"History didn't start on 7th Oct." - It didn't? What was the Arab excuse for violence before Zionism?

[José]

Originally posted by rylah
The "native Arab population" comprises large amounts of migrants from these Arab colonies.

The palestinian arabs are the real descendants of the ancient peoples that inhabited the Levant, including Jews, not the Lech Walesas, Aleksander Lukashenkos, Volodymyr Zelenskis and Vladmir Putins pathetically speaking an updated version of Hebrew to fool the mentally retarded.

Even Israel's founder, the young Ben Gurion conceded this fact in 1906 when he saw palestinian farmers working the land and wrote in his diary the words Israel has been trying to hide since it was created (non-verbatim, can't remember his exact words):

The arab fellah of Palestine is the real offspring of the Jews.​

Palestine, obviously was not an island like Australia and New Zealand nor was it surrounded by a giant, insurmountable moat full of crocodiles so there has always been a small exchange of neighboring populations just like it always happened between America and Canada, France and Germany or China and Vietnam.

This does not make the arabs of Palestine any less natives of the land than the historic flow of people between Sweden and Norway.

 

[rylah]

The palestinian arabs are the real descendants of the ancient peoples that inhabited the Levant, including Jews, not the Lech Walesas, Aleksander Lukashenkos, Volodymyr Zelenskis and Vladmir Putins pathetically speaking an updated version of Hebrew to fool the mentally retarded.

Even Israel's founder, the young Ben Gurion conceded this fact in 1906 when he saw palestinian farmers working the land and wrote in his diary the words Israel has been trying to hide since it was created (non-verbatim, can't remember his exact words):

The arab fellah of Palestine is the real offspring of the Jews.​

Does that quote even exist, or "Free Palestine" is going to pretend
Arab attacks on Jews, are done by Jew themselves?

Don't forget who's also to blame
for them beating their wives...

UN expert: When Palestinian men beat their wives, it's Israel's fault - UN Watch

When Palestinian men beat their wives, in large part it’s the fault of Israel, suggests a UN expert. Dubravka Simonovic, UN Special Rapporteur on violence against women, concluded her visit to Israel and the West Bank with a statement today “recognizing the clear linkage between the prolonged...

unwatch.org

 

[José]

Does that quote even exist, or "Free Palestine" is going
to pretend Arab attacks on Jews, are done by Jew themselves?

I don't even know if his diary is available in English.

I got the quote from this guy:

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Just try and imagine Gurion, arriving in Palestine for the first time in 1906, looking at palestinian fellahs (farmers) tilling the land and thinking to himself:

They are the arabized children of the ancient Jews.

Boy... wasn't this enough to give any Zionist the most severe case of explosive diarrhea?

 

[rylah]

Does that quote even exist, or "Free Palestine" is going
to pretend Arab attacks on Jews, are done by Jew themselves?

I don't even know if his diary is available in English.

I got the quote from this guy:

​

Just try and imagine Gurion, arriving in Palestine for the first time in 1906, looking at palestinian fellahs (farmers) tilling the land and thinking to himself:

They are the arabized children of the ancient Jews.

Boy... wasn't this enough to give any Zionist the most severe case of explosive diarrhea?

The excuse for Arab violence against local Jews before Zionism,
is a quote from Ben Gurion you can't find,
and a book from 2005?

History they say...

 

[rylah]

What is that history before that was different from 7th Oct.?

Arab pogroms initiated Zionism in the first place,
no different from the pogroms in Europe,
occured virtually simultaneously.

All that was before 7th Oct.
and new history started.

Because Israel is the
heart of humanity.

 

[José]

I must be going senile, rylah... I mixed up everything. I got the wrong book by Sand and Gurion.

It isn't "The Invention of the Jewish People" but "The Invention of the Land of Israel":

And it's not Gurion's personal diary, it's an article he wrote during WWI.

My bad.

