Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine, Navarro vs Fauci

[MacTheKnife]

As we speak thousands of patients in N.Y. are being given the malaria drug....how long will it be before we get the reports on how well it is working?

Thousands of NY COVID patients are being treated with anti-malarial drug

As many as 4,000 seriously ill coronavirus patients in New York are being treated with the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, state health officials say. President Trump has touted hydroxychlor…

nypost.com

 

[okfine]

so far no country on ther planet has contained the virus better than us.

LOL......you funny freakazoid...

Guess where that quote of tooby came from? Today's presser. Straight out of Fat Donnie's mouth.

Actually, asshole, it came from ME, based on research I've been linked to by many people. I don't even know where these "pressers" are you talk about, but apparerntly YOU FOLLOW THEM CLOSELY! Do tell us what nations have better contained the virus than us adjusted for a population of 340 million?

FOS U. You know exactly where that quote came from.

 

[Billy000]

Trump dithered.
Americans withered...and died.

Childish.....none of the fuckers you support is doing anything and you think you're being clever......all you doing is being a ******.

Why don't go back to sucking Obama's dick, mkay?

God I hope Trump gets the virus.

 

[okfine]

Trump dithered.
Americans withered...and died.

Childish.....none of the fuckers you support is doing anything and you think you're being clever......all you doing is being a ******.

Why don't go back to sucking Obama's dick, mkay?

God I hope Trump gets the virus.

He is a virus in his own image.

 

[Dr Grump]

God I hope Trump gets the virus.

He would likely die. Boris Johnson looks healthier, yet he is in a bad way.

 

[Markle]

A memo from Peter Navarro said failure to contain a coronavirus outbreak could lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses. It is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic (Published 2020)

A memo from Peter Navarro is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

www.nytimes.com

I wonder if Navarro himself leaked the memo. It makes him look pretty damn good while it makes Trump look asleep at the wheel, doing nothing to guard the country against this deadly virus despite warnings.

You really should keep up with what has been in the news but NOT in your alphabet media, DailyKOS and the like.

Published February 1, 2020
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
By Joe McDonald, Sam McNeil | Associated Press
[...]
On Friday, the United States declared a public health emergency and President Donald Trump and an order barring entry to foreign nationals, other than immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents, who visited China within the last 14 days, which scientists say is the virus’s longest incubation period.

'Unfriendly comments'
China criticized the U.S. controls, which it said contradicted the WHO’s appeal to avoid travel bans, and “unfriendly comments” that Beijing was failing to cooperate.

“Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

WHO Secretary-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva that despite the emergency declaration, there is “no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.”
[...]
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill.

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FOX NEWS FLASH
Published 1 hour ago [03/17/20]
Dr. Ronny Jackson says Trump prevented American coronavirus pandemic on level of Italy, Iran
By Yael Halon | Fox News

Former White House physician Dr. Ronny Jackson praised President Trump Monday night after he announced a list of guidelines that he and the White House coronavirus task force hoped will slow the spread of the pandemic within 15 days.

"The president has done everything he needed to do in this case," Jackson told "Hannity". "He’s acted quickly and decisively. He did what he always has done ... he went with his instincts."

"He put together a top-notch team and he was criticized.... despite that, he carried on and did what he needed to do for our country. He put the [China] travel ban in place," he added.

Jackson said he does not expect the virus to spread at the rate that it has in places like Italy and Iran due to the president's "quick and decisive actions," notably his decision to restrict travel into the U.S. from China in late January.

Dr. Ronny Jackson says Trump prevented American coronavirus pandemic on level of Italy, Iran

 

[Sun Devil 92]

TDS thread 1,326

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Trump dithered.
Americans withered...and died.

Childish.....none of the fuckers you support is doing anything and you think you're being clever......all you doing is being a ******.

Why don't go back to sucking Obama's dick, mkay?

God I hope Trump gets the virus.

And I hope a Mack Truck runs over your ass.

That way there is no chance you recover.

 

[HappyJoy]

Yawn.............1999 to 2000 study on malaria drugs......

OH...IF YOU TAKE IT THE SIDE EFFECTS WILL KILL YOU.....

What a bunch of leftwing tools here.

