Hate Crime Bill Set to Pass?

[Skeptik]

Why should an act of violence motivated by greed or lust be less serious than one motivated by hate?

 

[Angel Heart]

Hate is part of motive to kill or hurt but should have no effect on the mandatory sentencing.

Has there been any change with defining sexual differences that are protected. If not it "protects" NAMBLA's members too.

 

[Angel Heart]

Are you afraid that you'll have a few extra years tacked on when you bust up a fags face?

If the same thing doesn't happen because someone was assaulted on Cleveland's "Beat Up a White Kid Day", YES.

‘(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--

There is nothing in the law saying "this law will be only enforced in crimes committed by whites".

The reason for the murder shouldn't have anything to do with the sentencing. If it's 1st degree murder then it's first degree murder. Hate is no more than the motive.

 

[Angel Heart]

why should an act of violence motivated by greed or lust be less serious than one motivated by hate?

bingo!!!

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Really ... by my calculations that offers more victims as well, so the numbers should be closer because of that alone. Then by personal experience I see just as much crime done against white people as there is against black people if not more, and often they do target white people specifically. Sorry, but the statistics still show that anti-white crime is less prosecuted than anti-black crime.

Just because they are more potential victims doesn't make for more crimes of hatred. You need more criminals for there to be more hate crimes.

If we were talking about robbery, that would potentially be different.

And I'm sorry, but anecdotal evidence is simply not going to be convincing. I've personally seen it go both ways.

 

[William Joyce]

Why should an act of violence motivated by greed or lust be less serious than one motivated by hate?

Because the judgment could be made that one or the other is more socially harmful or repugnant. A robbery, for instance, is more of an attack on the property a person happens to have, while a hate crime is more of an attack on the person themselves. I would not be happy about having my wallet stolen or being beaten for being white, but the latter is a hell of a lot scarier to me because there are more steps I can take to prevent wallet-theft than race-beating (i.e., I can't change my race).

That doesn't seem all that crazy to me.

But obviously, I understand why white people are skeptical of "hate crimes" in their application -- they were conceived as a weapon against us, are not applied equally, and tend to criminalize politically incorrect thinking.

 

[Red Dawn]

Just as I suspected.

A bunch of pansy assed white guys whine that hate crimes laws don't apply to, or protect white people.

And then when I show them the FBI website, that shows that white people ARE protected by hate crimes laws and racially motiviated crime, the little chicken shits dissapear from the thread.

I love it. If we just complain, we are "pansy assed white guys" who whine. But then your team starts hyperventilating that we are going to become violent.

So which is it? Logically, one wouldn't be worried about potential violent confrontation with cowards.

It was your whiny compadres that moaned that white people weren't protected legally from racially motivated crimes.

Y'all were wrong. White people are as protected by hate crimes law as anyone else.

It would be nice if your whiny compadres would admit they were wrong.

 

[Red Dawn]

A crime is a crime... assault is no different if done because of a skin color than it is if you just detest the person because they insulted you...

This is redundant "feel good" law

Assault is assault... battery is battery... murder is murder

None of there crimes are done out of friendliness

Random crime can affect anyone.

But, If you're singled-out and attacked because you are jewsih, black, hispanic, or white, the perp should be subject to stiffer penalties, and additional charges.

Its as simple as that.

Hate crimes laws protect everyone from racially motivated crime.

I wish you NeoCons could just admit you didn't know that. You thought Sean hannity was telling you the truth, when he said hate crimes laws are special perks for people of color.

Hannity lied to you. You should get used to that.

 

[DiamondDave]

A crime is a crime... assault is no different if done because of a skin color than it is if you just detest the person because they insulted you...

This is redundant "feel good" law

Assault is assault... battery is battery... murder is murder

None of there crimes are done out of friendliness

Random crime can affect anyone.

But, If you're singled-out and attacked because you are jewsih, black, hispanic, or white, the perp should be subject to stiffer penalties, and additional charges.

