High School play depicts rape, filthy acts, language and public urination

[guno]

Liberals can't be trusted with children, this thread proves it. Already we have liberals excusing Mohammed's pedophilia because it was part of his culture.

But keep in mind that liberals are trying to change OUR culture, and the pre-mature sexualizing of young people is one of the changes they are trying to make.

Why do you think so many Hollywood stars get arrested for pedophilia and child pornography? Because that is the sexual orientation of choice for many liberals.

yes stick to bowing to statues and groveling to crosses and letting the priests play with the kiddies

 

[IndependantAce]

I'd say it's entirely inappropriate for minors and I question it's supposed "artistic merit". From what I've seen nearly anything can potentially get a pass as "art" or "free expression", even the works of Marquis de Sade.

. The "I want to jack off in public" crowd is well represented in this forum. You would think they would be ridiculed and laughed at, but most would have pity on their parents who raised people with the morals of a goat in heat. Children should not be put in so-called "award-winning" plays with this sort of acting going on. This isn't hard to understand for normal people who don't want to watch public acts of sex and depravity flaunted in front of them and children.

Yeah, the lack of concern for the "pornification" of the entertainment that kids are exposed to disturbs me.

Today we have folks like Nicki Minaj (who sings pop songs about using cocaine, and explict sex acts) being marketed to elementry school age girls on the Ellen Degeneres show; not to mention kids today have easy online access to hardcore porn sites with fetishes that would make Ron Jeremy blush; which is quite a bit different than a kid sneaking a look at a Hustler magazine 50 years ago.

I think this play is just another symptom of the problem, the entertainment industry is marketing sex to kids just to make a buck, and we're so desensitized that we no longer think anything of it.

 

[IndependantAce]

Liberals can't be trusted with children, this thread proves it. Already we have liberals excusing Mohammed's pedophilia because it was part of his culture.

But keep in mind that liberals are trying to change OUR culture, and the pre-mature sexualizing of young people is one of the changes they are trying to make.

Why do you think so many Hollywood stars get arrested for pedophilia and child pornography? Because that is the sexual orientation of choice for many liberals.

yes stick to bowing to statues and groveling to crosses and letting the priests play with the kiddies

I never heard of teenage pregnancy resulting from bowing to a statue.

 

[aris2chat]

I'd say it's entirely inappropriate for minors and I question it's supposed "artistic merit". From what I've seen nearly anything can potentially get a pass as "art" or "free expression", even the works of Marquis de Sade.

You think kids don't know about de Sade? Correction, this is the US in the 21st C, most have not read his work even if it is online.

I remember those big buildings with lots of books. You could go in and read anything. Some libraries did have lists of appropriate books to check out, but it was suggested not enforced. Sit on the floor and you can read what ever you want.

 

[aris2chat]

Well, perhaps better for a college drama club than a high school's. Too many people fail to recognize what high schoolers already know. If they are getting great reviews, I'm proud of them.
Catcher in the Rye caused a similar sensation back in the day. There was a lot more to that novel than the naughty bits, and I'm sure this play is the same. But to some, it is the end of civilization.

You think half the kids in a large city have not gone through or know someone that has gone through most of the abuses and situation in the play?

kids are smarter than many parent want to think they are

What value is there in intentionally exposing kids as young as elementary age to that? What artistic merit does it serve anyway?

What of the games they play, music they listen to and what they watch on TV or in movies?
What do they see in the streets or even in their own homes, what do they hear about from their friends?

Life is far worse than tom and jerry cartoons.

 

[Blackrook]

Well, perhaps better for a college drama club than a high school's. Too many people fail to recognize what high schoolers already know. If they are getting great reviews, I'm proud of them.
Catcher in the Rye caused a similar sensation back in the day. There was a lot more to that novel than the naughty bits, and I'm sure this play is the same. But to some, it is the end of civilization.