Atovaquone-Proguanil versus Chloroquine-Proguanil for Malaria Prophylaxis in Nonimmune Pediatric Travelers: Results of an International, Randomized, Open-Label Study

Abstract. Atovaquone-proguanil has been shown to be effective and well tolerated for malaria prophylaxis in residents of countries of endemicity and in non

academic.oup.com

People use this stuff all the time going on vacation to Kenya.

OMFG......WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.

Anti-Malaria tablets while in Kenya - Kenya Forum - Tripadvisor

Answer 1 of 7: Hi All, We are travelling to Kenya in the first week of August and the places include Nairobi, Masai Mara, Amboseli and Lake Nakuru. We have got the Yellow fever shots and the polio drops. I read that Anti-Malaria tablets are important too. I was...

www.tripadvisor.com

I thought we were talking about taking a malaria drug for COVID 19 where it may or may not be beneficial.

I saw posts Fear mongering the side effects of using drugs that we have used for DECADES......hell.......for 40 plus years....................

And now..........it's IF YOU TAKE THEM YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.............LOL

That is a JOKE........I took the dang things when we ported in Kenya in the 80's..........lol

I don't think we know the true effects of this drug combined with what COVID-19 is already doing to the body. For example both are not good for people with heart conditions.

Which I'm sure you would be pointing out if Piglosi was behind it's usage and the President against it.

I'm not you, but thanks for letting me know where your head is at.

 

[EvMetro]

Yawn.............1999 to 2000 study on malaria drugs......

OH...IF YOU TAKE IT THE SIDE EFFECTS WILL KILL YOU.....

What a bunch of leftwing tools here.

Atovaquone-Proguanil versus Chloroquine-Proguanil for Malaria Prophylaxis in Nonimmune Pediatric Travelers: Results of an International, Randomized, Open-Label Study

Abstract. Atovaquone-proguanil has been shown to be effective and well tolerated for malaria prophylaxis in residents of countries of endemicity and in non

academic.oup.com

People use this stuff all the time going on vacation to Kenya.

OMFG......WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.

Anti-Malaria tablets while in Kenya - Kenya Forum - Tripadvisor

Answer 1 of 7: Hi All, We are travelling to Kenya in the first week of August and the places include Nairobi, Masai Mara, Amboseli and Lake Nakuru. We have got the Yellow fever shots and the polio drops. I read that Anti-Malaria tablets are important too. I was...

www.tripadvisor.com

I thought we were talking about taking a malaria drug for COVID 19 where it may or may not be beneficial.

I saw posts Fear mongering the side effects of using drugs that we have used for DECADES......hell.......for 40 plus years....................

And now..........it's IF YOU TAKE THEM YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.............LOL

That is a JOKE........I took the dang things when we ported in Kenya in the 80's..........lol

I don't think we know the true effects of this drug combined with what COVID-19 is already doing to the body. For example both are not good for people with heart conditions.

So far, the side effects of the drug combined with covid 19 include having the patient become symptom free and checking out of hospitals.

 

[Indeependent]

A memo from Peter Navarro said failure to contain a coronavirus outbreak could lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses. It is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic (Published 2020)

A memo from Peter Navarro is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

www.nytimes.com

[/URL]
I wonder if Navarro himself leaked the memo. It makes him look pretty damn good while it makes Trump look asleep at the wheel, doing nothing to guard the country against this deadly virus despite warnings.

Been awhile since we had a real President. Time to get one. Sure could use one.

Who?

Thought you offed yourself.

Unfortunately I can't, I am the chosen one..

Sucks to be you

You must be posting from hell.

How did you know conversing with you is hell?

I'm not your problem... look in the mirror.

You're your own problem so please don't look in the mirror; find a therapist.

 

[theHawk]

I agree. Dr Fauci's idea of a shutdown until no new cases appear is insane. He was speaking from a medical utopian perspective with no grounding in reality. We've already been shafted by the "expert" whose original models projected millions of deaths from CV-19.

Yea, the problem with the “shutdown until” is even if we get to the point of little or no new cases, we still have illegals crossing the border and people traveling in and out of the US. The virus will keep coming back.

Once we get medical supplies and facilities ramped up to take care of more people, the “shutdown” needs to be lifted.

