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I have plenty of education and NONE of it prepared me to be a cop. I think what the Norwegians do is provide a focused program on policing. I think there are very few US universities that can match that. Bootcamp isn't bad, it just isn't enough.Once admitted, prospective officers receive more extensive training than officers in the United States. Norwegian student officers must complete a three-year bachelor’s degree where they spend one year studying society and ethics, another shadowing officers, and a final year focusing on investigations and completing a thesis (In the United States, officers spend only on average 21 weeks in training which are modelled on military bootcamps).
BULL CRAP.
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That means that 87.4 of all police officers have degrees. Almost 1/3rd have 4 years degrees. Plus, many have in-service training, in addition to the 6 months of police academy training.
I have plenty of education and NONE of it prepared me to be a cop. I think what the Norwegians do is provide a focused program on policing. I think there are very few US universities that can match that. Bootcamp isn't bad, it just isn't enough.Once admitted, prospective officers receive more extensive training than officers in the United States. Norwegian student officers must complete a three-year bachelor’s degree where they spend one year studying society and ethics, another shadowing officers, and a final year focusing on investigations and completing a thesis (In the United States, officers spend only on average 21 weeks in training which are modelled on military bootcamps).
BULL CRAP.
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That means that 87.4 of all police officers have degrees. Almost 1/3rd have 4 years degrees. Plus, many have in-service training, in addition to the 6 months of police academy training.
I'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
I think there are a sizeable number of police that feel their safety depends on having the fear and respect of those they police. A very natural reaction to the violence swirling around them so if someone doesn't give them the respect they feel they need they are willing to push the limits, choke holds, rough rides, etc. I have had this confirmed by a real street cop.I have plenty of education and NONE of it prepared me to be a cop. I think what the Norwegians do is provide a focused program on policing. I think there are very few US universities that can match that. Bootcamp isn't bad, it just isn't enough.Once admitted, prospective officers receive more extensive training than officers in the United States. Norwegian student officers must complete a three-year bachelor’s degree where they spend one year studying society and ethics, another shadowing officers, and a final year focusing on investigations and completing a thesis (In the United States, officers spend only on average 21 weeks in training which are modelled on military bootcamps).
BULL CRAP.
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That means that 87.4 of all police officers have degrees. Almost 1/3rd have 4 years degrees. Plus, many have in-service training, in addition to the 6 months of police academy training.
I'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
"I think".... but you don't know. Go to Norway, and tell me what those 3-year degrees are actually in.
What amount of education, is needed to write someone a speeding ticket, or put hand cuffs on a burglar?
I'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
This right here, goes back up to the what we talked about before. You are making an implied assumption there, that in non-violent interactions, that police are just automatically escalating and using force.
This is why you have barely 13 applicants for 20 positions, and police departments are taking absolutely anyone, instead of the best of the crop.... because there is no crop.
Why would anyone want a job, where people like you are automatically assuming they are responding with force and escalating the conflict?
That's not happening. Police are not just randomly going crazy, and escalating a parking ticket into a violent altercation. Simply not true.
Overwhelmingly, out of hundreds of thousands of interactions with police on daily basis, most are positive. By most, I mean 99% or more.
You are doing what the media does, and look at 1 in 1,000,000 events, and acting like those events are what police are doing every single day. Not true. Not true! Not happening.
I think there are a sizeable number of police that feel their safety depends on having the fear and respect of those they police. A very natural reaction to the violence swirling around them so if someone doesn't give them the respect they feel they need they are willing to push the limits, choke holds, rough rides, etc. I have had this confirmed by a real street cop.I have plenty of education and NONE of it prepared me to be a cop. I think what the Norwegians do is provide a focused program on policing. I think there are very few US universities that can match that. Bootcamp isn't bad, it just isn't enough.Once admitted, prospective officers receive more extensive training than officers in the United States. Norwegian student officers must complete a three-year bachelor’s degree where they spend one year studying society and ethics, another shadowing officers, and a final year focusing on investigations and completing a thesis (In the United States, officers spend only on average 21 weeks in training which are modelled on military bootcamps).
BULL CRAP.
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That means that 87.4 of all police officers have degrees. Almost 1/3rd have 4 years degrees. Plus, many have in-service training, in addition to the 6 months of police academy training.
I'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
"I think".... but you don't know. Go to Norway, and tell me what those 3-year degrees are actually in.
What amount of education, is needed to write someone a speeding ticket, or put hand cuffs on a burglar?
I'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
This right here, goes back up to the what we talked about before. You are making an implied assumption there, that in non-violent interactions, that police are just automatically escalating and using force.
This is why you have barely 13 applicants for 20 positions, and police departments are taking absolutely anyone, instead of the best of the crop.... because there is no crop.
Why would anyone want a job, where people like you are automatically assuming they are responding with force and escalating the conflict?
That's not happening. Police are not just randomly going crazy, and escalating a parking ticket into a violent altercation. Simply not true.
Overwhelmingly, out of hundreds of thousands of interactions with police on daily basis, most are positive. By most, I mean 99% or more.
You are doing what the media does, and look at 1 in 1,000,000 events, and acting like those events are what police are doing every single day. Not true. Not true! Not happening.
