Here's what marijuana really does to the developing brain, according to a psychiatrist

[toobfreak]

Then you’re making it up. It has to come from somewhere.

Look, you think what you want.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Look, you think what you want.

You made the statement.

 

[BothWings]

Show the FDA approval.

The good ol' transparent "always does what's right for us" FDA! LMFAO!

 

[BothWings]

When I was young, I smoked pot almost incessantly. By seventeen, it ruined my life due to cannabis-induced derealization disorder. Been digging out of that hole for over fifty years. Watching people being fed bullshit about that drug ever since.
Pot advocates are the new reefer madness.

You're not supposed to smoke it incessantly (or with any medication for that matter) and it was also probably the wrong drug for you since it wasn't really helping you balance anything out in your life. Just because you fucked up and beat a dead horse with the wrong approach to self-medication doesn't mean everybody else who uses it does. Nearly all recovered substance abusers eventually swing the opposite way in spades and start preaching to facilitate turning against the part of themselves that almost destroyed them. The number of casual users who are still happy and fairly healthy in their retirement years is high. I know a few and NONE of them has any serious health issues of any kind, mental or physical.

 

[GLASNOST]

Spliff?

Joint.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

You're not supposed to smoke it incessantly (or with any medication for that matter) and it was also probably the wrong drug for you since it wasn't really helping you balance anything out in your life. Just because you fucked up and beat a dead horse with the wrong approach to self-medication doesn't mean everybody else who uses it does. Nearly all recovered substance abusers eventually swing the opposite way in spades and start preaching to facilitate turning against the part of themselves that almost destroyed them. The number of casual users who are still happy and fairly healthy in their retirement years is high. I know a few and NONE of them has any serious health issues of any kind, mental or physical.

Incessant is figurative. But you know that because you’re being obtuse.
Pot doesn’t require often use for disorders to manifest themselves. It can happen to a first-time user.
Why is it that people can use alcohol while totally aware of its potential harm, knowing the risks, but potheads refuse to acknowledge the inherent danger of their drug?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The good ol' transparent "always does what's right for us" FDA! LMFAO!

Dodge.

 

[BothWings]

Incessant is figurative. But you know that because you’re being obtuse.
Pot doesn’t require often use for disorders to manifest themselves. It can happen to a first-time user.
Why is it that people can use alcohol while totally aware of its potential harm, knowing the risks, but potheads refuse to acknowledge the inherent danger of their drug?

And again, that happens in certain people way more than others. It's a fact. You may not like that because YOU are of the former and not the latter and now you are rebelling against your former self and you NEED this posture in order to forever distance yourself from your that.

Drug use is a symptom as much as cause of mental health disorders. People who who turn to drugs often already had emerging issues, and they attempted to self medicate but they fucked up by taking the wrong stuff. This can happen with any type of medicinal remedy. It's risky. And some stuff, like cocaine for instance, is nothing but poison. At best it could be used for a topical anesthetic. It should never be taken internally but that's what most people do with it. I almost fucked my own life up with that, but I can still admit that it has value as a topical, and of course Andean tribes use the leaves to adjust to thin air.

I had a friend who eventually developed schizophrenia, right around the age of 22 or 23. He used a lot of drugs. He was trying to self medicate against his paranoia as it slowly crept out of him. What about all the people with schizophrenia who didn't take drugs.

I completely and totally understand your posture. It's extremely common among people who are recovered addicts and abusers who HAD to accept the "help" they got or perish. The explanations given to them by the caregivers or professionals who did that will become their new belief system as they seek to divorce themselves from their demons, which for some, as you have indicated, can become lifelong odyssey.

I don't do cocaine anymore for two simple reasons: 1. I can't afford to do it and also take care of myself and family, and 2. I'm in my mid-50's and I don't want my heart to explode. I don't need some long-winded medical mumbo-jumbo outlining complex syndromes.

It's very clear that marijuana destroys a small handful people, but not a WHOLE LOT OF OTHERS. In these days of blue states handing out marijuana cards like free concert tickets, and a lot of young people who are extremely prone to excessive and hotwired lifestyles, not to mention that the weed which is sold at dispensaries is exponentially stronger than the stuff we used to get back in the 70s and 80s.... That all contributes to abusing marijuana way beyond what it is actually useful for.

