Hawaii proves gun control laws don't stop criminals....felon, with 10 convictions, living on an island...gets guns easily.

[2aguy]

The anti-gun extremists want gun control to stop criminals from getting guns. Gun control doesn't stop criminals....

Gun control simply adds layers of red tape and increases the legal peril for normal, law abiding gun owners who get scooped up for non-gun crime related paperwork infractions....paperwork infractions created to destroy their lives.

Meanwhile, the criminals get all the illegal guns they want.

The perfect example....Hawaii......an island....with every single gun control law outside of simply banning and confiscating guns....

And this guy ....

You see, Hawaii has pretty much every measure a gun control advocate could reasonably want. It’s also an island, which means no one comes in from another state without having to pass through some kind of security that generally isn’t going to allow guns to come through. They’re as isolated as you can get.

And yet, this happens:

Prosecutors charged Loran Gross of Mountain View with 22 offenses after a massive bust at his home last week Friday.

Detectives found over 27 pounds of dried marijuana, more than 230 live marijuana plants, 14 rifles, and more than 20,000 rounds of ammunition in his possession.

Police also found a semi-automatic hand gun, along with drug paraphernalia

Now, Gross has 10 prior felony convictions, meaning there’s no way he purchased those 14 rifles and the one semi-automatic handgun lawfully. He just couldn’t.

So, with all of Hawaii’s advantages, just how did he manage to get his grubbing little paws on them?

After all, we’re told that gun control works and the only reason places like New York or Chicago are having issues now isn’t because gun control fails, it’s because of all those other states. People just drive the guns into the Big Apple or the Windy City and sell them, thus negating all the good gun control supposedly does.

Yet Hawaii doesn’t have that going on. You simply can’t blame Indiana for criminals owning guns in Honolulu. As previously noted, you can’t get there without going through some kind of security, either via ship or plane. Ain’t no one driving there. If they are, I’m interested to know how.

Hawaiian Felon Proves Just How Useless Gun Control Is

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[Rigby5]

The more gun control the government passes, the more guns we need.

 

[Rigby5]

Gun control is proof we do not have a democratic republic.
In a democratic republic, you can't have arbitrary authoritarian edicts.
Instead, all legal authority has to come from the inherent rights of individuals and their defense.
Gun control laws do not do that, and instead create a two tiered society where the corrupt government illegally has guns, and the general population that should be the source of all legal authority, is illegally denied guns.

 

[jillian]

The anti-gun extremists want gun control to stop criminals from getting guns. Gun control doesn't stop criminals....

Gun control simply adds layers of red tape and increases the legal peril for normal, law abiding gun owners who get scooped up for non-gun crime related paperwork infractions....paperwork infractions created to destroy their lives.

Meanwhile, the criminals get all the illegal guns they want.

The perfect example....Hawaii......an island....with every single gun control law outside of simply banning and confiscating guns....

And this guy ....

You see, Hawaii has pretty much every measure a gun control advocate could reasonably want. It’s also an island, which means no one comes in from another state without having to pass through some kind of security that generally isn’t going to allow guns to come through. They’re as isolated as you can get.

And yet, this happens:

Prosecutors charged Loran Gross of Mountain View with 22 offenses after a massive bust at his home last week Friday.

Detectives found over 27 pounds of dried marijuana, more than 230 live marijuana plants, 14 rifles, and more than 20,000 rounds of ammunition in his possession.

Police also found a semi-automatic hand gun, along with drug paraphernalia

Now, Gross has 10 prior felony convictions, meaning there’s no way he purchased those 14 rifles and the one semi-automatic handgun lawfully. He just couldn’t.

So, with all of Hawaii’s advantages, just how did he manage to get his grubbing little paws on them?

After all, we’re told that gun control works and the only reason places like New York or Chicago are having issues now isn’t because gun control fails, it’s because of all those other states. People just drive the guns into the Big Apple or the Windy City and sell them, thus negating all the good gun control supposedly does.

Yet Hawaii doesn’t have that going on. You simply can’t blame Indiana for criminals owning guns in Honolulu. As previously noted, you can’t get there without going through some kind of security, either via ship or plane. Ain’t no one driving there. If they are, I’m interested to know how.

