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Thank you Army, and thank you to one of its vets, my hubby!

However, our permanent army is unconstitutional, imho.

The constitution clearly states that our federal government can not fund a standing army more than 2 years per time...called up for war....i believe war is implied. Instead we have a permanent army, airforce, marines, etc...

We are not suppose to have a standing, permanent army, ( in my opinion to protect us citizens from having an over reaching gvt that pursues wars of choice, VS WARS OF SELF DEFENSE AND NECESSITY and to protect us from the useless spending on the Military industrial Complex which they could forsee.)

We spit on our own constitution and our forfather's daily, by having a permanent Army imo.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;


To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
 

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thanks Army and the people who ARE the army!

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

I think they mena the money has to come up for vote every two years which would mean the congress can redirect the Army if the people so wish.

A Navy but no Army?

I think they at the time felt the Navy was to protect our shores.

There is no mention of Air force for obvious reasons so no restriction but we need that to protect our borders.

There is just too many ways to interpitate the constitution which without trying to determine what kind of intent they were trying to achieve with the laws you can take away from it interpitations which will tear us apart.


We are at a fragile stage in this democracy where the constitution is stretching and bending to try and fit a time which its founders could not have possibly immagined.

Bush has made this even more problematic with his affront on our traditions unpartisan service.

This is a perfect storm of wrong president at the wrong time.

The next president is going to be very important to this process.

Im affraid we may have the wrong Scotus also.
 

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The military is NOT unconstitutional. It meets the requirments set forth under the Constitution in that it is only funded for a maximum 2 years at a time. Congress MUST pass new funding every 2 years at a minimum and generally every year.

While it is assumed the Military will continue on indefinately, it is still temperary and only serves at the pleasure of Congress.
 

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The Term Army is assumed correctly to mean an ARMED Military Force, that includes all 4 military branches and any future branch that would be an armed military force.
 

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The military is NOT unconstitutional. It meets the requirments set forth under the Constitution in that it is only funded for a maximum 2 years at a time. Congress MUST pass new funding every 2 years at a minimum and generally every year.

While it is assumed the Military will continue on indefinately, it is still temperary and only serves at the pleasure of Congress.
congress can not fund anything, any project, longer than 2 years for the army is how i read it rgs?

the navy they can fund all they want, the state malitias, (today's national guard) they can fund all they want.... is how it reads to me?
 

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congress can not fund anything, any project, longer than 2 years for the army is how i read it rgs?

the navy they can fund all they want, the state malitias, (today's national guard) they can fund all they want.... is how it reads to me?
Not sure, I do know the Navy is funded exactly like the Army and Airforce and marine Corps. Every year, 2 at the most.

I would argue that since the National Guard is considered an integral part of the Army it should be funded by FEDERAL money the same way. If the States are paying, then yes they do not have to follow the requirement.

As for Militia, the Guard is just a federalized force, the Constitution is clear, each State can maintain more troops that are NOT available for Federal Duty, they just chose not to. So while the Guard may be "militia" it is not the only militia allowed.
 

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Thank you army and all vets, god bless you :)

thanks Army and the people who ARE the army!

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

I think they mena the money has to come up for vote every two years which would mean the congress can redirect the Army if the people so wish.

A Navy but no Army?

I think they at the time felt the Navy was to protect our shores.

There is no mention of Air force for obvious reasons so no restriction but we need that to protect our borders.

There is just too many ways to interpitate the constitution which without trying to determine what kind of intent they were trying to achieve with the laws you can take away from it interpitations which will tear us apart.


We are at a fragile stage in this democracy where the constitution is stretching and bending to try and fit a time which its founders could not have possibly immagined.

Bush has made this even more problematic with his affront on our traditions unpartisan service.

This is a perfect storm of wrong president at the wrong time.

The next president is going to be very important to this process.

Im affraid we may have the wrong Scotus also.
 

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Happy Birthday, United States Army!!!!!!!!!!!! After all these years you're still letting a simple minded 'lil shit from Texas get your asses kicked. Hire an Air Force General that will tell the 'lil shit he should have done his job when he had the chance to really shine!!!!!!!!!
 

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AS much as i cant stand bush, I love texas, my best friend is there.


Happy Birthday, United States Army!!!!!!!!!!!! After all these years you're still letting a simple minded 'lil shit from Texas get your asses kicked. Hire an Air Force General that will tell the 'lil shit he should have done his job when he had the chance to really shine!!!!!!!!!
 
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Incredible. The military is unConstitutional! I have been saying all along we should disband it. Of course, if we ever did need one I guess we can always rely on the UN to provide for US security.
 

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