HEADS UP: Sheriff Joe Arpaio 2:30 Live Press Conference On Obama's Eligibility Thread

[Rat in the Hat]

If it was Romney you'd want him disqualified. Have some integrity for once.

Ha. You'll never see Romney's birth certificate unless you can find the magic hat and the seer stones.

 

[candycorn]

Wow...total non-story. Imagine my shock

 

[Peach]

Wow...total non-story. Imagine my shock

My sister's birth certificate had her named spelled incorrectly; my father's was lost in a flood in Kentucky. We were lucky to find two men in their 60's alive and available to attest to his birth, or his Navy retirement might not have been "allowed", after 29 YEARS. Nothing unusual about Obama's, I still see some listing the wrong county, and know of a couple other states that issue "Certificates of Live Birth". The statute Arpaio found is not what he said it is. He may need to be tested for dementia.

This is MORE useless than "Bain in Vain".

 

[GuyNTexas]

The Statute Arpaio references does not state what he seems to believe it does:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-17.5 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-17.5: Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth.[/url]

Actually, I think you're a bit confused. This portion of the law you posted relates to the Judicial procedure for addressing a rejected delayed certificate of birth submission, having nothing at all to do with the details of the sheriff's investigation of Obama's BC.

The applicable area of the law properly related to the matter is:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-6 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-6: Local agent to prepare birth certificate

(a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.

(b) The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as "delayed" or "altered." [L 1949, c 327, §10; RL 1955, §57-9; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-6]

So what the investigators reported was indeed true .... not just the parents ... but any person having "knowledge" of a birth can provide the information to the local health department agent for the preparation of a birth certificate, as clearly stated in the law.

Now, regardless of one's personal views or disposition regarding President Obama's BC or eligibility issues, this news conference revealed disturbing information that is an entirely separate matter to the the question of President Obama's birth certificate or eligibility, which every American should be outraged about ... and particularly those naturalized citizens who actually completed the lengthy legal requirements of becoming American citizens. Anyone who rejects that is simply allowing their political biases to overrule common sense.

What the Sheriff's investigation has subsequently brought to attention is a gaping hole in Hawaiian law that still exists at present, that completely circumvents US immigration law and procedure, allowing virtually anyone born anywhere in the world to easily attain through false testimony or affidavit, an Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, which could falsely be presented as proof of US Citizenship. This situation also creates an entirely new "anchor baby" argument, in that the baby no longer needs to even be physically born on US soil since anyone can just claim the baby was born in Hawaii and viola! It's done.

In these post 911 days of the constant threat of terrorism, and the extremes we have been asked to endure as Citizens for the sake of security, it is an outrage beyond words to find out that an "Osama Bin Laden" type or disciple from a hostile country could so easily bypass US immigration laws and attain an officially issued Hawaiian Birth Certificate, granting them free mobility throughout the country as a legitimate US Citizen, which poses a clear threat to National Security. This is a secondary matter to the issue of President Obama, and warrants immediate investigation by those responsible for enforcing US immigration policy.

When the Sheriff announced several days ago that they would be presenting new, shocking information obtained in the ongoing investigation today .. I think everyone simply assumed that it would apply to the issues related to Obama's BC .... but that is not the case. As for Obama's birth certificate, I didn't see any real news over and above what has already been presented .... but this hole in Hawaiian law is new news, and is quite shocking to anyone with an IQ larger than their waist size.

This irrational hostility directed at Arpaio is obviously politically driven by leftists who care more about politics than the law .... but regardless of one's political leanings or ideology, what everyone has to understand is that "Government" must be held to strict adherence to the law, just as Government expects the people to do. And that is true of both the federal and state governments, and it's officials. In this instance, Hawaii has left the door wide open for the circumvention of our immigration and border security laws, which must be closed. If that is inconvenient to "your guy" who may be skirting the law ... "your guy" can only do it for 8 years ... then there will be a new guy, who might not be "your guy" doing it next time ... but then it will be too late for you to fuss about the law, as you've already supported the precedent set by allowing "your guy" to break the law. That's why it is important for ALL Americans to demand that ALL elected officials abide by the law, whether you voted for them or not. And if Hawaii's laws pose a security threat to all of us, and are not in compliance with the national immigration laws that exist ... it is everyone's business, because they are violating the laws that affect all of us, and that must be stopped.

This is the same principle at the foundation of restricting government powers. Today, unrestricted power may be convenient for some who support the current policy agendas, but that might not be true tomorrow, or 10 years from now when someone might come along ... (hint to Liberals) who might be characterized as an extremist right wing fanatic who will then turn right around and use that unrestricted power against you.

