Haw! ANOTHER "missing link" discovered!

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How long is each generation?

What do you think the answer is? Because I would say it depends on which species you are discussing, right?

Interestingly enough here's a paper which modeled genetic mutations and no where in it is the length of the generation mentioned. Go figure.

Evolution in the weak-mutation limit: Stasis periods punctuated by fast transitions between saddle points on the fitness landscape

The gradual character of evolution is a key feature of the Darwinian worldview. However, macroevolutionary events are often thought to occur in a nongradualist manner, in a regime known as punctuated equilibrium, whereby extended periods of evolutionary stasis are punctuated by rapid transitions...

www.pnas.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because I would say it depends on which species you are discussing, right?

Exactly.

 

[ding]

Exactly.

Exactly what? What difference does that make in crafting an evolutionary model that honors long periods of stasis followed by a rapid change that leads to speciation? Because Darwin's model doesn't match the fossil record.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exactly what? What difference does that make in crafting an evolutionary model that honors long periods of stasis followed by a rapid change that leads to speciation? Because Darwin's model doesn't match the fossil record.

Exactly what?

it depends on which species you are discussing, right?

What difference does that make

You said, "How would a herd rapidly change if the mutations were random?"

It depends on how long it takes for the species to reproduce. Right?

Because Darwin's model doesn't match the fossil record.

Ok. Do we have any newer models?

 

[ding]

Exactly what?

it depends on which species you are discussing, right?

What difference does that make

You said, "How would a herd rapidly change if the mutations were random?"

It depends on how long it takes for the species to reproduce. Right?

Because Darwin's model doesn't match the fossil record.

Ok. Do we have any newer models?

Punctuated equilibrium addresses the fossil record as it is.

 

[ding]

It depends on how long it takes for the species to reproduce. Right?

Rapid speciation is doubtful unless mutation rates are high. Low mutation rates match periods of stasis. It's in the paper you didn't read.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Punctuated equilibrium addresses the fossil record as it is.

Then we should use that one.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Rapid speciation is doubtful unless mutation rates are high.

That wasn't the question.

 

[ding]

That wasn't the question.

It's the answer to the question. The duration of a generation doesn't matter. It can be a long lived species and if the mutation rate is low the species will be remain in stasis.

 

[ding]

Then we should use that one.

Exactly!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The duration of a generation doesn't matter.

Sure it does. If a generation is 20 minutes, how long does it take the mutation to "change the herd"?

 

[ding]

Sure it does. If a generation is 20 minutes, how long does it take the mutation to "change the herd"?

If the mutation rate is zero then never.

See how that works.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If the mutation rate is zero then never.

See how that works.

How high does it have to be to take over the herd?

 

[ding]

How high does it have to be to take over the herd?

You mean with realistic lifespans?

 

[Seymour Flops]

If the mutation rate is zero then never.

See how that works.

Darwinists seem to get a little fuzzy with numbers when you ask them questions like how many mutations to get from the first primordial DNA to the species we see on Earth now, and how fast do the mutations happen.

If they answer at all, they will divide the available time by the needed mutations and say that's how often mutations happen. Then they get mad.

Questions in general just send Darwinists 'round the bend.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You mean with realistic lifespans?

Sure.

Take a herd of 1000.
They double every generation.
1 mutation quadruples every generation.
How many generations until the mutation is greater than 50% of the population?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Darwinists seem to get a little fuzzy with numbers when you ask them questions like how many mutations to get from the first primordial DNA to the species we see on Earth now, and how fast do the mutations happen.

As an IDer, what's your answer to those questions?

 

[ding]

Sure.

Take a herd of 1000.
They double every generation.
1 mutation quadruples every generation.
How many generations until the mutation is greater than 50% of the population?

11 generations. If that's how it happens. But still don't see how the first mutation can do anything by itself. We are talking about speciation.

 

[Seymour Flops]

As an IDer, what's your answer to those questions?

Good question. I don't know the answer, but I'm not mad at you for asking it. Let me look into that and "circle back" to it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But still don't see how the first mutation can do anything by itself.

You wanted to know how long it takes to change the herd.
Why does it have to "do anything by itself"?

We are talking about speciation.

Yup.