Hawaii Officials Drop Plan To Name Park After Obama

[Steve_McGarrett]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii. The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Give it up.....

Indeed Born in the U.S.A.

Not true. The Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has confirmed because of the forged birth certificate they have uncovered and their evidence certified by independent Hawaii court recognized forensic handwriting and computer document expert Reed Hayes that there can be no confirmation where Obama was actually born or who his actual parents are. Hayes has decades experience as a professional in forensic document and handwriting attestations.

Maricopa county sheriff's office? fuck off, dipshit

The State of Hawaii has already made that confirmation. Four times. They've confirmed that they have Obama's original birth certificate on record, that Obama was born in Hawaii, that Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, and that the birth certificate posted on the White House website is accurate.

It doesn't matter what your 'hand writing expert' says. The State of Hawaii already affirmed that the information on the Birth Certificate is accurate.

Any credible investigation on the validity of documents would contact the agency that issued those documents and ask if they're valid. Sheriff Joe never did. He never once asked the State of Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate was accurate.

Why? What possible reason could he give for making such an obvious, inexcusable and utterly incompetent blunder?

He asked Hawaii for the original 50 year old document and microfilm. Hawaii went underground and isn't speaking. That will all change soon.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Not true. The Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has confirmed because of the forged birth certificate they have uncovered and their evidence certified by independent Hawaii court recognized forensic handwriting and computer document expert Reed Hayes that there can be no confirmation where Obama was actually born or who his actual parents are. Hayes has decades experience as a professional in forensic document and handwriting attestations.

More bull shit from the number two working class poor state in the nation. Get a life SM!

Not bullshit but fact uncovered by a authoritative law enforcement entity.

 

[bodecea]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii. The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Give it up.....

Indeed Born in the U.S.A.

Not true. The Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has confirmed because of the forged birth certificate they have uncovered and their evidence certified by independent Hawaii court recognized forensic handwriting and computer document expert Reed Hayes that there can be no confirmation where Obama was actually born or who his actual parents are. Hayes has decades experience as a professional in forensic document and handwriting attestations.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii.

So you say. Chiyome Fukino, then acting as the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii explicitly contradicts you:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Hawaii Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News

She couldn't be clearer. You've ignored Fukino for no particular reason. Despite the fact that she specifically and explicitly destroys your entire narrative. Your willful ignorance doesn't change Obama's eligibility to be president.

The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Both written responses from Hawaii to the Secretaries of State of Mississippi and Arizona said that the information on Obama's birth certificate were accurate. The response to Mississippi, Alvin Tanaka the Registrar of Hawaii stated that the birth certificate for Obama posted on the white house website matches the records of Hawaii. Hawaii's response even cited the url where the birth certificate was posted when they verified its accuracy.

And that birth certificate most definitely has date of birth on it. And the location of his birth: Hawaii. The information on the birth certificate was verified as accurate by the Registrar of Hawaii. Twice.

You're literally ignoring Hawaii on its the validity of its own records: 4 times. No rational person ever would.

The records on file that Onaka's subordinate J.K. initialed on the non valid verification forms are most likely fraudulent.

 

[OnePercenter]

I'll stick with a credible law enforcement entity who deal with fraudulent documents, birth certificates, etc all the time. Hawaii Dept of Health is covering for Obama.

You do know that 212 experts passed until they found Hayes, who violated his own organizations code of ethics, and this is what you consider 'credible.' Your an idiot!

 

[Skylar]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii. The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Give it up.....

Indeed Born in the U.S.A.

Not true. The Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has confirmed because of the forged birth certificate they have uncovered and their evidence certified by independent Hawaii court recognized forensic handwriting and computer document expert Reed Hayes that there can be no confirmation where Obama was actually born or who his actual parents are. Hayes has decades experience as a professional in forensic document and handwriting attestations.

Maricopa county sheriff's office? fuck off, dipshit

The State of Hawaii has already made that confirmation. Four times. They've confirmed that they have Obama's original birth certificate on record, that Obama was born in Hawaii, that Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, and that the birth certificate posted on the White House website is accurate.

It doesn't matter what your 'hand writing expert' says. The State of Hawaii already affirmed that the information on the Birth Certificate is accurate.

Any credible investigation on the validity of documents would contact the agency that issued those documents and ask if they're valid. Sheriff Joe never did. He never once asked the State of Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate was accurate.