The same power that the liberals endorse for forcing all Americans to buy health insurance, or for banning guns, or banning smoking can be applied to a lot of things that might not be so desirable for you! And if history is clear about only one thing .. it's been proven that power shifts back and forth periodically ... and it's only a matter of time before someone could come along and use that very same power you so enthusiastically support today to hypothetically speaking ... ban homosexuality, label it a felony offense, with mandatory prison sentences, or declare anyone who is HIV positive to be locked up and quarantined from society, for life.

And, don't even think for a second that any possibility isn't a possibility in a country who believes they must feel around inside your boxer shorts and bras to make sure there are no terrorists hiding in there.

If there is anything that we should have learned by now ... anything is possible, and nothing should be taken for granted .... including the benevolent application of government power.

 

[Moonglow]

If it was Romney you'd want him disqualified. Have some integrity for once.

Ha. You'll never see Romney's birth certificate unless you can find the magic hat and the seer stones.

it's in his fundie undie footchest.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GuyNTexas, along with Sh'ruf Joe, is completely wacks.

 

[GuyNTexas]

The Sherriff ain't got shit. He's just a political hack trying to get into the spotlight.
He is under investigation for corruption, civil rights abuses, and has petitions being circulated to throw him out of office.

I lived in AZ for more than 25 years. Arpaio is indeed as corrupt as they come but he always manages skate just under the law. He's never had anything and never will. Neither does disgusting Trump.

But, every so often, they'll bring it up again because rw's need reasons to hate the president and they're gullible. Rs repeat their shit often enough, rw's will believe it.

Every time one of you makes such a provably ridiculous statement, you are identifying yourself as either a political minion hack, or someone lacking in basic intelligence, and most likely a combination of both.

The evidence identifying the Birth Certificate as a clear forgery is overwhelmingly clear and beyond question for anyone of marginal intelligence or higher. It's a $10 Rolex Watch sold on the street type fake. But that itself does not prove that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii .. just that the Birth Certificate is a fake.

And it also does not prove that Obama would necessarily be involved in the forging ... or whether he would even know if any information of his birth was not true. None of us know anything more about where and when we were born, other than what we've been told all our lives since we were old enough to understand such things.

There are many possibilities for why that might have been done too, and not just because he was born on foreign soil. He could have very well been born in Hawaii ... but the original BC could have included embarrassing information, such as no father listed ... or a different father listed than the one assumed to be Obama Sr.

The issue is, something is being kept secret ... and the American people have a right to know the truth. You yourself cannot even get a driver's license without proof of your identity, and our laws have a specific status requirement for the President and Vice President, regardless of how much YOU like him.

 

[Peach]

The Statute Arpaio references does not state what he seems to believe it does:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-17.5 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-17.5: Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth.[/url]

Actually, I think you're a bit confused. This portion of the law you posted relates to the Judicial procedure for addressing a rejected delayed certificate of birth submission, having nothing at all to do with the details of the sheriff's investigation of Obama's BC.

The applicable area of the law properly related to the matter is:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-6 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-6: Local agent to prepare birth certificate

(a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.

(b) The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as "delayed" or "altered." [L 1949, c 327, §10; RL 1955, §57-9; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-6]

So what the investigators reported was indeed true .... not just the parents ... but any person having "knowledge" of a birth can provide the information to the local health department agent for the preparation of a birth certificate, as clearly stated in the law.

Now, regardless of one's personal views or disposition regarding President Obama's BC or eligibility issues, this news conference revealed disturbing information that is an entirely separate matter to the the question of President Obama's birth certificate or eligibility, which every American should be outraged about ... and particularly those naturalized citizens who actually completed the lengthy legal requirements of becoming American citizens. Anyone who rejects that is simply allowing their political biases to overrule common sense.

What the Sheriff's investigation has subsequently brought to attention is a gaping hole in Hawaiian law that still exists at present, that completely circumvents US immigration law and procedure, allowing virtually anyone born anywhere in the world to easily attain through false testimony or affidavit, an Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, which could falsely be presented as proof of US Citizenship. This situation also creates an entirely new "anchor baby" argument, in that the baby no longer needs to even be physically born on US soil since anyone can just claim the baby was born in Hawaii and viola! It's done.