Ok, and he will do exactly NOTHING about Democrat Mayors defunding their police forces. Oh wait he might say "C'MON MAN! DON"T DEFUND YOUR POLICE!" but that would be it.Except he already has. He has come out and said he is not a supporter of defunding the police.This is one of the problems with saying "Well Biden doesn't support defunding the police".... yeah, but the other democrats most certainly do, and have openly said so.
Do you think Biden is going to cross the mass of Democrats? No.
I think there are a sizeable number of police that feel their safety depends on having the fear and respect of those they police. A very natural reaction to the violence swirling around them so if someone doesn't give them the respect they feel they need they are willing to push the limits, choke holds, rough rides, etc. I have had this confirmed by a real street cop.I have plenty of education and NONE of it prepared me to be a cop. I think what the Norwegians do is provide a focused program on policing. I think there are very few US universities that can match that. Bootcamp isn't bad, it just isn't enough.Once admitted, prospective officers receive more extensive training than officers in the United States. Norwegian student officers must complete a three-year bachelor’s degree where they spend one year studying society and ethics, another shadowing officers, and a final year focusing on investigations and completing a thesis (In the United States, officers spend only on average 21 weeks in training which are modelled on military bootcamps).
BULL CRAP.
[...]
That means that 87.4 of all police officers have degrees. Almost 1/3rd have 4 years degrees. Plus, many have in-service training, in addition to the 6 months of police academy training.
I'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
"I think".... but you don't know. Go to Norway, and tell me what those 3-year degrees are actually in.
What amount of education, is needed to write someone a speeding ticket, or put hand cuffs on a burglar?
I'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
This right here, goes back up to the what we talked about before. You are making an implied assumption there, that in non-violent interactions, that police are just automatically escalating and using force.
This is why you have barely 13 applicants for 20 positions, and police departments are taking absolutely anyone, instead of the best of the crop.... because there is no crop.
Why would anyone want a job, where people like you are automatically assuming they are responding with force and escalating the conflict?
That's not happening. Police are not just randomly going crazy, and escalating a parking ticket into a violent altercation. Simply not true.
Overwhelmingly, out of hundreds of thousands of interactions with police on daily basis, most are positive. By most, I mean 99% or more.
You are doing what the media does, and look at 1 in 1,000,000 events, and acting like those events are what police are doing every single day. Not true. Not true! Not happening.
I would guess that 90% of the arrests and police interaction with the public do not involve forceI'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
I don't disagree but if you mouth off to a cop you shouldn't be shot either.You know what happens if you mouth off and instigate officers in Norway? You get your face smashed in.
This is true everywhere. You need to treat officers with respect, even if they are wrong.
My original thought was that since 90% of police interactions are non-violent, bringing a gun into the situation may not be necessary in 90% of police interactions.I would guess that 90% of the arrests and police interaction with the public do not involve forceI'd guess that 90% of people who break the law are not violent so using force may just escalate a bad situation.
you make it sound like the cops are using force on harmless and non violent citizens instead of the other way around
if you get rough with the cops they will get rough with you
You conservatives, you always want the Federal gov't to get more involved in local issues.Ok, and he will do exactly NOTHING about Democrat Mayors defunding their police forces. Oh wait he might say "C'MON MAN! DON"T DEFUND YOUR POLICE!" but that would be it.Except he already has. He has come out and said he is not a supporter of defunding the police.This is one of the problems with saying "Well Biden doesn't support defunding the police".... yeah, but the other democrats most certainly do, and have openly said so.
Do you think Biden is going to cross the mass of Democrats? No.
Its difficult to know when the cops will need a gunMy original thought was that since 90% of police interactions are non-violent, bringing a gun into the situation may not be necessary in 90% of police interactions.
Should they ride in tanks? Just in case.Its difficult to know when the cops will need a gunMy original thought was that since 90% of police interactions are non-violent, bringing a gun into the situation may not be necessary in 90% of police interactions.
It depends on the circumstancesI don't disagree but if you mouth off to a cop you shouldn't be shot either.
Thats going from one extreme to anotherShould they ride in tanks? Just in case.
Btw, should the city buildings in Minneapolis have armed police protection?Should they ride in tanks? Just in case.
You conservatives, you always want the Federal gov't to get more involved in local issues.Ok, and he will do exactly NOTHING about Democrat Mayors defunding their police forces. Oh wait he might say "C'MON MAN! DON"T DEFUND YOUR POLICE!" but that would be it.Except he already has. He has come out and said he is not a supporter of defunding the police.This is one of the problems with saying "Well Biden doesn't support defunding the police".... yeah, but the other democrats most certainly do, and have openly said so.
Do you think Biden is going to cross the mass of Democrats? No.
Which city requested that the Feds send in Troops?But remember this... it's your side doing everything in their power, to drag in the Federal Government. Not ours.
So you're saying that there are a whole range of weaponry available to police but not every weapon is appropriate in every situation? I agree.Thats going from one extreme to anotherShould they ride in tanks? Just in case.
when a cop needs a firearm he needs it NOW not an hour later
Which city requested that the Feds send in Troops?But remember this... it's your side doing everything in their power, to drag in the Federal Government. Not ours.