Its as simple as that.

Hate crimes laws protect everyone from racially motivated crime.

I wish you NeoCons could just admit you didn't know that. You thought Sean hannity was telling you the truth, when he said hate crimes laws are special perks for people of color.

Hannity lied to you. You should get used to that.

But if you're singled out because you have a blue shirt, or a wallet, or because you smell like peaches, or because you have a big nose, or because you have brown eyes...

IT MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE

Assault is assault... battery is battery... murder is murder

Next.... try and understand what a Neocon truly is before you keep spouting the term off improperly
Next... I don't listen to Rush, or Hannity, or whatever... but nice try

 

[Tech_Esq]

Actually, if you look at those statistics you provided it does show that anti-white crime is punished far less than it happens.

.

That's demographics.

There's far fewer minorities in this country than white people. So by definition, and by simple mathematics, the odds of a white person being attacked by a person of color is exponentially less, that a person of color getting attacked by a white person.

Its basic arithmetic.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

I have one. Why are blacks victimized by racial minorities in a demographically disproportionate percentage?

 

[Tech_Esq]

The simple fact is there is no legally justifiable reason to have "hate" crime laws. There is no justification to add an "extra" punishment for motivation.

Motive is not an element of any other crime and it should not be an element of criminal offense. It serves no purpose.

 

[eots]

VDARE.com: Blog Articles » “Hate” Bill To Be Rammed Through Tomorrow?

I hate ... hate crime bills and hate people that support or pass hate crime bills...is that a crime ? what if I think... if we see one.. we should push them down the stairs...is that a crime ? what if I said..if you see one of those hate crime people..give em good push for me preferable by some stairs ?...how does this hate thing work ?

 

[WillowTree]

so what I'm hearing is that today the Democrats voted against an amendment that would exclude pedophiles from protection under this bill (means pedophiles are a protected group) but denied protection from hate crimes to our returning vets.. that's screwy as hell.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Well as bad as it is... The Dems DID make Pedophiles a protected class... in this bill...

Which I think pretty much seals the deal on the Left being the ideology of debauchery of EVERY CONCEIVABLE STRIPE.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

VDARE.com: Blog Articles » “Hate” Bill To Be Rammed Through Tomorrow?

I hate ... hate crime bills and hate people that support or pass hate crime bills...is that a crime ? what if I think... if we see one.. we should push them down the stairs...is that a crime ? what if I said..if you see one of those hate crime people..give em good push for me preferable by some stairs ?...how does this hate thing work ?

Well Under this bill, if your child is molested and you kick the shit out of that cockpolisher, you will very likely be subjected to the substantially increased penalties, above simple assualt...

In effect, this bill makes it clear that the ideological left that has written it up, and is soon to pass it and will inevitably sign it, will have determined that pedophilia is a protected class, not at all distinct from... HOMOSEXUALITY.

Anyone care to open that debate back up?

Could we have some of the usual suspects come forward to declare once again that the ideological left and the Democrat Party which advocates for the left is NOT the most vile pack of cultural subversives on earth?

They're the personification of evil... and this is the first "OFFICIAL" step towards normalizing adult/child sex...

 

[Sinatra]

VDARE.com: Blog Articles » “Hate” Bill To Be Rammed Through Tomorrow?

I hate ... hate crime bills and hate people that support or pass hate crime bills...is that a crime ? what if I think... if we see one.. we should push them down the stairs...is that a crime ? what if I said..if you see one of those hate crime people..give em good push for me preferable by some stairs ?...how does this hate thing work ?

Well Under this bill, if your child is molested and you kick the shit out of that cockpolisher, you will very likely be subjected to the substantially increased penalties, above simple assualt...

In effect, this bill makes it clear that the ideological left that has written it up, and is soon to pass it and will inevitably sign it, will have determined that pedophilia is a protected class, not at all distinct from... HOMOSEXUALITY.

Anyone care to open that debate back up?