In these post 911 days of the constant threat of terrorism, and the extremes we have been asked to endure as Citizens for the sake of security, it is an outrage beyond words to find out that an "Osama Bin Laden" type or disciple from a hostile country could so easily bypass US immigration laws and attain an officially issued Hawaiian Birth Certificate, granting them free mobility throughout the country as a legitimate US Citizen, which poses a clear threat to National Security. This is a secondary matter to the issue of President Obama, and warrants immediate investigation by those responsible for enforcing US immigration policy.

When the Sheriff announced several days ago that they would be presenting new, shocking information obtained in the ongoing investigation today .. I think everyone simply assumed that it would apply to the issues related to Obama's BC .... but that is not the case. As for Obama's birth certificate, I didn't see any real news over and above what has already been presented .... but this hole in Hawaiian law is new news, and is quite shocking to anyone with an IQ larger than their waist size.

This irrational hostility directed at Arpaio is obviously politically driven by leftists who care more about politics than the law .... but regardless of one's political leanings or ideology, what everyone has to understand is that "Government" must be held to strict adherence to the law, just as Government expects the people to do. And that is true of both the federal and state governments, and it's officials. In this instance, Hawaii has left the door wide open for the circumvention of our immigration and border security laws, which must be closed. If that is inconvenient to "your guy" who may be skirting the law ... "your guy" can only do it for 8 years ... then there will be a new guy, who might not be "your guy" doing it next time ... but then it will be too late for you to fuss about the law, as you've already supported the precedent set by allowing "your guy" to break the law. That's why it is important for ALL Americans to demand that ALL elected officials abide by the law, whether you voted for them or not. And if Hawaii's laws pose a security threat to all of us, and are not in compliance with the national immigration laws that exist ... it is everyone's business, because they are violating the laws that affect all of us, and that must be stopped.

This is the same principle at the foundation of restricting government powers. Today, unrestricted power may be convenient for some who support the current policy agendas, but that might not be true tomorrow, or 10 years from now when someone might come along ... (hint to Liberals) who might be characterized as an extremist right wing fanatic who will then turn right around and use that unrestricted power against you.

The same power that the liberals endorse for forcing all Americans to buy health insurance, or for banning guns, or banning smoking can be applied to a lot of things that might not be so desirable for you! And if history is clear about only one thing .. it's been proven that power shifts back and forth periodically ... and it's only a matter of time before someone could come along and use that very same power you so enthusiastically support today to hypothetically speaking ... ban homosexuality, label it a felony offense, with mandatory prison sentences, or declare anyone who is HIV positive to be locked up and quarantined from society, for life.

And, don't even think for a second that any possibility isn't a possibility in a country who believes they must feel around inside your boxer shorts and bras to make sure there are no terrorists hiding in there.

If there is anything that we should have learned by now ... anything is possible, and nothing should be taken for granted .... including the benevolent application of government power.

You left out 338.17 OF COURSE:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-17.5 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-17.5: Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth.

 

[Peach]

338.17 requires definite proof of birth within Hawaii, Arpaio loses again, when it comes to law. He need to try fantasy fiction, he is a natural.

 

[GuyNTexas]

GuyNTexas, along with Sh'ruf Joe, is completely wacks.

You know ... if you find something I've stated that is in error, by all means, do point it out specifically.

I mean, surely you can demonstrate that superior liberal intellect we all hear so much about more effectively than just a childish quip ... but at least get the grammar right ....

"are complete wacks" not "is completely wacks" ... that happens to be two grammatical mistakes in just three words.

Sharp as a bowling ball.

 

[Moonglow]

GuyNTexas, along with Sh'ruf Joe, is completely wacks.

You know ... if you find something I've stated that is in error, by all means, do point it out specifically.

I mean, surely you can demonstrate that superior liberal intellect we all hear so much about more effectively than just a childish quip ... but at least get the grammar right ....

"are complete wacks" not "is completely wacks" ... that happens to be two grammatical mistakes in just three words.

Sharp as a bowling ball.

still nothing has changed. Do you not think that when someone runs for office of president they are checked out to cover any problems during the election, or after being elected?
If obama was born in another country, it would not be the first time a non-natural born citizen became president.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

The sheriff introduced damning evidence. There was a time that the media would salivate at breaking a story like this. Instead, I watch as their coverage just demeans the man and they don't bother to address the claims or investigate them.

 

[GuyNTexas]

The Statute Arpaio references does not state what he seems to believe it does:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-17.5 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-17.5: Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth.[/url]

Actually, I think you're a bit confused. This portion of the law you posted relates to the Judicial procedure for addressing a rejected delayed certificate of birth submission, having nothing at all to do with the details of the sheriff's investigation of Obama's BC.