From Sand's book (if you're not rylah and have little interest in the IP conflict, feel free to read only the bolded parts):
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Early in this process, in order to entrench the conception of the Jewish right to the Land, major Zionist activists such as Israel Belkind, David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, and others attempted to prove that the Arabs of the country were ancient descendants of the Jews. However, the revolt of 1929 put a quick end to the “ethnoracial unification of these two components of the people.” (p. 8)
________________________________________________________________________________________________

In addition to this effective technology for the preservation and dissemination of a formative historical mythos, it was also necessary

(1) to erase, in a seemingly unintentional manner, all memory of Judaism having been a dynamic and proselytizing religion at least between the second century BCE and the eighth century CE;

(2) to disregard the existence of many Judaized kingdoms that emerged and flourished throughout history in various geographic regions;

(3) to delete from collective memory the enormous number of persons who converted to Judaism under the rule of these Judaized kingdoms, providing the historical foundation for most of the world’s Jewish communities (FOOTNOTE 1); and

(4) to downplay statements of the early Zionists—most prominently those of David Ben-Gurion, founding father of the State of Israel who well knew that an exile had never taken place and therefore regarded most of the territory’s local peasants as the authentic offspring of the ancient Hebrews. (FOOTNOTE 2)

FOOTNOTE 1 Specifically, I am referring to the Adiabene kingdom of Mesopotamia, the Himyarite kingdom of southwestern Arabia, the kingdom of Dahyā al-Kāhina of northern Africa, the kingdom of Semien of eastern Africa, the kingdom of Kodungallur of the southern Indian subcontinent, and the great Khazar empire of southern Russia. It should come as no surprise that we are unable to locate even one comparative study that attempts to explore the fascinating Judaization of these kingdoms and the fate of their many subjects.

FOOTNOTE 2 For an example, see Ben-Gurion’s 1917 article “Clarifying the Origins of the Felahs,” in David Ben-Gurion, We and Our Neighbors, Tel Aviv: Davar Press, 1931, 13–25 (in Hebrew)

 

[surada]

It's in their gene and moreover all leftists excuse their horror every time, we have the proof here at the forum with all the HAMAS lovers, and there are many of them.

70 years of abusing the Palestinians.

 

[Dalia]

70 years of abusing the Palestinians.

So you're still making excuses for the October 7 massacre? I'm pretty sure you've never looked at the bodies of the victims, right? That's how you operate leftists crying for the guilty but nothing for the REAL victims of the barbaric terrorists

 

[surada]

The palestinian arabs are the real descendants of the ancient peoples that inhabited the Levant, including Jews, not the Lech Walesas, Aleksander Lukashenkos, Volodymyr Zelenskis and Vladmir Putins pathetically speaking an updated version of Hebrew to fool the mentally retarded.

Even Israel's founder, the young Ben Gurion conceded this fact in 1906 when he saw palestinian farmers working the land and wrote in his diary the words Israel has been trying to hide since it was created (non-verbatim, can't remember his exact words):

The arab fellah of Palestine is the real offspring of the Jews.​

Palestine, obviously was not an island like Australia and New Zealand nor was it surrounded by a giant, insurmountable moat full of crocodiles so there has always been a small exchange of neighboring populations just like it always happened between America and Canada, France and Germany or China and Vietnam.

This does not make the arabs of Palestine any less natives of the land than the historic flow of people between Sweden and Norway.

Yes, Ben Gurion said the Palestinians were descended from Jewish farmers who stayed behind and tended the Roman terraces and aquaducts.

 

[surada]

Along the Syria border there were no farms and no refugee camps -- there was only the Syrian army... the kibbutzim saw the good agricultural land... and they dreamed about it... They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land... We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was." 1976

Already a battle hardened by the end of his teens, Moshe Dayan gained his trademark eyepatch while fighting the Vichy French in Syria during WWII after a bullet struck his binoculars. Dayan's activities in the 1948 War of Independence began when he commanded the defense of Jewish settlements in the Jordan Valley. He later commanded the battalion that attacked the city of Lydda and helped halt Egyptian forces on the southern front. In August 1948, he was appointed commander on the Jerusalem front. In 1949, he participated in armistice talks with Jordanian officials at Rhodes. Dayan's military prowess allowed him to rise to the rank of chief of operations at General Headquarters in 1952, and, in 1953, he was elected Chief of Staff of the armed forces3.