You think half the kids in a large city have not gone through or know someone that has gone through most of the abuses and situation in the play?

kids are smarter than many parent want to think they are

What value is there in intentionally exposing kids as young as elementary age to that? What artistic merit does it serve anyway?

What of the games they play, music they listen to and what they watch on TV or in movies?
What do they see in the streets or even in their own homes, what do they hear about from their friends?

Life is far worse than tom and jerry cartoons.

I don't know, Tom and Jerry is pretty bad. I didn't realize it as a kid, but that kind of over-the-top violence is not good for kids to watch. I think it might have made me more violent to my brother, because every time there was a commercial break, my brother and I would start pummeling each other like Tom and Jerry.

 

[2aguy]

Did bill clinton sign on to making a play about his life story?

 

[IndependantAce]

I'd say it's entirely inappropriate for minors and I question it's supposed "artistic merit". From what I've seen nearly anything can potentially get a pass as "art" or "free expression", even the works of Marquis de Sade.

You think kids don't know about de Sade? Correction, this is the US in the 21st C, most have not read his work even if it is online.

I remember those big buildings with lots of books. You could go in and read anything. Some libraries did have lists of appropriate books to check out, but it was suggested not enforced. Sit on the floor and you can read what ever you want.

The 120 Days of Sodom is disturbing enough that I couldn't finish it; and I have seen films like Saw, Hostel, Serbian Film and found them boring

Well, perhaps better for a college drama club than a high school's. Too many people fail to recognize what high schoolers already know. If they are getting great reviews, I'm proud of them.
Catcher in the Rye caused a similar sensation back in the day. There was a lot more to that novel than the naughty bits, and I'm sure this play is the same. But to some, it is the end of civilization.

You think half the kids in a large city have not gone through or know someone that has gone through most of the abuses and situation in the play?

kids are smarter than many parent want to think they are

What value is there in intentionally exposing kids as young as elementary age to that? What artistic merit does it serve anyway?

What of the games they play, music they listen to and what they watch on TV or in movies?
What do they see in the streets or even in their own homes, what do they hear about from their friends?

Life is far worse than tom and jerry cartoons.

I'm not of the opinion that any of that is good for kids either; plus the entertainment today is much more explicit than Tom and Jerry, especially online.

 

[guno]

Well, perhaps better for a college drama club than a high school's. Too many people fail to recognize what high schoolers already know. If they are getting great reviews, I'm proud of them.
Catcher in the Rye caused a similar sensation back in the day. There was a lot more to that novel than the naughty bits, and I'm sure this play is the same. But to some, it is the end of civilization.

You think half the kids in a large city have not gone through or know someone that has gone through most of the abuses and situation in the play?

kids are smarter than many parent want to think they are

What value is there in intentionally exposing kids as young as elementary age to that? What artistic merit does it serve anyway?

What of the games they play, music they listen to and what they watch on TV or in movies?
What do they see in the streets or even in their own homes, what do they hear about from their friends?

Life is far worse than tom and jerry cartoons.

I don't know, Tom and Jerry is pretty bad. I didn't realize it as a kid, but that kind of over-the-top violence is not good for kids to watch. I think it might have made me more violent to my brother, because every time there was a commercial break, my brother and I would start pummeling each other like Tom and Jerry.

You are more of a Davy and Goliath cartoon guy then

 

[IndependantAce]

Well, perhaps better for a college drama club than a high school's. Too many people fail to recognize what high schoolers already know. If they are getting great reviews, I'm proud of them.
Catcher in the Rye caused a similar sensation back in the day. There was a lot more to that novel than the naughty bits, and I'm sure this play is the same. But to some, it is the end of civilization.

You think half the kids in a large city have not gone through or know someone that has gone through most of the abuses and situation in the play?

kids are smarter than many parent want to think they are

What value is there in intentionally exposing kids as young as elementary age to that? What artistic merit does it serve anyway?