Hawaiian Felon Proves Just How Useless Gun Control Is

bearingarms.com

And laws against robbery don’t stop all robberies. We still have laws.

you’re welcome

 

[jillian]

Gun control is proof we do not have a democratic republic.
In a democratic republic, you can't have arbitrary authoritarian edicts.
Instead, all legal authority has to come from the inherent rights of individuals and their defense.
Gun control laws do not do that, and instead create a two tiered society where the corrupt government illegally has guns, and the general population that should be the source of all legal authority, is illegally denied guns.

I guess that whole “well-regulated militia” thing confuses you

 

[Rigby5]

And laws against robbery don’t stop all robberies. We still have laws.

you’re welcome

Wrong.
The laws against robbery likely do stop most robberies people consider.
But the minor additional gun law penalty can NEVER prevent someone intending to commit a murder or armed robbery that already had a MUCH higher penalty then the gun law.
It is absolutely impossible to ever work.

But as a negative side effect, gun laws will intimidate honest people and cause the general population of honest people to be unarmed, which is totally horrific.
Without an armed general population, you no longer have a democratic republic.
You instead have an armed elite ruling over a helpless majority.

 

[Rigby5]

I guess that whole “well-regulated militia” thing confuses you

The point of "well regulated militia" means that by having arms they will already be familiar with them and ready to go if the time comes for an armed defense to be needed.
Regulated means well functioning on a regular basis, like a well regulated clock or regular bowel movements.
It does NOT mean restricted.
When the constitution gives the feds authority to regulate instate commerce, they did not intend that to mean restriction.
They means the opposite, to prevent restrictions by any one state, so that interstate commerce could remain regular and unrestricted.

 

[2aguy]

And laws against robbery don’t stop all robberies. We still have laws.

you’re welcome

Wow...you are still dumb.

Idiots like you pass more and more laws which the criminals ignore....but those laws do what you intend...they make owning and carrying a gun more dangerous, legally, for law abiding gun owners. You increase the legal red tape and peril for normal people...while doing nothing to stop criminals....you goal is to take guns, not to stop criminals....since your political party, the democrat party, keeps releasing violent, known, repeat gun offenders.

The way to stop gun crime is to keep the actual gun offenders locked up...since you won't do that, we know that you don't care about criminals...you simply hate normal people who own and carry guns for self defense.

You are insane.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong.
The laws against robbery likely do stop most robberies people consider.
But the minor additional gun law penalty can NEVER prevent someone intending to commit a murder or armed robbery that already had a MUCH higher penalty then the gun law.
It is absolutely impossible to ever work.

But as a negative side effect, gun laws will intimidate honest people and cause the general population of honest people to be unarmed, which is totally horrific.
Without an armed general population, you no longer have a democratic republic.
You instead have an armed elite ruling over a helpless majority.

you no longer have a democratic republic.
You instead have an armed elite ruling over a helpless majority.


Australia is finding that out with the Chinese Flu police state.....

 

[BULLDOG]

Anti rape laws don't prevent rape. Anti theft laws don't prevent theft.

 

[Ben Thomson]

The anti-gun extremists want gun control to stop criminals from getting guns. Gun control doesn't stop criminals....

Gun control simply adds layers of red tape and increases the legal peril for normal, law abiding gun owners who get scooped up for non-gun crime related paperwork infractions....paperwork infractions created to destroy their lives.

Meanwhile, the criminals get all the illegal guns they want.

The perfect example....Hawaii......an island....with every single gun control law outside of simply banning and confiscating guns....

And this guy ....

You see, Hawaii has pretty much every measure a gun control advocate could reasonably want. It’s also an island, which means no one comes in from another state without having to pass through some kind of security that generally isn’t going to allow guns to come through. They’re as isolated as you can get.

And yet, this happens:

Prosecutors charged Loran Gross of Mountain View with 22 offenses after a massive bust at his home last week Friday.

Detectives found over 27 pounds of dried marijuana, more than 230 live marijuana plants, 14 rifles, and more than 20,000 rounds of ammunition in his possession.

Police also found a semi-automatic hand gun, along with drug paraphernalia

Now, Gross has 10 prior felony convictions, meaning there’s no way he purchased those 14 rifles and the one semi-automatic handgun lawfully. He just couldn’t.

So, with all of Hawaii’s advantages, just how did he manage to get his grubbing little paws on them?

After all, we’re told that gun control works and the only reason places like New York or Chicago are having issues now isn’t because gun control fails, it’s because of all those other states. People just drive the guns into the Big Apple or the Windy City and sell them, thus negating all the good gun control supposedly does.