Dayan became Chief of Staff during a time of severe Arab belligerence. Despite the military armistice of 1949, the surrounding Arab nations remained hostile, using maritime blockades, reinforcing an economic boycott, promoting political and propaganda warfare and supporting terrorism in Israel. Dayan insisted on strong retaliation operations. His view was that the Arabs saw terrorism as a stage of war, and the longer the terrorist attacks continued, the longer the Arabs had to build up their military strength. He wanted to force the Arabs into open battle before they gained full military power3. In 1957, Dayan led the Israeli Defense Forces in the Suez Canal incident.

In 1958, Dayan left the military for politics and became a member of the Israeli Knesset in 1959. In 1964, Dayan resigned as Minister of Agriculture after an argument with then Prime Minister Levi Eshkol. Dayan returned to Eshkol's cabinet as Defense Minister in the days before the Six Day War and crafted Israel's war strategy along with Israeli Commander Yitzhak Rabin. His popularity soared after the Israeli victories.

Dayan's popularity waned significantly after the 1973 Yom Kippur war in which Israel was caught completely by surprise. Blame fell largely on Dayan as Defense Minister and he resigned his post in 1974. In a surprising turnaround from his hawkish past, Dayan was a lead negotiator with Egypt during the Camp David Accords. Dayan died in 1981 after a two year battle with cancer.

Moshe Dayan

www-personal.umich.edu

 

[surada]

Example No.2 -

Report from Safed about the Arab massacres of 1834:

"Now I have come to announce the large losses and afflictions that have been created in Israel in four countries, ie Jerusalem,and Hebron and the Upper Galilee, namely Safed. And the lower Galilee, namely the city of Tabriya. By the hands of the plunderers and looters that rose in the country. And they come only upon the Jews...

On Sunday, eight days in the month of Sivan, the looters, inhabitants of the villages joined with the inhabitants of the cities. They had weapons of war and shields and fell upon all the Jews and stripped their clothes from men and women. They expelled them naked from the city, and plundered all their property...

The remnants were coerced and raped whether men or women. Tore all the Torah scrolls, and their talit and tefilin and the city was abandoned... This was so for 33 days, so was done in the city of Safed, so was done in other towns."

Periodicals of people of Israel in Eretz Israel - Menachem Mendel ben- Aaharon 1800-1873

Four countries?

 

[rylah]

Four countries?

Yes a country, like the Galilee and Judea are called countries, also used for central cities.

In this case, the 4 holy cities, that Jews were expelled from by the Arab mobs,

all that before Zionism.

 

[surada]

Yes a country, like the Galilee and Judea are called countries, also used for central cities.

In this case, the 4 holy cities, that Jews were expelled from by the Arab mobs,

all that before Zionism.

They were expelled in the first century afterwards losing Palestine in two wars.

The Jews lived all over the Middle East, Rome and the Mediterranean before the birth of Christ.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, Ben Gurion said the Palestinians were descended from Jewish farmers who stayed behind and tended the Roman terraces and aquaducts.

Maybe they should convert to Judaism?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Along the Syria border there were no farms and no refugee camps -- there was only the Syrian army... the kibbutzim saw the good agricultural land... and they dreamed about it... They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land... We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was." 1976

Already a battle hardened by the end of his teens, Moshe Dayan gained his trademark eyepatch while fighting the Vichy French in Syria during WWII after a bullet struck his binoculars. Dayan's activities in the 1948 War of Independence began when he commanded the defense of Jewish settlements in the Jordan Valley. He later commanded the battalion that attacked the city of Lydda and helped halt Egyptian forces on the southern front. In August 1948, he was appointed commander on the Jerusalem front. In 1949, he participated in armistice talks with Jordanian officials at Rhodes. Dayan's military prowess allowed him to rise to the rank of chief of operations at General Headquarters in 1952, and, in 1953, he was elected Chief of Staff of the armed forces3.