 

[EvMetro]

Side effects from hydroxychloroquine are really very minimal. It’s used as first line in Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis specifically because it’s so benign.

The people listing what is on the packet insert really don’t know what they’re talking about.

Several years ago my throat began to swell up. It got a little difficult to breathe and swallow. About 2:00 am I went to the emergency room, and they took me right away. They started an IV on me. When the doctor came in, he told me the swelling in my throat was serious, and caused by my high blood pressure medication. I told the doctor I have been taking that medication for a couple of years. He told me that is irrelevant.

They cleaned me out, he instructed me never to take the medication again, and consult my doctor for a replacement.

A few weeks later, I looked into the drug. Other people experienced what I did. Some have died from being suffocated to death. They still sell that drug on the market today.

Angioedema is not extremely uncommon with that drug and probably way over reported. Deaths from it are extremely uncommon. The thing Is there is a significant mortality benefit from using that drug so benefits outweigh risks.

In terms of hydroxychloroqine, the benefits are uncertain. Let’s say it prevents every single death from COVID. Since mortality is only 1%, you have to treat 100 patients just to save one life. In terms of medicine, that’s called number needed to treat, and 100 is up there, although not extremely high. The benefit is probably pretty low. The risks are also low.

In the grand scheme of things, big picture stuff, this is really just not very relevant. If it works, or doesn’t work, this is really not that important.

From what I understand, the symptoms of this thing can be torturous. So even if somebody could survive without it, the drug itself might make people much more comfortable until they are over it. If so, that in itself would be worth using it.

Again, I'd rather endure some discomfort than permanent kidney damage or blindness. I endured 28 hours of labour with no pain meds (they reduced the effectiveness of the contractions), I can do torturous. I have experience.

Good for you, but some people can't. Furthermore it makes no sense to allow people to suffer like that if they don't have to because of politics, which this is really all about.

No Ray. This is not all about politics. This is about science. What Trump is doing is giving false hope. It's selling snake oil to frightened and desperate people. It would not suprise me one bit if the company which manufactures this drug is owned by friends of Donald Trump.

I have read every report I could find on this drug and I read nothing, that leads me to believe this drug is any kind of cure for this virus. As an asthmatic, I'll look at everything out there, and I've taken drugs, knowing that it has probably done real damage, but on the other hand, I'd be dead without it. There is nothing that I've seen that would give me any real hope on this one.

This is no different than Trump telling you that one day the virus will disappear, like magic. He desperately wants a magic pill to make it all go away, and that's not going to happen.

Omfg, lefties are so screwed on their position that they have on this drug. I can't imagine having to ignore all the people who have been getting cured with this drug. Lefties got on the wrong side of this because they were still protesting Trump's big victory in 2016, but Trump is on the winning side again on this drug. Lefties are so screwed on this.

 

[EvMetro]

I agree. Dr Fauci's idea of a shutdown until no new cases appear is insane. He was speaking from a medical utopian perspective with no grounding in reality. We've already been shafted by the "expert" whose original models projected millions of deaths from CV-19.

Yea, the problem with the “shutdown until” is even if we get to the point of little or no new cases, we still have illegals crossing the border and people traveling in and out of the US. The virus will keep coming back.

Once we get medical supplies and facilities ramped up to take care of more people, the “shutdown” needs to be lifted.

Fauci's "shutdown until" was a war call to me. I saw people pay the ultimate price for our freedom when I served the country, and my plan is to honor them by living by "live free or die". Fauci called for endless communism when he said what he did about zero cases, but I will never surrender.

 

[okfine]

Trump dithered.
Americans withered...and died.

Stop your bullshit, once again the libtards fought against trumps travel ban, **** face

You still having dreams of going down the river in your little boat?

 

[okfine]

A memo from Peter Navarro said failure to contain a coronavirus outbreak could lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses. It is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic (Published 2020)

A memo from Peter Navarro is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

www.nytimes.com

[/URL]
I wonder if Navarro himself leaked the memo. It makes him look pretty damn good while it makes Trump look asleep at the wheel, doing nothing to guard the country against this deadly virus despite warnings.

Been awhile since we had a real President. Time to get one. Sure could use one.

Who?

Thought you offed yourself.

