Happy Birthday to a Christian Traitor

[Weatherman2020]

(I’m a day late)
Dietrich Bonhoeffer. German Pastor, Prophet, Martyr, Spy. Before WW2 he learned what real Christianity was while visiting in New York and attended black Harlem churches. God isn’t about silently going thru traditional motions and singing Latin verses nobody understands. God is singing, clapping and dancing and having a good time because you realize what God did for you.

Bonhoeffer could have stayed in America as the NAZIS took control of Germany. But God called him to go back. As the NAZIS put a stranglehold on religion he didn’t go along with the directive for Pastors to take orders from Hitler and instead became an outspoken opponent of the NAZIS and a spy for the Allies.

NAZIS suspected but could never prove he was a spy, but they arrested him and he spent the last year of the war in prison and a concentration camp. Executed in the final days of the war under the accusation he was part of Operation Valkyrie, the plot to assassinate Hitler, as the battle sounds of the approaching Allies became louder. Weeks later the war in Europe was over.

Eric Metaxas wrote an excellent book on him. I was hoping it would have become a movie, because he was a person everyone should try to emulate.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Are you saying he was a traitor for speaking out against the Nazis?

It would surprise me the least to see something like that posted on USMB.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Are you saying he was a traitor for speaking out against the Nazis?

It would surprise me the least to see something like that posted on USMB.

He betrayed his nation. Like our Founding Fathers were.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good guy in our view.

traitor
[ˈtrādər]

NOUN

1. a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc..

 

[Otis Mayfield]

He betrayed his nation. Like our Founding Fathers were.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good guy in our view.

traitor
[ˈtrādər]

NOUN

1. a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc..

Why not call him a "hero?"

 

[Weatherman2020]

Why not call him a "hero?"

Because little has changed in the past 8 decades.

 

[Votto]

Because little has changed in the past 8 decades.

The Left continues down the same path in all countries.

In fact, FDR turning a blind eye to the National Socialists Holocaust by attending the Berlin Olympics is not any different than Diaper Joe turning a blind eye to the Chinese communist genocide by attending the Chinese Olympics.

There is no real difference between the CCP and the Nazis, something no one on the Left dare admit.

 

[sealybobo]

Are you saying he was a traitor for speaking out against the Nazis?

It would surprise me the least to see something like that posted on USMB.

They did try to lynch Mike pence for not going along.

And when it leaked trump was shady didnt they call the leakers traitors? Demanded to know who they were?

 

[sealybobo]

The Left continues down the same path in all countries.

In fact, FDR turning a blind eye to the National Socialists Holocaust by attending the Berlin Olympics is not any different than Diaper Joe turning a blind eye to the Chinese communist genocide by attending the Chinese Olympics.

There is no real difference between the CCP and the Nazis, something no one on the Left dare admit.

So we need to go to war with China? You cons are a hoot. Reminds me of when you demanded bill Clinton go to war with saddam but he wouldn’t. Will the next republican go to war with China? How about Iran?

You don’t like how we got out of Afghanistan. Want to go back and do it right?

 

[Weatherman2020]

So we need to go to war with China? You cons are a hoot. Reminds me of when you demanded bill Clinton go to war with saddam but he wouldn’t. Will the next republican go to war with China? How about Iran?

You don’t like how we got out of Afghanistan. Want to go back and do it right?

Yes, war is the only recourse any President has against an unfriendly nation!
Dumbass. Your stupid strawman arguments are old, buy some new ones.

 

[Votto]

So we need to go to war with China? You cons are a hoot. Reminds me of when you demanded bill Clinton go to war with saddam but he wouldn’t. Will the next republican go to war with China? How about Iran?

You don’t like how we got out of Afghanistan. Want to go back and do it right?

The US is at war with China.

China just got done trying to hide a Pandemic from the world. Doctors who tried to sound the international alarm about the Pandemic were murdered by the CCP. Then once China understood the severity of the Pandemic, stopped all immigration into their country to stop it from coming into their country while allowing their own citizens to seed the Pandemic to the rest of the world as they hid it.

Now I won't get into whether or not China created the virus in a lab or, if they did, intentionally allowed it to leak out, because we don't need those facts to see that China is a war with the entire world just from the evidence we know to be true so far.

Now the question is, what is the best way to conduct this war we wanted nothing to do with, much like how FDR was faced with the same question after Pearl Harbor?

That is really the only question, but I think honoring China by attending their Olympics is not a good step. Why should the US pretend the above never happened, not to mention their ongoing genocide against their own people? Attending the Olympics or having Left wing CEO's or Left wing sports figure after another chastising people for speaking out against the CCP in any way is all the evidence you need to see what is going on here. China has bought off the politicians and CEO's of the world who are now terrified that their portfolios will suffer the world treats China the way they need to be treated, due to the fact that they have become the world's second biggest economy.

At least after Pearl Harbor, the country was united against Hitler. The US is no where near that today against Xi.

 

[Votto]

This is picture perfect in assessing the leadership the US has now as well as the rest of the Left wing world.



It is polar opposite of the bravery and courage seen by Bonhoeffer, but it is the bravery needed to fight them off in order to prevent them from prevailing.

 

[Votto]

Covid was the world's Pearl Harbor.

How will we respond?

Am I suggesting a conventional all out strike? No, just like the way the world was attacked was not conventional.

But stop the appeasement, and move away from dependency on China

Those are the bare minimum requirements not being taken right now.

 

[Votto]

So we need to go to war with China? You cons are a hoot. Reminds me of when you demanded bill Clinton go to war with saddam but he wouldn’t. Will the next republican go to war with China? How about Iran?

You don’t like how we got out of Afghanistan. Want to go back and do it right?

So what is a greater threat in your opinion, the so called "right" CNN talks about 24/7, or China?

Just curious.

 

[sealybobo]

So what is a greater threat in your opinion, the so called "right" CNN talks about 24/7, or China?

Just curious.

The right. January 6 they tried to take over our government and end our free and fair elections forever. They did it in 2000, tried it again in 2020. And they will rig future elections.

And like Putin supporters who defend Putin, you’ll defend trump or whoever your next demagogue is despite the obvious corruption.

Is China a major problem? Do you know how much money we owe them? If trump wins and goes to war with china I’m sure it will be when he files america into bankruptcy and reneges on what we owe them.

And even if your social security and medicare go away as part of trumps bankruptcy, you’ll still defend him even when he costs you thousands.