Two other candidates had questions about their eligibility, but neither won. Barry Goldwater was born in a territory and I can't remember his first name, Mitt Romney's dad, was born in Mexico.
Two other candidates had questions about their eligibility, but neither won. Barry Goldwater was born in a territory and I can't remember his first name, Mitt Romney's dad, was born in Mexico.
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Obama is the SECOND illegitimate US President. Chester Arthurs father was born in Ireland and was an Irish citizen at his sons birth. Chester Arthur burned almost all of his personal papers in an attempt to hide the fact that he was not eligible.
only because it is the FIRST TIME EVER that he has done so
why should i give him credit for anything? he ignores the hard questions, he runs away from the truth....and apparently i'm supposed to pat him on the back when he says on true thing?
ok
jillian
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provide proof of another US president who was ASKED to provide a birth certificate at all.
again, someone can have both parents NOT be US citizens and STILL BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS IF THEY ARE BORN ON US SOIL
Wrong again. Thanks for playing.
but were they required to produce their birth certificates?
exactly
whats really gonna burn his ass is one of those Anchor babies could grow up to be POTUS some day
You know, I'm not sure. Determination of eligibility for the ballot in order to have their name placed on it is a state by state issue, and to my knowledge none have ever asked before. Since neither won, it wouldn't have gone further than that.
exactly
whats really gonna burn his ass is one of those Anchor babies could grow up to be POTUS some day
Wouldn't that meltdown be fun to watch?
ya think?exactly
Two words: Anchor babies.
whats really gonna burn his ass is one of those Anchor babies could grow up to be POTUS some day
Wouldn't that meltdown be fun to watch?
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Yurt
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isn't the birther argument that he wasn't born on us soil? hence why they want to see his original b/c?
well, it seems some take it even further than that
That was the original birfer argument. But it's far, far beyond that into the realm of the completely insane now.
The arguments I've seen on this board alone:
1. Obama was born in Kenya. In which case asking for a birth cert makes sense, right?
2. Obama cannot be a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen, no matter where he was born. In which case the BC makes no difference.
3. Obama was born a US citizen, but voluntarily surrendered his citizenship as a child when he lived in Indonesia. So the BC doesn't matter.
4. Obama was born a US citizen, but was secretly adopted by his stepfather in Indonesia and therefore his stepfather renounced his citizenship for him. The latest and greatest birfer lawsuits use this theory, referring to Obama in all filings as "Barry Soetoro". So again, the BC makes no difference.
5. Obama was born in either California or Washington State, but his father was Malcolm X. Since his father never acknowledged him and his mother was too young to pass on her US citizenship to her child, he cannot be a natural born citizen. To that, all I can say is WTF??
6. Obama faked his age on all of his official documents and was actually born in Hawaii but before it became a state. He must have then discovered the Fountain of Youth on his way to the White House. No BC is going to make a difference to anybody who thinks THAT.
7. I never got the full story, but there was somebody insisting that as a child Obama held a Pakistani passport and therefore must have lost or surrendered his citizenship somehow along the way. Again, BC demanded but will not touch the theory.
I've seen even nuttier ones on other boards, but you get the idea. It's a cottage industry now, a con artist's paradise.
See what I mean about it not making any difference? The BC is just what they're asking for "now", but it will make no difference to the idiots who believe this stuff. So why feed the trolls?
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Sorry but you're wrong......again. They are just citizens but not natural born citizens. They can't be president someday. Now if the parents were illegal and then became naturalized then that baby born after they were naturalized in the US could become President someday. No, anchor baby's with illegal parents can never be qualified to meet Article 2 Section 1.
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SFC Ollie
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That was the original birfer argument. But it's far, far beyond that into the realm of the completely insane now.
The arguments I've seen on this board alone:
1. Obama was born in Kenya. In which case asking for a birth cert makes sense, right?
2. Obama cannot be a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen, no matter where he was born. In which case the BC makes no difference.
3. Obama was born a US citizen, but voluntarily surrendered his citizenship as a child when he lived in Indonesia. So the BC doesn't matter.
4. Obama was born a US citizen, but was secretly adopted by his stepfather in Indonesia and therefore his stepfather renounced his citizenship for him. The latest and greatest birfer lawsuits use this theory, referring to Obama in all filings as "Barry Soetoro". So again, the BC makes no difference.
5. Obama was born in either California or Washington State, but his father was Malcolm X. Since his father never acknowledged him and his mother was too young to pass on her US citizenship to her child, he cannot be a natural born citizen. To that, all I can say is WTF??
6. Obama faked his age on all of his official documents and was actually born in Hawaii but before it became a state. He must have then discovered the Fountain of Youth on his way to the White House. No BC is going to make a difference to anybody who thinks THAT.