What of the games they play, music they listen to and what they watch on TV or in movies?
What do they see in the streets or even in their own homes, what do they hear about from their friends?

Life is far worse than tom and jerry cartoons.

I don't know, Tom and Jerry is pretty bad. I didn't realize it as a kid, but that kind of over-the-top violence is not good for kids to watch. I think it might have made me more violent to my brother, because every time there was a commercial break, my brother and I would start pummeling each other like Tom and Jerry.

You are more of a Davy and Goliath cartoon guy then

If there are some people who'd rather children be exposed to explicit sex than watch Davey and Goliath simply because it's "religious" that's very disturbing.

 

[guno]

Liberals can't be trusted with children, this thread proves it. Already we have liberals excusing Mohammed's pedophilia because it was part of his culture.

But keep in mind that liberals are trying to change OUR culture, and the pre-mature sexualizing of young people is one of the changes they are trying to make.

Why do you think so many Hollywood stars get arrested for pedophilia and child pornography? Because that is the sexual orientation of choice for many liberals.

yes stick to bowing to statues and groveling to crosses and letting the priests play with the kiddies

I never heard of teenage pregnancy resulting from bowing to a statue.

no, but the catholic alter boys sure don't like it

 

[Blackrook]

guno, why do the leftists have no problem with pedophiliac Muslims in Afghanistan and pedophiliac Hollywood actors, but condemn pedophiliac Catholic priests?

At least try to be consistent.

 

[OldLady]

Well, perhaps better for a college drama club than a high school's. Too many people fail to recognize what high schoolers already know. If they are getting great reviews, I'm proud of them.
Catcher in the Rye caused a similar sensation back in the day. There was a lot more to that novel than the naughty bits, and I'm sure this play is the same. But to some, it is the end of civilization.

You think half the kids in a large city have not gone through or know someone that has gone through most of the abuses and situation in the play?

kids are smarter than many parent want to think they are

What value is there in intentionally exposing kids as young as elementary age to that? What artistic merit does it serve anyway?

Why would a high school play expose elementary age kids? Read the review from Sydney about the play (Post #72). The play is about racism/race relations, and it apparently gets ugly, as does real life. The artistic merit would be in getting people to think.

 

[OldLady]

Liberals can't be trusted with children, this thread proves it. Already we have liberals excusing Mohammed's pedophilia because it was part of his culture.

But keep in mind that liberals are trying to change OUR culture, and the pre-mature sexualizing of young people is one of the changes they are trying to make.

Why do you think so many Hollywood stars get arrested for pedophilia and child pornography? Because that is the sexual orientation of choice for many liberals.

They are desensitizing our children to want to suck dick if they're a boy and chew carpet if a girl. Already it has been mentioned in another thread here that the millennials are starting to experiment with gay sex, because to not to would mean they must be homophobes. And we sure can't be against homo sex, huh? Why, that would be bigotry.

Buddy, you are OUT there.

 

[surada]

(Bold Italics are excerpts taken from the article)

Carnegie Vanguard High School’s one act play had a little something for everyone: depictions of male-on-male rape, male-on-female rape, filthy language, on-stage urination, and an actress who simulated wiping her private parts at center stage. Oh yes, there was also a scene where a male cast member turned his back to the audience and dropped his pants, as fellow cast members deliver dialogue about the size of his appendage.
[Don’t you just love how avant garde “art” edifies our culture?]

The parent told me he confronted Carnegie’s principal immediately after the performance – but his concerns were dismissed. “At first, he said, ‘well ,you know, everyone has a different tolerance level,’” the parent said. “I told him, ‘No, sir. You cannot possibly tell me that it’s appropriate for any audience for a young lady to portray wiping her vagina after having sex behind a prop on stage.’”
[Is this principal a pervert?]