Why? What possible reason could he give for making such an obvious, inexcusable and utterly incompetent blunder?

He asked Hawaii for the original 50 year old document and microfilm. Hawaii went underground and isn't speaking. That will all change soon.

Again, why didn't Sheriff Joe ask the State of Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate was accurate? Its the first thing that any credible investigator would do. But Sheriff Joe never has.

Why not?

 

[OnePercenter]

The records on file that Onaka's subordinate J.K. initialed on the non valid verification forms are most likely fraudulent.

'most likely.' LOL

 

[HenryBHough]

Question for a legal scholar - a real one....

IF Obama is proven to have been ineligible to be president are any of His executive orders or any legislation signed into law by him valid? How about his unilateral appointments to various real offices and "czarships"? Should they be void and the people holding those positions forced to pay back their (in the circumstance) illegal wages?

 

[Skylar]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii.

So you say. Chiyome Fukino, then acting as the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii explicitly contradicts you:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Hawaii Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News

She couldn't be clearer. You've ignored Fukino for no particular reason. Despite the fact that she specifically and explicitly destroys your entire narrative. Your willful ignorance doesn't change Obama's eligibility to be president.

The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Both written responses from Hawaii to the Secretaries of State of Mississippi and Arizona said that the information on Obama's birth certificate were accurate. The response to Mississippi, Alvin Tanaka the Registrar of Hawaii stated that the birth certificate for Obama posted on the white house website matches the records of Hawaii. Hawaii's response even cited the url where the birth certificate was posted when they verified its accuracy.

And that birth certificate most definitely has date of birth on it. And the location of his birth: Hawaii. The information on the birth certificate was verified as accurate by the Registrar of Hawaii. Twice.

You're literally ignoring Hawaii on its the validity of its own records: 4 times. No rational person ever would.

The records on file that Onaka's subordinate J.K. initialed on the non valid verification forms are most likely fraudulent.

Says who? Both the State of Arizona and the State of Mississippi have affirmed the official replies from the State of Hawaii as valid. What do they know that you don't?

And of course, there's Director of the Department of Health Chiyome Fukino who at a press conference affirmed that she has personally seen Obama's original vital records and affirms that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States.

You ignore her too....for no particular reason. That's irrational.

 

[Skylar]

Question for a legal scholar - a real one....

IF Obama is proven to have been ineligible to be president are any of His executive orders or any legislation signed into law by him valid? How about his unilateral appointments to various real offices and "czarships"? Should they be void and the people holding those positions forced to pay back their (in the circumstance) illegal wages?

Wow. That's quite a hypothetical.

I'd say that in the case of such a ridiculously unlikely and ludicrously complicated conspiracy as one must imagine for your hypothetical to have any relevance to reality, the affirmation by the Secretary of State of the validity of the electoral vote electing Obama in 2008 and 2012 would likely resolve any eligibility issues. As they affirm that all legal standards were met, resolving legal questions.

Meaning that Obama would still be president. And all of his actions would be still be enforceable.

 

[Skylar]

The records on file that Onaka's subordinate J.K. initialed on the non valid verification forms are most likely fraudulent.

'most likely.' LOL

Translation: anything that doesn't ape the birther conspiracy becomes part of it.

 

[HenryBHough]

Sad to see Skybar finds "If" so challenging.

But if all that were to come to pass then there certainly would be precedent for future non-American presidents. That might NOT be such a bad thing. Putin will be looking for a job when he terms out and we could use a determined leader who believes in the country he heads. Sad to think we don't grow them at home anymore but with education having becoming mere Democrat Party indoctrination....well, there it is.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii.

So you say. Chiyome Fukino, then acting as the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii explicitly contradicts you:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Hawaii Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News

She couldn't be clearer. You've ignored Fukino for no particular reason. Despite the fact that she specifically and explicitly destroys your entire narrative. Your willful ignorance doesn't change Obama's eligibility to be president.

The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Both written responses from Hawaii to the Secretaries of State of Mississippi and Arizona said that the information on Obama's birth certificate were accurate. The response to Mississippi, Alvin Tanaka the Registrar of Hawaii stated that the birth certificate for Obama posted on the white house website matches the records of Hawaii. Hawaii's response even cited the url where the birth certificate was posted when they verified its accuracy.

And that birth certificate most definitely has date of birth on it. And the location of his birth: Hawaii. The information on the birth certificate was verified as accurate by the Registrar of Hawaii. Twice.