Could we have some of the usual suspects come forward to declare once again that the ideological left and the Democrat Party which advocates for the left is NOT the most vile pack of cultural subversives on earth?

They're the personification of evil... and this is the first "OFFICIAL" step towards normalizing adult/child sex...

This is so outrageous as to invite parody, but then again, it is shockingly serious as well.

Good lord....

 

[William Joyce]

The simple fact is there is no legally justifiable reason to have "hate" crime laws. There is no justification to add an "extra" punishment for motivation.

Motive is not an element of any other crime and it should not be an element of criminal offense. It serves no purpose.

But if I kill my wife because she's dying of a painful cancer, is 97 years old, and ASKED ME TO, isn't that different fom me killing my wife out of the blue to collect insurance money?

 

[DamnYankee]

Hate Crime Legislation - Back Door to Censorship
By James Simpson


An extension of the Hate Crimes law recently passed the House of Representatives which will essentially codify into national law the "speech codes" that are smothering academic freedom on college campuses today. This law is the back door method Obama and his fellow socialists will use to stifle free speech in this country, as explained in an informative article by Jerry Kane at American Daughter.


To heck with the "Fairness Doctrine." Who needs to limit censorship to the airwaves? This legislation will silence anyone who disagrees with them.


Hate crimes legislation has its roots in the communist-inspired, so-called Frankfurt School founded in Frankfurt, Germany by Bolsheviks in the 1920s. Its goal was to implement communism in the West quietly by gradually subverting popular culture -- a movement known as Cultural Marxism. One of its leading lights, Herbert Marcuse, opined that the prevailing Western social order is repressive by definition and discriminates against minorities simply by existing.


This creates a phenomenon he called "repressive tolerance" because even though other views are allowed within Western culture -- you know, by that insignificant little old thing called the First Amendment -- the Capitalist view is still permitted. It goes without saying that Marcuse considered that to be unacceptable.

Instead, he proposed what he called "partisan tolerance," i.e. tolerating the views of those "repressed minorities" only -- who Marcuse assumes share his partisan hatred for everything noncommunist -- while actively muzzling the views of the majority.

So now we have a word for Democrats' eye-popping hypocrisy when they wrap themselves in the mantle of free speech while simultaneously attempting to suppress non-Leftist ideas. We have a word for the Left's double standard in championing "repressed minorities" only when those minorities share their politics, while savaging principled, accomplished minorities like Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell or Janice Rogers Brown. We have an explanation for why so many college campuses, supposedly the society's heart of open-minded intellectual inquiry, actively, even violently intimidate conservative speakers -- when they let them onto campus at all.


They have been practicing "partisan tolerance." That is, tolerance of the extreme Left and virulent intolerance of anything else.
continued....



American Thinker: Hate Crime Legislation - Back Door to Censorship

 

[editec]

A crime is a crime... assault is no different if done because of a skin color than it is if you just detest the person because they insulted you...

This is redundant "feel good" law

Assault is assault... battery is battery... murder is murder

None of there crimes are done out of friendliness

How about burning a cross in a front yard of a recently arrived Black family who just moved into a formerly all White neighborhood

Is that merely criminal mischief or is that really a hate crime?

How about if A White person moves into a Black neighborhood and somebody smashes their vehicle and paints "Get out Whitey"?

Is that a hate crime or is that just vandalism?

Your simplistic view of the way law should work is totally out of step with how the world really works, don't you think?

Or do you think the law should be blind to reality and pretend that there aren't such hate crimes whose purpose is to TERRORIZE not only the victim, but the class that victim is a member of?

The problem with hate crimes is that they have to establish motive of the criminal.

But of course motive is always an important consideration in every type of crime and I don't see any of you bitching about that.

Why's that?

 

[catzmeow]

Motive is not an element of any other crime and it should not be an element of criminal offense. It serves no purpose.

You're so wrong, Tech. It allows the left to establish thoughts as a criminal category on their own and is the first step towards establishing a human rights commission so they can censor our words, next.