The district released a statement defending the theatrical production – noting they are “extremely proud” and they stand by the students “100 percent.”
[ Extremely proud? Now maybe you liberals can better understand why we deplore our educators who are so hung up on nothing but sexual liberty and choice, and gay is beautiful, and embrace the transgender movement, and watch this graphic video how to have sex, and we can get you a secret free abortion, and grab a bunch of condoms on your way out of class --- all the while castigating Christian thought and its morals.]

“People were disgusted and there was complete shock at what they had just seen,” he told me. “Elementary-aged children were exposed to this show.”
[“Yes, so? You want us educators to leave it to clueless parents how to expose them to safe sex and all that?”]

(One mother of a cast member student defended it asking ) “Isn’t theater supposed to challenge people?” she opined.
[Challenge? You mean like watching a student piss into a bucket on stage? The godless in this nation are blind and the Christians like me are cowards or maybe just giving up.]

An (approving) Houston Chronicle columnist described the show as “psychologically intense, an exploration of subjects such as violence, sex and race.”
[Boy if there is anything we can say our high schools now excel in it is the exploration of violence, sex and race. These educators need to be shot.]

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High School play depicts rape, filthy language and public urination

Carnegie Vanguard High School’s one act play had a little something for everyone: depictions of male-on-male rape, male-on-female rape, filthy language, on-stage urination, and an actress who simulated wiping her private parts at center stage. Oh yes, there was also a scene where a male cast member turned his back to the audience and dropped his pants, as fellow cast members deliver dialogue about the size of his appendage.

The Houston high school’s racy production of “Holy Day” has generated great angst among the good church-going people of the Lone Star State. “Hello Dolly” it is not.

A Houston Chronicle columnist described the show as “psychologically intense, an exploration of subjects such as violence, sex and race.”

Carnegie’s eyebrow-raising show recently advanced in the Texas One-Act Play Contest – leading to a number of complaints – mostly from the parents of teen actors at competing schools.

“I was completely flabbergasted at the content,” one parent who saw the production told me.

One enraged father who attended the April 23 Region III-6A play competition filed a formal complaint with the Houston Independent School District.

“I was deeply offended by the obscene and inappropriate content,” the parent wrote – demanding the school be disqualified from the competition.

I spoke at length with the father, a former public school educator for 18 years. He asked that I not disclose his name – fearing it might cause trouble for his children.

His son was also competing in the one-act play competition – representing a different school. He said many people were shocked by what they saw during Carnegie’s performance.

“People were disgusted and there was complete shock at what they had just seen,” he told me. “Elementary-aged children were exposed to this show.”

The parent told me he confronted Carnegie’s principal immediately after the performance – but his concerns were dismissed.

“At first, he said, ‘well ,you know, everyone has a different tolerance level,’” the parent said. “I told him, ‘No, sir. You cannot possibly tell me that it’s appropriate for any audience for a young lady to portray wiping her vagina after having sex behind a prop on stage.’”

The University Interscholastic League told me they are “aware of some concerns” and are investigating the content of Carnegie’s play.

“UIL is making every effort to follow up with members of the public that have expressed concerns,” a spokesman wrote in a statement. “The administration of the producing school shall assure that the director complies with these requirements and that the play does not offend the moral standards of the community.”

Apparently the moral standards within the Houston Independent School District are not all that high.

“Such obscene and offensive language and content has no place in any high school in the state of Texas,” the concerned parent wrote in his complaint.

The district released a statement defending the theatrical production – noting they are “extremely proud” and they stand by the students “100 percent.”

“The script has been thoughtfully modified to be appropriate for a broad, young-adult audience,” the district’s statement read. “Carnegie students have treated the script’s mature subject matter with admirable sensitivity, skill and professionalism.”

I suppose it does take a bit of skill to pee in a bucket during a live stage performance.

Perhaps the Tony Awards should consider adding a new category: “Best On Stage Depiction of Bodily Functions.”

Carnegie parents are defending the profanity-laced production. One parent convinced the Houston Chronicle to publish a column titled, “How Edgy Should High-School Theater Be?”