Unfortunately I can't, I am the chosen one..

Sucks to be you

You must be posting from hell.

How did you know conversing with you is hell?

I'm not your problem... look in the mirror.

You're your own problem so please don't look in the mirror; find a therapist.

Try harder when you strike at me. You really suck at it.

 

[Dragonlady]

Side effects from hydroxychloroquine are really very minimal. It’s used as first line in Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis specifically because it’s so benign.

The people listing what is on the packet insert really don’t know what they’re talking about.

Several years ago my throat began to swell up. It got a little difficult to breathe and swallow. About 2:00 am I went to the emergency room, and they took me right away. They started an IV on me. When the doctor came in, he told me the swelling in my throat was serious, and caused by my high blood pressure medication. I told the doctor I have been taking that medication for a couple of years. He told me that is irrelevant.

They cleaned me out, he instructed me never to take the medication again, and consult my doctor for a replacement.

A few weeks later, I looked into the drug. Other people experienced what I did. Some have died from being suffocated to death. They still sell that drug on the market today.

Angioedema is not extremely uncommon with that drug and probably way over reported. Deaths from it are extremely uncommon. The thing Is there is a significant mortality benefit from using that drug so benefits outweigh risks.

In terms of hydroxychloroqine, the benefits are uncertain. Let’s say it prevents every single death from COVID. Since mortality is only 1%, you have to treat 100 patients just to save one life. In terms of medicine, that’s called number needed to treat, and 100 is up there, although not extremely high. The benefit is probably pretty low. The risks are also low.

In the grand scheme of things, big picture stuff, this is really just not very relevant. If it works, or doesn’t work, this is really not that important.

From what I understand, the symptoms of this thing can be torturous. So even if somebody could survive without it, the drug itself might make people much more comfortable until they are over it. If so, that in itself would be worth using it.

Again, I'd rather endure some discomfort than permanent kidney damage or blindness. I endured 28 hours of labour with no pain meds (they reduced the effectiveness of the contractions), I can do torturous. I have experience.

Good for you, but some people can't. Furthermore it makes no sense to allow people to suffer like that if they don't have to because of politics, which this is really all about.

No Ray. This is not all about politics. This is about science. What Trump is doing is giving false hope. It's selling snake oil to frightened and desperate people. It would not suprise me one bit if the company which manufactures this drug is owned by friends of Donald Trump.

I have read every report I could find on this drug and I read nothing, that leads me to believe this drug is any kind of cure for this virus. As an asthmatic, I'll look at everything out there, and I've taken drugs, knowing that it has probably done real damage, but on the other hand, I'd be dead without it. There is nothing that I've seen that would give me any real hope on this one.

This is no different than Trump telling you that one day the virus will disappear, like magic. He desperately wants a magic pill to make it all go away, and that's not going to happen.

Omfg, lefties are so screwed on their position that they have on this drug. I can't imagine having to ignore all the people who have been getting cured with this drug. Lefties got on the wrong side of this because they were still protesting Trump's big victory in 2016, but Trump is on the winning side again on this drug. Lefties are so screwed on this.

OMG, I couldn't find a single patient who has been cured by this drug, or a single doctor who would recommend it. All I could find is a bunch of people like you who think Donald Trump knows what he's talking about.

 

[OKTexas]

Stop your bullshit, once again the libtards fought against trumps travel ban, **** face

That was too little too late.

Just more racism porn.

Go blow it out your loose and gaping ass pissaunt.

You stupid ****, the WHO and China were both saying the virus wasn't transmittable person to person at that time. You're just an ignorant hack.

.

 

[EvMetro]

Side effects from hydroxychloroquine are really very minimal. It’s used as first line in Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis specifically because it’s so benign.

The people listing what is on the packet insert really don’t know what they’re talking about.

Several years ago my throat began to swell up. It got a little difficult to breathe and swallow. About 2:00 am I went to the emergency room, and they took me right away. They started an IV on me. When the doctor came in, he told me the swelling in my throat was serious, and caused by my high blood pressure medication. I told the doctor I have been taking that medication for a couple of years. He told me that is irrelevant.

They cleaned me out, he instructed me never to take the medication again, and consult my doctor for a replacement.