Dayan became Chief of Staff during a time of severe Arab belligerence. Despite the military armistice of 1949, the surrounding Arab nations remained hostile, using maritime blockades, reinforcing an economic boycott, promoting political and propaganda warfare and supporting terrorism in Israel. Dayan insisted on strong retaliation operations. His view was that the Arabs saw terrorism as a stage of war, and the longer the terrorist attacks continued, the longer the Arabs had to build up their military strength. He wanted to force the Arabs into open battle before they gained full military power3. In 1957, Dayan led the Israeli Defense Forces in the Suez Canal incident.

In 1958, Dayan left the military for politics and became a member of the Israeli Knesset in 1959. In 1964, Dayan resigned as Minister of Agriculture after an argument with then Prime Minister Levi Eshkol. Dayan returned to Eshkol's cabinet as Defense Minister in the days before the Six Day War and crafted Israel's war strategy along with Israeli Commander Yitzhak Rabin. His popularity soared after the Israeli victories.

Dayan's popularity waned significantly after the 1973 Yom Kippur war in which Israel was caught completely by surprise. Blame fell largely on Dayan as Defense Minister and he resigned his post in 1974. In a surprising turnaround from his hawkish past, Dayan was a lead negotiator with Egypt during the Camp David Accords. Dayan died in 1981 after a two year battle with cancer.

Moshe Dayan

www-personal.umich.edu

Along the Syria border there were no farms and no refugee camps -- there was only the Syrian army... the kibbutzim saw the good agricultural land... and they dreamed about it... They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land...

And the Syrian shelling from the heights.

 

[rylah]

I must be going senile, rylah... I mixed up everything. I got the wrong book by Sand and Gurion.

It isn't "The Invention of the Jewish People" but "The Invention of the Land of Israel":

And it's not Gurion's personal diary, it's an article he wrote during WWI.

My bad.

From Sand's book (if you're not rylah and have little interest in the IP conflict, feel free to read only the bolded parts):
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Early in this process, in order to entrench the conception of the Jewish right to the Land, major Zionist activists such as Israel Belkind, David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, and others attempted to prove that the Arabs of the country were ancient descendants of the Jews. However, the revolt of 1929 put a quick end to the “ethnoracial unification of these two components of the people.” (p. 8)
________________________________________________________________________________________________

In addition to this effective technology for the preservation and dissemination of a formative historical mythos, it was also necessary

(1) to erase, in a seemingly unintentional manner, all memory of Judaism having been a dynamic and proselytizing religion at least between the second century BCE and the eighth century CE;

(2) to disregard the existence of many Judaized kingdoms that emerged and flourished throughout history in various geographic regions;

(3) to delete from collective memory the enormous number of persons who converted to Judaism under the rule of these Judaized kingdoms, providing the historical foundation for most of the world’s Jewish communities (FOOTNOTE 1); and

(4) to downplay statements of the early Zionists—most prominently those of David Ben-Gurion, founding father of the State of Israel who well knew that an exile had never taken place and therefore regarded most of the territory’s local peasants as the authentic offspring of the ancient Hebrews. (FOOTNOTE 2)

FOOTNOTE 1 Specifically, I am referring to the Adiabene kingdom of Mesopotamia, the Himyarite kingdom of southwestern Arabia, the kingdom of Dahyā al-Kāhina of northern Africa, the kingdom of Semien of eastern Africa, the kingdom of Kodungallur of the southern Indian subcontinent, and the great Khazar empire of southern Russia. It should come as no surprise that we are unable to locate even one comparative study that attempts to explore the fascinating Judaization of these kingdoms and the fate of their many subjects.

FOOTNOTE 2 For an example, see Ben-Gurion’s 1917 article “Clarifying the Origins of the Felahs,” in David Ben-Gurion, We and Our Neighbors, Tel Aviv: Davar Press, 1931, 13–25 (in Hebrew)

There was an alternative political narrative shortly explored by the Jewish leaders,
called Cana'anism, a vision of a Levantine confederation - which Arabs refused.

Of course, when "Free Palestine" rhetoric about "history"
is framing "fake Jews" and "real Jews" for Arab violence,
only confirms their conflict is not a political one,

but against the Jewish identity itself.

 

[rylah]

"History didn't start on 7th Oct."....

 

[rylah]