The applicable area of the law properly related to the matter is:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-6 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-6: Local agent to prepare birth certificate

(a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.

(b) The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as "delayed" or "altered." [L 1949, c 327, §10; RL 1955, §57-9; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-6]

So what the investigators reported was indeed true .... not just the parents ... but any person having "knowledge" of a birth can provide the information to the local health department agent for the preparation of a birth certificate, as clearly stated in the law.

Now, regardless of one's personal views or disposition regarding President Obama's BC or eligibility issues, this news conference revealed disturbing information that is an entirely separate matter to the the question of President Obama's birth certificate or eligibility, which every American should be outraged about ... and particularly those naturalized citizens who actually completed the lengthy legal requirements of becoming American citizens. Anyone who rejects that is simply allowing their political biases to overrule common sense.

What the Sheriff's investigation has subsequently brought to attention is a gaping hole in Hawaiian law that still exists at present, that completely circumvents US immigration law and procedure, allowing virtually anyone born anywhere in the world to easily attain through false testimony or affidavit, an Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, which could falsely be presented as proof of US Citizenship. This situation also creates an entirely new "anchor baby" argument, in that the baby no longer needs to even be physically born on US soil since anyone can just claim the baby was born in Hawaii and viola! It's done.

In these post 911 days of the constant threat of terrorism, and the extremes we have been asked to endure as Citizens for the sake of security, it is an outrage beyond words to find out that an "Osama Bin Laden" type or disciple from a hostile country could so easily bypass US immigration laws and attain an officially issued Hawaiian Birth Certificate, granting them free mobility throughout the country as a legitimate US Citizen, which poses a clear threat to National Security. This is a secondary matter to the issue of President Obama, and warrants immediate investigation by those responsible for enforcing US immigration policy.

When the Sheriff announced several days ago that they would be presenting new, shocking information obtained in the ongoing investigation today .. I think everyone simply assumed that it would apply to the issues related to Obama's BC .... but that is not the case. As for Obama's birth certificate, I didn't see any real news over and above what has already been presented .... but this hole in Hawaiian law is new news, and is quite shocking to anyone with an IQ larger than their waist size.

This irrational hostility directed at Arpaio is obviously politically driven by leftists who care more about politics than the law .... but regardless of one's political leanings or ideology, what everyone has to understand is that "Government" must be held to strict adherence to the law, just as Government expects the people to do. And that is true of both the federal and state governments, and it's officials. In this instance, Hawaii has left the door wide open for the circumvention of our immigration and border security laws, which must be closed. If that is inconvenient to "your guy" who may be skirting the law ... "your guy" can only do it for 8 years ... then there will be a new guy, who might not be "your guy" doing it next time ... but then it will be too late for you to fuss about the law, as you've already supported the precedent set by allowing "your guy" to break the law. That's why it is important for ALL Americans to demand that ALL elected officials abide by the law, whether you voted for them or not. And if Hawaii's laws pose a security threat to all of us, and are not in compliance with the national immigration laws that exist ... it is everyone's business, because they are violating the laws that affect all of us, and that must be stopped.

This is the same principle at the foundation of restricting government powers. Today, unrestricted power may be convenient for some who support the current policy agendas, but that might not be true tomorrow, or 10 years from now when someone might come along ... (hint to Liberals) who might be characterized as an extremist right wing fanatic who will then turn right around and use that unrestricted power against you.

The same power that the liberals endorse for forcing all Americans to buy health insurance, or for banning guns, or banning smoking can be applied to a lot of things that might not be so desirable for you! And if history is clear about only one thing .. it's been proven that power shifts back and forth periodically ... and it's only a matter of time before someone could come along and use that very same power you so enthusiastically support today to hypothetically speaking ... ban homosexuality, label it a felony offense, with mandatory prison sentences, or declare anyone who is HIV positive to be locked up and quarantined from society, for life.

And, don't even think for a second that any possibility isn't a possibility in a country who believes they must feel around inside your boxer shorts and bras to make sure there are no terrorists hiding in there.

If there is anything that we should have learned by now ... anything is possible, and nothing should be taken for granted .... including the benevolent application of government power.

You left out 338.17 OF COURSE:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-17.5 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-17.5: Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth.

The reason why I left it out is because it is not relevant ... of course.

338-17.5 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-17.5: Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth.

A) If a delayed certificate of birth is rejected under section 338-16, a petition may be filed with the circuit court for an order establishing a record of the date and place of the birth and the parentage of the person whose birth is to be registered.

338-17.5 is therefore a statutory appeal procedure for judicial action to establish birth data when a late or altered birth record filing has been rejected by the Department of Health, under 338-16.