You're literally ignoring Hawaii on its the validity of its own records: 4 times. No rational person ever would.

The records on file that Onaka's subordinate J.K. initialed on the non valid verification forms are most likely fraudulent.

Says who? Both the State of Arizona and the State of Mississippi have affirmed the official replies from the State of Hawaii as valid. What do they know that you don't?

And of course, there's Director of the Department of Health Chiyome Fukino who at a press conference affirmed that she has personally seen Obama's original vital records and affirms that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States.

You ignore her too....for no particular reason. That's irrational.

Fukino after stepping down in a interview with NBC's Michael Iskoff was quoted stating Obama's birth certificate was half handwritten and half typed. This was two weeks before Obama released the 100% proven fraudulent long form which was clearly not half typed nor half handwritten.

 

[Skylar]

Sad to see Skybar finds "If" so challenging.

Not particularly. As I gave you an answer that incorporates your ridiculously unlikely 'if'. And the probably outcome: Obama would still be president. Which, of course....you ignored entirely.

But if all that were to come to pass then there certainly would be precedent for future non-American presidents. That might NOT be such a bad thing. Putin will be looking for a job when he terms out and we could use a determined leader who believes in the country he heads. Sad to think we don't grow them at home anymore but with education having becoming mere Democrat Party indoctrination....well, there it is.

Not it wouldn't. The requirements would still stand.The Secretary of State's affirmation of the vote in 2008 and 2012 would be the legal basis of Obama's eligibility. As the determinations by the SoS would establish legally, that all requirements were met.

Any future candidate would have to meet the same requirements. With the final determination of the validity of a candidates eligibility being made by the State Legislatures, individual Electors, and finally the Secretary of State....exactly as it was with Obama.

 

[Skylar]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii.

So you say. Chiyome Fukino, then acting as the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii explicitly contradicts you:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Hawaii Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News

She couldn't be clearer. You've ignored Fukino for no particular reason. Despite the fact that she specifically and explicitly destroys your entire narrative. Your willful ignorance doesn't change Obama's eligibility to be president.

The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Both written responses from Hawaii to the Secretaries of State of Mississippi and Arizona said that the information on Obama's birth certificate were accurate. The response to Mississippi, Alvin Tanaka the Registrar of Hawaii stated that the birth certificate for Obama posted on the white house website matches the records of Hawaii. Hawaii's response even cited the url where the birth certificate was posted when they verified its accuracy.

And that birth certificate most definitely has date of birth on it. And the location of his birth: Hawaii. The information on the birth certificate was verified as accurate by the Registrar of Hawaii. Twice.

You're literally ignoring Hawaii on its the validity of its own records: 4 times. No rational person ever would.

The records on file that Onaka's subordinate J.K. initialed on the non valid verification forms are most likely fraudulent.

Says who? Both the State of Arizona and the State of Mississippi have affirmed the official replies from the State of Hawaii as valid. What do they know that you don't?

And of course, there's Director of the Department of Health Chiyome Fukino who at a press conference affirmed that she has personally seen Obama's original vital records and affirms that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States.

You ignore her too....for no particular reason. That's irrational.

Fukino after stepping down in a interview with NBC's Michael Iskoff was quoted stating Obama's birth certificate was half handwritten and half typed. This was two weeks before Obama released the 100% proven fraudulent long form which was clearly not half typed nor half handwritten.

In the very interview you're citing, Fukino again affirms that Obama was born in Hawaii and that the State of Hawaii has Obama's original birth certificatre. You're just ignoring her for no particular reason.

You say that Obama's birth certificate is 100% fraudulent. The State of Hawaii has affirmed its completely accurate. Twice. The State of Hawaii trumps anyone else as they have the original vital records. And Obama's birth certificate matches the original vital records per the Registrar of Hawaii, which the registrar personally reviewed.

And Fukino has affirmed, unambiguously that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States after she too reviewed the original records. Both during her term as the Director of the Department of Health. And after, in multiple interviews.

You ignored anyone or anything that contradicts what you choose to believe. No rational person would.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

I'll stick with a credible law enforcement entity who deal with fraudulent documents, birth certificates, etc all the time. Hawaii Dept of Health is covering for Obama.

You do know that 212 experts passed until they found Hayes, who violated his own organizations code of ethics, and this is what you consider 'credible.' Your an idiot!

