Hanoi Jane receives SAG's lifetime achievement award

[Soupnazi630]

Invited by a US puppet government created by an "internal repression" apparatus organized by America in violation of the 1954 Geneva Accords:

The Legacy of the Vietnam War, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Paul Shannon

"First of all, let’s make absolutely certain that was the fact: that the U.S. directed the war against South Vietnam.

"There was a political settlement in 1954. But in the late ’50’s the United States organized an internal repression in South Vietnam, not using its troops, but using the local apparatus it was constructing.

"This was a very significant and very effective campaign of violence and terrorism against the Vietminh — which was the communist-led nationalist force that fought the French.

"And the Vietminh at that time was adhering to the Geneva Accords, hoping that the political settlement would work out in South Vietnam. [The Geneva Accords of 1954 temporarily divided Northern and Southern Vietnam with the ultimate aim of reunification through elections. — editor’s note]

"And so, not only were they not conducting any terrorism, but in fact, they were not even responding to the violence against them."

Wrong

There was no such internal repression apparatus and the ius DID NOT violate the 1954 geneva accords
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The Vietminh started the war and ignored the 54 genev accords

Chomsky is fyull of shit as usual

 

[georgephillip]

Wrong

There was no such internal repression apparatus and the ius DID NOT violate the 1954 geneva accords
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The Vietminh started the war and ignored the 54 genev accords

Chomsky is fyull of shit as usual

Find someone smarter than Chomsky.

The Legacy of the Vietnam War, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Paul Shannon

“American imperialism has suffered a stunning defeat in Indochina. But the same forces are engaged In another war against a much less resilient enemy, the American people.'

"'Here, the prospects for success are much greater.'

"'The battleground is ideological, not military.'

"'At stake are the lessons to be drawn from the American war in Indochina; the outcome will determine the course and character of new imperial ventures'"

— Noam Chomsky, 1975"

 

[AZrailwhale]

At its peak in 1969, over 500000 American military personnel were occupying South Vietnam; how did they get there without an invasion?

Most flew in on chartered airliners.

Did France invade the United Colonies just before the Battle of Yorktown? By your standards they did. They were invited in by the legitimate government just like US troops were invited in by the government of the Republic of Vietnam.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Chickenhawks and Man-Eating Doves

Her whole birth-class supported her and still does.

That's a lie and easily disproven, unless by birth-class you are describing the rich privileged sons and daughters of the elite. I am a contemporary of hers and a Vietnam Era Veteran and if she were on fire I would cross the road to avoid the possibility of my blocking the wind feeding the fire. Most Vietnam Era Veterans despise Fonda to this day for her conduct and open support of the Communist, People's Republic of Vietnam which was neither the people's nor a Republic. It was a dictatorship just like Russia and the People's Republic of China are today.

 

[georgephillip]

Most flew in on chartered airliners.

Did France invade the United Colonies just before the Battle of Yorktown? By your standards they did. They were invited in by the legitimate government just like US troops were invited in by the government of the Republic of Vietnam.

Why does it matter how a foreign invading force arrives in the country they are occupying?

Over twenty years, more than 3.1 million Americans turned south Vietnam into a living hell by killing, maiming, and displacing millions of innocent indigenous civilians.

Which government in south Vietnam between 1955-1975 are you regarding as legitimate?

South Vietnam - Wikipedia

"The end of the Second World War saw anti-Japanese Việt Minh guerrilla forces, led by communist fighter Ho Chi Minh, proclaiming the establishment of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam in Hanoi in September 1945.<a href="South Vietnam - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

"In 1949, during the First Indochina War, the French formed the State of Vietnam, a rival government of anti-communist Vietnamese politicians in Saigon, led by former emperor Bảo Đại.

"A 1955 referendum on the state's future form of government was widely marred by electoral fraud and resulted in the deposal of Bảo Đại by Prime Minister Ngô Đình Diệm, who proclaimed himself president of the new republic on 26 October 1955."

 

[GLASNOST]

Which government in south Vietnam between 1955-1975 are you regarding as legitimate?

There were none. There never was a country named South Vietnam. Contact the Embassy of Vietnam and ask them.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Nobody thinks Vietnam was a good idea today.

We should have shipped Nixon off to the Hague as a war criminal.