 

[BothWings]

Dodge.

How is the fact that I don't trust the FDA with my health a dodge? There is nothing to dodge. The FDA approves all kinds of garbage which is far more dangerous than marijuana.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

And again, that happens in certain people way more than others. It's a fact. You may not like that because YOU are of the former and not the latter and now you are rebelling against your former self and you NEED this posture in order to forever distance yourself from your that.

Drug use is a symptom as much as cause of mental health disorders. People who who turn to drugs often already had emerging issues, and they attempted to self medicate but they fucked up by taking the wrong stuff. This can happen with any type of medicinal remedy. It's risky. And some stuff, like cocaine for instance, is nothing but poison. At best it could be used for a topical anesthetic. It should never be taken internally but that's what most people do with it. I almost fucked my own life up with that, but I can still admit that it has value as a topical, and of course Andean tribes use the leaves to adjust to thin air.

I had a friend who eventually developed schizophrenia, right around the age of 22 or 23. He used a lot of drugs. He was trying to self medicate against his paranoia as it slowly crept out of him. What about all the people with schizophrenia who didn't take drugs.

I completely and totally understand your posture. It's extremely common among people who are recovered addicts and abusers who HAD to accept the "help" they got or perish. The explanations given to them by the caregivers or professionals who did that will become their new belief system as they seek to divorce themselves from their demons, which for some, as you have indicated, can become lifelong odyssey.

I don't do cocaine anymore for two simple reasons: 1. I can't afford to do it and also take care of myself and family, and 2. I'm in my mid-50's and I don't want my heart to explode. I don't need some long-winded medical mumbo-jumbo outlining complex syndromes.

It's very clear that marijuana destroys a small handful people, but not a WHOLE LOT OF OTHERS. In these days of blue states handing out marijuana cards like free concert tickets, and a lot of young people who are extremely prone to excessive and hotwired lifestyles, not to mention that the weed which is sold at dispensaries is exponentially stronger than the stuff we used to get back in the 70s and 80s.... That all contributes to abusing marijuana way beyond what it is actually useful for.

Pot has no use beyond intoxication.
My experience has nothing to do with addiction recovery. It has nothing to do with predisposition or history of mental illness, etc.
It is exclusively the result of pot use. Period. I know several others with similar experience.
By contrast, I know no one nor even know of anyone who developed lung disease from prolonged exposure to asbestos. Does this mean asbestos is safe? And despite asbestos having actual good purposes (insulation, fire retardant), it has been completely banned.
The asbestos people obviously wish they had the pot industry’s PR people and politicians working for them.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

How is the fact that I don't trust the FDA with my health a dodge? There is nothing to dodge. The FDA approves all kinds of garbage which is far more dangerous than marijuana.

They don’t approve without including health risk warnings.
Pot has no FDA approval. Because it isn’t medicine.

 

[BothWings]

Pot has no use beyond intoxication.
My experience has nothing to do with addiction recovery. It has nothing to do with predisposition or history of mental illness, etc.
It is exclusively the result of pot use. Period. I know several others with similar experience.
By contrast, I know no one nor even know of anyone who developed lung disease from prolonged exposure to asbestos. Does this mean asbestos is safe? And despite asbestos having actual good purposes (insulation, fire retardant), it has been completely banned.
The asbestos people obviously wish they had the pot industry’s PR people and politicians working for them.

Oh my God you used asbestos as an analogy for drugs? Do you know anyone who ingests asbestos to get high?? and you say I am obtuse??? Let's stay on the topic of drugs.

I have smoked pot with more people than I can ever count. None of them developed what you developed. It was YOU as much or more than the weed, and perhaps also the kind of people that you chose to hang out with. I know of no one who has come close to ruining their life with marijuana. You know how there are warnings for some medications regarding certain types of people who have certain conditions and all that? How they may cause "X" side effect in "Y" types of people? THINK, man. Just because it hasn't been officially recognized by the FDA (yet) doesn't mean that exactly the same caveats apply to it as well as these other legal drugs. It has some medicinal value...but there is also a risk....MORE risk for certain types of people. And maybe very detrimental for some people as well. It's very obvious that most people who are casually users live otherwise happy healthy lives for decades without any problems of any kind. Just accept that reality and stop trying to turn your personal bad experience into her religion that everyone else should follow.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Oh my God you used asbestos as an analogy for drugs? Do you know anyone who ingests asbestos to get high?? and you say I am obtuse??? Let's stay on the topic of drugs.