Hayes never violated his code of ethics as anti-birthers tried to say. Hayes is still doing what he does best, detecting forgeries.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Hawaii has never held two press conferences verifying Obama was born in Hawaii.

So you say. Chiyome Fukino, then acting as the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii explicitly contradicts you:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Hawaii Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News

She couldn't be clearer. You've ignored Fukino for no particular reason. Despite the fact that she specifically and explicitly destroys your entire narrative. Your willful ignorance doesn't change Obama's eligibility to be president.

The two written responses to the Sec of States did not contain Obama's date of birth and that the released birth certificate was a 'True and Accurate Copy'. They were stalled for two weeks before being demanded by Hawaii Dept of Health to rephrase their questions.

Both written responses from Hawaii to the Secretaries of State of Mississippi and Arizona said that the information on Obama's birth certificate were accurate. The response to Mississippi, Alvin Tanaka the Registrar of Hawaii stated that the birth certificate for Obama posted on the white house website matches the records of Hawaii. Hawaii's response even cited the url where the birth certificate was posted when they verified its accuracy.

And that birth certificate most definitely has date of birth on it. And the location of his birth: Hawaii. The information on the birth certificate was verified as accurate by the Registrar of Hawaii. Twice.

You're literally ignoring Hawaii on its the validity of its own records: 4 times. No rational person ever would.

The records on file that Onaka's subordinate J.K. initialed on the non valid verification forms are most likely fraudulent.

Says who? Both the State of Arizona and the State of Mississippi have affirmed the official replies from the State of Hawaii as valid. What do they know that you don't?

And of course, there's Director of the Department of Health Chiyome Fukino who at a press conference affirmed that she has personally seen Obama's original vital records and affirms that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States.

You ignore her too....for no particular reason. That's irrational.

Fukino after stepping down in a interview with NBC's Michael Iskoff was quoted stating Obama's birth certificate was half handwritten and half typed. This was two weeks before Obama released the 100% proven fraudulent long form which was clearly not half typed nor half handwritten.

In the very interview you're citing, Fukino again affirms that Obama was born in Hawaii and that the State of Hawaii has Obama's original birth certificatre. You're just ignoring her for no particular reason.

You say that Obama's birth certificate is 100% fraudulent. The State of Hawaii has affirmed its completely accurate. Twice. The State of Hawaii trumps anyone else as they have the original vital records. And Obama's birth certificate matches the original vital records per the Registrar of Hawaii, which the registrar personally reviewed.

And Fukino has affirmed, unambiguously that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States after she too reviewed the original records. Both during her term as the Director of the Department of Health. And after, in multiple interviews.

You ignored anyone or anything that contradicts what you choose to believe. No rational person would.

She affirms he was born in Hawaii based on fraudulent records entered in their system.

 

[Skylar]

I'll stick with a credible law enforcement entity who deal with fraudulent documents, birth certificates, etc all the time. Hawaii Dept of Health is covering for Obama.

You do know that 212 experts passed until they found Hayes, who violated his own organizations code of ethics, and this is what you consider 'credible.' Your an idiot!

Hayes never violated his code of ethics as anti-birthers tried to say. Hayes is still doing what he does best, detecting forgeries.

Apparently Hayes 'best' wasn't good enough; he was wrong. All the information on the birth certificate was accurate, as affirmed by the State of Hawaii.

In writing. Twice.

And you've still never explained why Sheriff Joe never asked the State of Hawaii if the birth certificate was accurate. Its the first thing any credible investigator would do. But ol' Joe never did.

Why not?

 

[Skylar]

She affirms he was born in Hawaii based on fraudulent records entered in their system.

Says who? Hayes never says this. Even Sheriff Joe doesn't make this claim. None of them claim that the original records were forged, as they don't have access to the original records. Hell, I don't think even Jerome Corsi or WND goes that far.

Who then are you quoting? And you do realize that you just increased the ridiculous level of pointless complexity and needless elaboration of your silly conspiracy by orders of magnitude, right?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

She affirms he was born in Hawaii based on fraudulent records entered in their system.

Says who? Hayes never says this. Even Sheriff Joe doesn't make this claim. None of them claim that the original records were forged, as they don't have access to the original records.

Who then are you quoting? And you do realize that you just increased the ridiculous level of pointless complexity and needless elaboration of your silly conspiracy by orders of magnitude, right?

Apparently you missed a few interviews with lead investigator Mike Zullo. Hawaii is covering for Obama.