7. I never got the full story, but there was somebody insisting that as a child Obama held a Pakistani passport and therefore must have lost or surrendered his citizenship somehow along the way. Again, BC demanded but will not touch the theory.
I've seen even nuttier ones on other boards, but you get the idea. It's a cottage industry now, a con artist's paradise.
See what I mean about it not making any difference? The BC is just what they're asking for "now", but it will make no difference to the idiots who believe this stuff. So why feed the trolls?
Wasn't there some question about his traveling to Pakistan and what Passport he used?
no, it is YOU that is once again, WRONG
any child born on US SOIL is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
no if ands or buts
so yes, an anchor baby most certainly CAN become POTUS someday
how the **** you got so misinformed is beyond me
i've never seen #5, but since MalcolmX was a US Citizens, doesnt that also fail for them?
That was the original birfer argument. But it's far, far beyond that into the realm of the completely insane now.
The arguments I've seen on this board alone:
1. Obama was born in Kenya. In which case asking for a birth cert makes sense, right?
2. Obama cannot be a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen, no matter where he was born. In which case the BC makes no difference.
3. Obama was born a US citizen, but voluntarily surrendered his citizenship as a child when he lived in Indonesia. So the BC doesn't matter.
4. Obama was born a US citizen, but was secretly adopted by his stepfather in Indonesia and therefore his stepfather renounced his citizenship for him. The latest and greatest birfer lawsuits use this theory, referring to Obama in all filings as "Barry Soetoro". So again, the BC makes no difference.
5. Obama was born in either California or Washington State, but his father was Malcolm X. Since his father never acknowledged him and his mother was too young to pass on her US citizenship to her child, he cannot be a natural born citizen. To that, all I can say is WTF??
6. Obama faked his age on all of his official documents and was actually born in Hawaii but before it became a state. He must have then discovered the Fountain of Youth on his way to the White House. No BC is going to make a difference to anybody who thinks THAT.
7. I never got the full story, but there was somebody insisting that as a child Obama held a Pakistani passport and therefore must have lost or surrendered his citizenship somehow along the way. Again, BC demanded but will not touch the theory.
I've seen even nuttier ones on other boards, but you get the idea. It's a cottage industry now, a con artist's paradise.
See what I mean about it not making any difference? The BC is just what they're asking for "now", but it will make no difference to the idiots who believe this stuff. So why feed the trolls?
i did hear one where he supposedly used a foreign passport to get into college, but i have no idea of the details of that one
That was the original birfer argument. But it's far, far beyond that into the realm of the completely insane now.
The arguments I've seen on this board alone:
1. Obama was born in Kenya. In which case asking for a birth cert makes sense, right?
2. Obama cannot be a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen, no matter where he was born. In which case the BC makes no difference.
3. Obama was born a US citizen, but voluntarily surrendered his citizenship as a child when he lived in Indonesia. So the BC doesn't matter.
4. Obama was born a US citizen, but was secretly adopted by his stepfather in Indonesia and therefore his stepfather renounced his citizenship for him. The latest and greatest birfer lawsuits use this theory, referring to Obama in all filings as "Barry Soetoro". So again, the BC makes no difference.
5. Obama was born in either California or Washington State, but his father was Malcolm X. Since his father never acknowledged him and his mother was too young to pass on her US citizenship to her child, he cannot be a natural born citizen. To that, all I can say is WTF??
6. Obama faked his age on all of his official documents and was actually born in Hawaii but before it became a state. He must have then discovered the Fountain of Youth on his way to the White House. No BC is going to make a difference to anybody who thinks THAT.
7. I never got the full story, but there was somebody insisting that as a child Obama held a Pakistani passport and therefore must have lost or surrendered his citizenship somehow along the way. Again, BC demanded but will not touch the theory.
I've seen even nuttier ones on other boards, but you get the idea. It's a cottage industry now, a con artist's paradise.
See what I mean about it not making any difference? The BC is just what they're asking for "now", but it will make no difference to the idiots who believe this stuff. So why feed the trolls?
Wasn't there some question about his traveling to Pakistan and what Passport he used?
I never figured out the whole story on that. Somebody posted a World Nut Daily thing saying he used an Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan, somebody else posted something from another blog claiming the passport he used was Pakistani and was used to travel somewhere else, both had "documentation" and "evidence" to back up their different claims, who cares?
In either case, the people pushing the argument agree Obama was born a US citizen but that either a minor or a double super secret adoptive parent can formally surrender a child's US citizenship without there being a record of it in any of the nations involved.
The birth certificate is a fraud, a distraction to these people. It means exactly nothing. They don't care where he was born and concede he was or may have been a citizen at birth, it's irrelevant. But they demand it anyway. Why? Because they're told to do so....even when it has no bearing on what they claim to believe.
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