338-16 - d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.

Neither if these statutes apply to the situation ... because 1) Obama's birth registration was neither a late or altered record, and was not rejected by the Department of Health.

And you don't need to be a lawyer to understand this ... it's really quite simple, and only requires grade school reading skills.

 

[BDBoop]

GuyNTexas, along with Sh'ruf Joe, is completely wacks.

You know ... if you find something I've stated that is in error, by all means, do point it out specifically.

I mean, surely you can demonstrate that superior liberal intellect we all hear so much about more effectively than just a childish quip ... but at least get the grammar right ....

"are complete wacks" not "is completely wacks" ... that happens to be two grammatical mistakes in just three words.

Sharp as a bowling ball.

Texas. Case, consider yourself rested.

 

[Moonglow]

GuyNTexas, along with Sh'ruf Joe, is completely wacks.

You know ... if you find something I've stated that is in error, by all means, do point it out specifically.

I mean, surely you can demonstrate that superior liberal intellect we all hear so much about more effectively than just a childish quip ... but at least get the grammar right ....

"are complete wacks" not "is completely wacks" ... that happens to be two grammatical mistakes in just three words.

Sharp as a bowling ball.

Texas. Case, consider yourself rested.

A rather condescending Texan, no?

 

[BDBoop]

You know ... if you find something I've stated that is in error, by all means, do point it out specifically.

I mean, surely you can demonstrate that superior liberal intellect we all hear so much about more effectively than just a childish quip ... but at least get the grammar right ....

"are complete wacks" not "is completely wacks" ... that happens to be two grammatical mistakes in just three words.

Sharp as a bowling ball.

Texas. Case, consider yourself rested.

A rather condescending Texan, no?

Isn't that redundant?

 

[GuyNTexas]

still nothing has changed. Do you not think that when someone runs for office of president they are checked out to cover any problems during the election, or after being elected?

What an idiotic statement!

Obviously, he was not checked out before ... nor does it appear that the responsible parties are willing to do it now. Hawaii won't even certify that what has been presented is an actual document provided by them .... which should be a bloody clue

If obama was born in another country, it would not be the first time a non-natural born citizen became president.

Now we're getting to the heart of the matter .... you believe it doesn't matter. But you're wrong .... without documentation, Obama hasn't proven that he is even a legal resident in this country, let alone a citizen, natural born or otherwise.

And who are you referring to that was president who was not a citizen? If such a person exists, then he too was in office illegally. The deal is, it doesn't matter .... a crime is a crime, and the law is the law. People have committed murder before too ... does that mean it's OK to commit murder now, since others have done it before?

Try to think rationally .... I know it's hard for you Obamabots ... but try.

 

[BDBoop]

We already have 17 more just like you. I know you think you're all special n'shit - but you're mistaken.

 

[kiwiman127]

Well, that was an exciting event! Same old shit, just a different messenger! What a shock.

 

[Moonglow]

still nothing has changed. Do you not think that when someone runs for office of president they are checked out to cover any problems during the election, or after being elected?

What an idiotic statement!

Obviously, he was not checked out before ... nor does it appear that the responsible parties are willing to do it now. Hawaii won't even certify that what has been presented is an actual document provided by them .... which should be a bloody clue

If obama was born in another country, it would not be the first time a non-natural born citizen became president.

Now we're getting to the heart of the matter .... you believe it doesn't matter. But you're wrong .... without documentation, Obama hasn't proven that he is even a legal resident in this country, let alone a citizen, natural born or otherwise.

And who are you referring to that was president who was not a citizen? If such a person exists, then he too was in office illegally. The deal is, it doesn't matter .... a crime is a crime, and the law is the law. People have committed murder before too ... does that mean it's OK to commit murder now, since others have done it before?

Try to think rationally .... I know it's hard for you Obamabots ... but try.

Hardly does a Texan spell his state without adding his ass.

Do you know how to communicate without the inflamitory bullshit you spew?
If your so damn smart you would know who was president in the past that was not a natural born citizen.
The state of Hawaii has stated several times that his original BC is there and he is a natural born citizen, no laws were broken.
If your broken record of a brain could only see that there is a process when applying for the office of president. The State dept and the FBI check your background.
Obama has produced what was ask of him, yet you idiots continuosly refuse to accept the proof.
The only president to ever have such a bias against him, he is and was treated as an unwanted ethnicity for the job by those that did not support him.
No other white pasty old white man has never had to prove over and over again their proof of citizenship.