and Communists, they imply that they somehow approved of the Tsar's authoritarian government.
Communism rules! People were soooooooooooooo much better off under Communism, amiright?
You seem unable to recognize that authoritarian rule is never beneficial. Are you a tsarist? A proponent of authoritarian rule? Examine conditions in Russia at least for the two centuries before 1905.
Who cares?! We know that Communism is the best! (Almost) everybody is Equal!
Do you know anything about history at all? Things happened centuries before the word "communism" was even invented. Many bad things. You don't want a repeat, do you? Why support authoritarian rule of any variety, when thousands of years of history show is that it sucks. Political power must never be concentrated in the hands of one single individual or a small group of individuals. You monarchists don't seem to understand this.
Then why does the left want to increase centralized power. Do you speak out against them for doing so?
 

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