Yet Hawaii doesn’t have that going on. You simply can’t blame Indiana for criminals owning guns in Honolulu. As previously noted, you can’t get there without going through some kind of security, either via ship or plane. Ain’t no one driving there. If they are, I’m interested to know how.

Hawaiian Felon Proves Just How Useless Gun Control Is

bearingarms.com

Might as well say..

Hawaii proves drunk driving laws don't stop drunks....drunk, with 2 DUI convictions, living on an island...still driving.​

 

[Esdraelon]

And laws against robbery don’t stop all robberies. We still have laws.

you’re welcome

The most disgusting thing about angry, petulant people like yourself is that even if you KNEW FOR SURE that if the government decided to confiscate weapons it would cause 100+ thousand dead... you'd STILL be for it. It isn't about making the world safe, it's about crushing those you disagree with at any price.

 

[BULLDOG]

The most disgusting thing about angry, petulant people like yourself is that even if you KNEW FOR SURE that if the government decided to confiscate weapons it would cause 100+ thousand dead... you'd STILL be for it. It isn't about making the world safe, it's about crushing those you disagree with at any price.

Not surprising that you think you know so much about someone you never met. Crazy people often think they have the ability to read others minds.

 

[Rigby5]

Anti rape laws don't prevent rape. Anti theft laws don't prevent theft.

Wrong.
Anti rape laws most definitely do greatly reduce rape.
Anti theft laws most definitely do greatly reduce theft.
But since armed criminals deliberately intend to violate much stricter laws against murder or armed robbery, then gun control laws can not possibly have any effect in reducing murder or armed robbery.

In fact, gun control laws increase murder and armed robberies because they make armed resistance to crime less likely.

 

[Rigby5]

Might as well say..

Hawaii proves drunk driving laws don't stop drunks....drunk, with 2 DUI convictions, living on an island...still driving.​

DUI is not intentional.
While DUI laws can not stop the first incident of DUI, it can reduce repeat offenses.

But since armed crimes are intentional and not easily caught, then gun control laws can not do any good.
The intentional criminal is not going to be deterred by the smaller gun control penalty.
Anyone selling drugs has to be armed.
Therefore laws trying to disarm people are never going to be any more successful then the War on Drugs failure.

 

[Rigby5]

Not surprising that you think you know so much about someone you never met. Crazy people often think they have the ability to read others minds.

No, he is not claiming to be able to read minds, but that the civil war over gun control is assured.
Gun control is totally contradictory to the basis of a democratic republic.
The founders did not trust or want mercenary police or military.
And they likely were right.
An armed population likely is essential to any democratic republic.
The police and military already are out of control, lying to us, and committing wholesale murder of innocents.
We see this in War on Drugs shootings, no-knock warrants, lies about Iraqi WMD, etc.
We likely already are living in a total authoritarian dictatorship.

 

[Ben Thomson]

DUI is not intentional.
While DUI laws can not stop the first incident of DUI, it can reduce repeat offenses.

But since armed crimes are intentional and not easily caught, then gun control laws can not do any good.
The intentional criminal is not going to be deterred by the smaller gun control penalty.
Anyone selling drugs has to be armed.
Therefore laws trying to disarm people are never going to be any more successful then the War on Drugs failure.

Gun control laws are not actually aimed at stopping armed crimes, they are intended to make certain semi-autos unlawful and people with felony convictions from having a firearm. Just because certain people choose to ignore certain gun restrictions doesn't make those restrictions useless. They do serve a purpose.

 

[Flash]

I guess that whole “well-regulated militia” thing confuses you

You didn't read the Heller case did you? ...and you sure as hell don't know what "well regulated" meant at the time the Constitution was written, do you?

I'll clue you in.

Heller said that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right.

Well regulated meant well provisioned. I am well regulated because I have 29 AR-15s and 30,000 rounds of ammo.

 

[Rigby5]

Gun control laws are not actually aimed at stopping armed crimes, they are intended to make certain semi-autos unlawful and people with felony convictions from having a firearm. Just because certain people choose to ignore certain gun restrictions doesn't make those restrictions useless. They do serve a purpose.

It is illegal to make some guns that were legal, suddenly illegal.
Its called ex post facto.

It likely was illegal to make it illegal for ex-felons to be armed in 1968.
The constitution does not allow for any federal firearm laws at all, and you can't treat anyone as a 2nd class citizen.

The purpose these gun control laws serve is illegal inherently.

 

[2aguy]

Anti rape laws don't prevent rape. Anti theft laws don't prevent theft.

Nope...which is why people need to have access to guns.