I have smoked pot with more people than I can ever count. None of them developed what you developed. It was YOU as much or more than the weed, and perhaps also the kind of people that you chose to hang out with. I know of no one who has come close to ruining their life with marijuana. You know how there are warnings for some medications regarding certain types of people who have certain conditions and all that? How they may cause "X" side effect in "Y" types of people? THINK, man. Just because it hasn't been officially recognized by the FDA (yet) doesn't mean that exactly the same caveats apply to it as well as these other legal drugs. It has some medicinal value...but there is also a risk....MORE risk for certain types of people. And maybe very detrimental for some people as well. It's very obvious that most people who are casually users live otherwise happy healthy lives for decades without any problems of any kind. Just accept that reality and stop trying to turn your personal bad experience into her religion that everyone else should follow.

You just made my point. You know of no one who had issues with pot therefore you think it’s safe. I know no one with issues from asbestos therefore it’s safe.
Potheads are stupid and ignorant.

 

[BothWings]

You just made my point. You know of no one who had issues with pot therefore you think it’s safe. I know no one with issues from asbestos therefore it’s safe.
Potheads are stupid and ignorant.

Sorry, but that is just a stupid comparison for reasons that should be obvious. Far more people smoke marijuana that are exposed to asbestos. Asbestos is rarely used anymore except in certain circumstances. Back when it was, many people got sick and died. With marijuana use it was the occasional person like you who was different in some way, who probably already had some kind of predisposition, or was attempting to get something out of it that it couldn't provide. So again, look who's being obtuse?

And you completely skipped the fact that I already indicated that marijuana use has varying levels of risk for different types of people.

Ok, so now you're going to call all people who smoke marijuana names. And YOU are the one who had/has the issues. Wow!

It's very clear that you carry with you a lot of self-loathing regarding this.but you project this onto others as you perpetually try to distance yourself from it.

Bye now.

 

[The Duke]

Pot causes psychosis, psychotic episodes, anxiety disorders, clinical depression, etc. Mental illness.
Established facts. Some of us have known through experience for decades.
The industry is controlling the messaging and most advocates are clueless.

Law Hammercy Reefer Madness! They got you good.
You should probably smoke a joint and reevaluate some things afterwards.

 

[The Duke]

Oh, nonononono. That wasn't pot, that was you.
Me and all my friends are just fine, mostly.
The psychotic girl is still psychotic. Pot had nothing to do with that.
A little pot isn't bad for her, tbh. That's a serious thing to deal with and she sprang that on me just after smoking a joint on the way home from school and we pulled up in my driveway and she started crying. And told me she'd been diagnosed psychotic.
I held her for quite some time. She makes it. We all love her.
She's as innocent as a retard, if that makes any sense. She needs protected.
She's way smarter than a retard, just uh..she is what she is.

 

[The Duke]

Pot is not medicine. That’s a ruse.

You made the statement.

Marijuana had nothing to do with your koo koo kadoodle stuff, brah.
Your head was off anyway.

 

[scruffy]

Could be true but I'm not sure. Sucking down lit tobacco is pretty bad. A light spliff isn't nearly as harsh.

Cigarettes have over 600 additives, including acetone, ammonia, and toluene.

Not to mention residual pesticides.

Whereas most pot is grown indoors, has no additives and no pesticides.

What is a fact is that marijuana has a biphasic effect on blood pressure, which can't be good for the capillaries.

 

[scruffy]

When I was young I loved smoking weed...now that I am a old man I can't stand it.

I quit too.

Actually I only started for medical reasons, I posted the story earlier.

But I quit, there's no need for it anymore. I'm studying data science and machine learning, can't do that stuff high.

 

[scruffy]

Pot is not medicine. That’s a ruse.

Pot is absolutely medicine. That fact has been recognized by tens of thousands of US doctors and hundreds of thousands worldwide.