“The last time I saw it, some of the audience was in tears. Others walked out. Still others sat silently in their seats, stunned by the journey they had been on,” wrote Alice Savage, the mother of one of the cast members.

“Isn’t theater supposed to challenge people?” she opined.

Well, sure. But can’t they challenge us without dropping their pants and urinating into a bucket?

Critics want the show disqualified – but I sincerely doubt the powers-that-be will oblige. And I have no doubt the school’s production could possibly win first prize.

“If they do, it will not be due to their ability to shock and offend, but to move audiences with a distinctly human story,” Ms. Savage wrote.

A distinctly human story, I might add, that would be best-suited for a seedy adult bookstore – rather than a high school theatrical competition.

It's just garbage.

 

[j-mac]

‘Todd Starnes is host of Fox News & Commentary, heard on hundreds of radio stations. His latest book is "God Less America: Real Stories From the Front Lines of the Attack on Traditional Values."’

One person’s subjective, errant opinion, no more or less valid than any other person’s subjective opinion – particularly a conservative who contrives and attempts to propagate ridiculous lies about an ‘attack’ on ‘traditional values,’ when in fact no such ‘attack’ is taking place.

And the thread premise is yet another example of the fear most on the right have for dissent and differing opinions and points of view, how most conservatives focus only on the superficial and fail to understand the message being expressed, conservatives blind to that message by their unwarranted ‘outrage.’

Free expression is often times uncomfortable and controversial, that’s what gives it its worth and value in our free and democratic society; pity that most on the right fail to understand that free expression – even when perceived to be ‘offensive’ – is also a traditional value, a value most on the right see fit to attack.

Um….ABSOLUTELY NOT!

There is NO possible excuse for minors disrobing on stage and portraying these acts of depravity.

I would have been on stage stopping the show and collecting my kids and leaving….The next day the law suit would start.

 

[j-mac]

"Holy Day potently depicts the uneasy silences, pacts and conflicts between whites and blacks. In its most explosive moments, the abusive, lawless and alienating deeds of the people themselves assume a savagery that not even the remote landscape with all its treacheries and tricks can compete with."

It was raw, dramatic and real, exactly what a good professional production should be. I felt that I had been taken somewhere and left to contemplate the dark side of humanity.

No rules were broken. UIL requires that any play not on the official list of approved plays go through certain protocols, and these protocols have been met, including a sign off by the principal of the school."

How edgy should high-school theater be?

I like musicals, but there is nothing at all wrong with this story, production or presentation at this level.

Wrong….these are minors exposing themselves on stage, you sick fuck.

 

[sparky]

Free expression is often times uncomfortable and controversial, that’s what gives it its worth and value in our free and democratic society; pity that most on the right fail to understand that free expression – even when perceived to be ‘offensive’ – is also a traditional value, a value most on the right see fit to attack.

High School kids are beyond PG -- PG13/14 -- and onto R.. They can handle "subtle" adult content. But I imagine there SHOULD have a been a warning about content and parents should have been all signed on to their kid's participation..

You seem to think that kids engaging in such raw sexual display bordering onpornography is a good thing.

No rules were broken.

And the decay of our culture continues, cheered on by the usual suspects.

Seriously, the way many or most public schools obsess with sexual matters disgusts me. They are so careful not to allow any mention of God or any Christian theme be hinted at in their curriculums or programs (can no longer do Christmas carols of course) but they think nothing of telling very young children about homosexual parenting, copulation, masturbation, gay is great, choose your gender, et al.

I'd say it's entirely inappropriate for minors and I question it's supposed "artistic merit". From what I've seen nearly anything can potentially get a pass as "art" or "free expression", even the works of Marquis de Sade.

Liberals can't be trusted with children, this thread proves it.

Is this a 1st Amd issue?

~S~

 

[j-mac]

Is this a 1st Amd issue?

~S~

No, it most certainly is not...We are talking about minors here....