A few weeks later, I looked into the drug. Other people experienced what I did. Some have died from being suffocated to death. They still sell that drug on the market today.

Angioedema is not extremely uncommon with that drug and probably way over reported. Deaths from it are extremely uncommon. The thing Is there is a significant mortality benefit from using that drug so benefits outweigh risks.

In terms of hydroxychloroqine, the benefits are uncertain. Let’s say it prevents every single death from COVID. Since mortality is only 1%, you have to treat 100 patients just to save one life. In terms of medicine, that’s called number needed to treat, and 100 is up there, although not extremely high. The benefit is probably pretty low. The risks are also low.

In the grand scheme of things, big picture stuff, this is really just not very relevant. If it works, or doesn’t work, this is really not that important.

From what I understand, the symptoms of this thing can be torturous. So even if somebody could survive without it, the drug itself might make people much more comfortable until they are over it. If so, that in itself would be worth using it.

Again, I'd rather endure some discomfort than permanent kidney damage or blindness. I endured 28 hours of labour with no pain meds (they reduced the effectiveness of the contractions), I can do torturous. I have experience.

Good for you, but some people can't. Furthermore it makes no sense to allow people to suffer like that if they don't have to because of politics, which this is really all about.

No Ray. This is not all about politics. This is about science. What Trump is doing is giving false hope. It's selling snake oil to frightened and desperate people. It would not suprise me one bit if the company which manufactures this drug is owned by friends of Donald Trump.

I have read every report I could find on this drug and I read nothing, that leads me to believe this drug is any kind of cure for this virus. As an asthmatic, I'll look at everything out there, and I've taken drugs, knowing that it has probably done real damage, but on the other hand, I'd be dead without it. There is nothing that I've seen that would give me any real hope on this one.

This is no different than Trump telling you that one day the virus will disappear, like magic. He desperately wants a magic pill to make it all go away, and that's not going to happen.

Omfg, lefties are so screwed on their position that they have on this drug. I can't imagine having to ignore all the people who have been getting cured with this drug. Lefties got on the wrong side of this because they were still protesting Trump's big victory in 2016, but Trump is on the winning side again on this drug. Lefties are so screwed on this.

OMG, I couldn't find a single patient who has been cured by this drug, or a single doctor who would recommend it. All I could find is a bunch of people like you who think Donald Trump knows what he's talking about.

Lefties kinda remind me of chickens. Chickens are able to shit while they look you in the eye, no shame. Lefties can lie without having a bit of shame.

 

[Muhammed]

Side effects from hydroxychloroquine are really very minimal. It’s used as first line in Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis specifically because it’s so benign.

The people listing what is on the packet insert really don’t know what they’re talking about.

Several years ago my throat began to swell up. It got a little difficult to breathe and swallow. About 2:00 am I went to the emergency room, and they took me right away. They started an IV on me. When the doctor came in, he told me the swelling in my throat was serious, and caused by my high blood pressure medication. I told the doctor I have been taking that medication for a couple of years. He told me that is irrelevant.

They cleaned me out, he instructed me never to take the medication again, and consult my doctor for a replacement.

A few weeks later, I looked into the drug. Other people experienced what I did. Some have died from being suffocated to death. They still sell that drug on the market today.

Angioedema is not extremely uncommon with that drug and probably way over reported. Deaths from it are extremely uncommon. The thing Is there is a significant mortality benefit from using that drug so benefits outweigh risks.

In terms of hydroxychloroqine, the benefits are uncertain. Let’s say it prevents every single death from COVID. Since mortality is only 1%, you have to treat 100 patients just to save one life. In terms of medicine, that’s called number needed to treat, and 100 is up there, although not extremely high. The benefit is probably pretty low. The risks are also low.

In the grand scheme of things, big picture stuff, this is really just not very relevant. If it works, or doesn’t work, this is really not that important.

From what I understand, the symptoms of this thing can be torturous. So even if somebody could survive without it, the drug itself might make people much more comfortable until they are over it. If so, that in itself would be worth using it.

Again, I'd rather endure some discomfort than permanent kidney damage or blindness. I endured 28 hours of labour with no pain meds (they reduced the effectiveness of the contractions), I can do torturous. I have experience.

Were you waterboarded during labor, or did you breathe?