Most agree it was a just cause and Nixon had nothing to do with it

Find someone smarter than Chomsky.

The Legacy of the Vietnam War, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Paul Shannon

“American imperialism has suffered a stunning defeat in Indochina. But the same forces are engaged In another war against a much less resilient enemy, the American people.'

"'Here, the prospects for success are much greater.'

"'The battleground is ideological, not military.'

"'At stake are the lessons to be drawn from the American war in Indochina; the outcome will determine the course and character of new imperial ventures'"

— Noam Chomsky, 1975"

Thats easy the average tik toker is smarter

Chomsky is stating deliberately twisted and dishonest opinion he is not stating facts

 

[JoeB131]

Most agree it was a just cause and Nixon had nothing to do with it

Most in a Poll Term Vietnam a Mistake (Published 1970)

Gallup Poll repts number of Amers who think US was wrong to have become involved in Vietnam is increasing; says 56% of Amers believe US made mistake; figures from latest and many earlier polls listed

www.nytimes.com

A majority of adults — 56 per cent — believe the United States made a mistake in send ing troops to fight in Vietnam. In a previous survey taken in April, the percentage was 51 per cent. In September 58 per cent held this view — the highest percentage in the polls that have included the ques tion.

CBS News Poll: U.S. involvement in Vietnam

50 years after the Tet Offensive, the percentage of Americans who think the nation should have stayed out of the conflict has changed

www.cbsnews.com

As the 50th anniversary of the Tet Offensive approaches, few Americans today think the U.S. did the right thing in getting involved in the fighting in Vietnam. By a margin of more than two-to-one (51% to 22%), Americans think the U.S. should have stayed out of the conflict, versus those who believed the "did the right thing" by participating in the war. Roughly a quarter of respondents (27%) had no opinion.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Most in a Poll Term Vietnam a Mistake (Published 1970)

Gallup Poll repts number of Amers who think US was wrong to have become involved in Vietnam is increasing; says 56% of Amers believe US made mistake; figures from latest and many earlier polls listed

www.nytimes.com

A majority of adults — 56 per cent — believe the United States made a mistake in send ing troops to fight in Vietnam. In a previous survey taken in April, the percentage was 51 per cent. In September 58 per cent held this view — the highest percentage in the polls that have included the ques tion.

CBS News Poll: U.S. involvement in Vietnam

50 years after the Tet Offensive, the percentage of Americans who think the nation should have stayed out of the conflict has changed

www.cbsnews.com

As the 50th anniversary of the Tet Offensive approaches, few Americans today think the U.S. did the right thing in getting involved in the fighting in Vietnam. By a margin of more than two-to-one (51% to 22%), Americans think the U.S. should have stayed out of the conflict, versus those who believed the "did the right thing" by participating in the war. Roughly a quarter of respondents (27%) had no opinion.

So you concede

everyone does NOT think as you do and you proved it

 

[JoeB131]

So you concede

everyone does NOT think as you do and you proved it

Given how few people who are alive who remember Vietnam, the fact that such a majority realize it was a mistake is telling.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Most in a Poll Term Vietnam a Mistake (Published 1970)

Gallup Poll repts number of Amers who think US was wrong to have become involved in Vietnam is increasing; says 56% of Amers believe US made mistake; figures from latest and many earlier polls listed

www.nytimes.com

A majority of adults — 56 per cent — believe the United States made a mistake in send ing troops to fight in Vietnam. In a previous survey taken in April, the percentage was 51 per cent. In September 58 per cent held this view — the highest percentage in the polls that have included the ques tion.

CBS News Poll: U.S. involvement in Vietnam

50 years after the Tet Offensive, the percentage of Americans who think the nation should have stayed out of the conflict has changed

www.cbsnews.com

As the 50th anniversary of the Tet Offensive approaches, few Americans today think the U.S. did the right thing in getting involved in the fighting in Vietnam. By a margin of more than two-to-one (51% to 22%), Americans think the U.S. should have stayed out of the conflict, versus those who believed the "did the right thing" by participating in the war. Roughly a quarter of respondents (27%) had no opinion.

Hindsight is 20/20. That said, it was never a popular war at any point. Still, it does not excuse what Fonda did and how she conducted herself.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Given how few people who are alive who remember Vietnam, the fact that such a majority realize it was a mistake is telling.

It was a justified war

 

[GLASNOST]

..... it was never a popular war .... Still, it does not excuse what Fonda did and how she conducted herself.

Helping to end a war and saving lives wasn't popular? No, I suspose it wasn't. We should continue to kill and die. You talk about how Fonda conducted herself. What excuse did we soldiers have for conducting ourselves?

 

[frigidweirdo]

She went about it the wrong way, and even she now admits she was wrong.

Or maybe she did it the right way, she got noticed, even in 2025 people know who she is when they say "Hanoi Jane"...

 

[Dante]

Jane Fonda - American Treasure

 

[Soupnazi630]

Jane Fonda - American Treasure

jane Fonda - American embarrasent

Fixed it

 

[Soupnazi630]

Helping to end a war and saving lives wasn't popular? No, I suspose it wasn't. We should continue to kill and die. You talk about how Fonda conducted herself. What excuse did we soldiers have for conducting ourselves?

She did not help and it or save any lives

 

[JoeB131]

Hindsight is 20/20. That said, it was never a popular war at any point. Still, it does not excuse what Fonda did and how she conducted herself.

Sure it does. We engaged in a great evil trying to bomb a smaller country into submission because our leaders lied to us about what the war was all about.

Fonda- GASP - exposed the lies. HOW DARE SHE?

Can't say she showed the best judgement, but her intentions were a lot more pure than Tricky Dick escalating a war he knew was unwinnable to save face.

It was a justified war

You are too stupid to be posting here, really. I mean, you are giving sparky a run for the dumbest poster on the board.

Okay, let's break it down here. the US government lied to the American people from the beginning. We told them the South Vietnamese wanted our kind of government. That was horseshit, and we knew it. Ho was a national hero, and the people we backed (Diem, Ky, Theiu) were all seen as French Collaborators/traitors. This is the basic reality of the thing.

If an election had been held, Ho would have won. Hands down.

We kept sending young men into a meat grinder for no purpose.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Sure it does. We engaged in a great evil trying to bomb a smaller country into submission because our leaders lied to us about what the war was all about.

Fonda- GASP - exposed the lies. HOW DARE SHE?

Can't say she showed the best judgement, but her intentions were a lot more pure than Tricky Dick escalating a war he knew was unwinnable to save face.



You are too stupid to be posting here, really. I mean, you are giving sparky a run for the dumbest poster on the board.

Okay, let's break it down here. the US government lied to the American people from the beginning. We told them the South Vietnamese wanted our kind of government. That was horseshit, and we knew it. Ho was a national hero, and the people we backed (Diem, Ky, Theiu) were all seen as French Collaborators/traitors. This is the basic reality of the thing.

If an election had been held, Ho would have won. Hands down.

We kept sending young men into a meat grinder for no purpose.

They did not lie to us over what the war was about. The bombing was very limited and cannot be described as tryinbg to bomb them into submission

She made no expose of any kind

The average illiterate vietnamese peasant did not care about any government one way or the other. They may not have supported our side but they did not support Minh either. There was no lie anfd there was never a pretense that they wanted the Diem government.

If minh would have won he should have held an election. No one, especially the US, was stopping him,

He siezed power refused to hold an election and attacked the south.

Those are facts moron.

Nothing fonda did exposed anything not already known, She was just a treasonous whore

You are just a whore and the dumbest person on the forum. You know i own your worthless ass on every thread and have PROVEN that you are an absolute LIAR

 

[JoeB131]

They did not lie to us over what the war was about. The bombing was very limited and cannot be described as tryinbg to bomb them into submission

We dropped more bombs on North Vietnam than we dropped on Germany and Japan combined in WW2.

The average illiterate vietnamese peasant did not care about any government one way or the other. They may not have supported our side but they did not support Minh either. There was no lie anfd there was never a pretense that they wanted the Diem government.

wow, that's a little racist of you, isn't it?

If minh would have won he should have held an election. No one, especially the US, was stopping him,

He wanted an election. It was Diem who started it. (Oh, by the way, Ho would be the family name. Like Most Asians, the family name is before the personal name. So his name would be Ho, not Mihn. If you don't even have this basic understanding of the culture, you probably aren't qualified to talk about the issue at all.)