Handing Iraq back to Al Qaeda: How do our Iraq War vets feel about it?

[Mustang]

Handing Iraq back to Al Qaeda

Funny someone should write "handing Iraq back to al Qaeda" when al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until the Republicans opened the door and let them in.

Bullshit.

New Frontier After the fall of the Taliban, al-Zarqawi slips out through Iran to northern Iraq, linking up with local terrorism groups. He achieves global notoriety when Colin Powell names him in his February 2003 U.N. speech laying out the U.S.'s case for invading Iraq.

TIMELINE: Zarqawi's road to perdition. - TIME

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Your idea of "Bullshit" to rdean's post is that a lone man slipped into northern Iraq (Kurd territory, if I'm not mistaken) after Bush launches air and land attacks in Afghanistan?

What UTTER nonsense!

The POINT is that al Qaeda had nothing remotely resembling a foothold in Iraq while Saddam was in power because Saddam and his security forces brutally oppressed and suppressed and and all opposition to his one man rule within the borders of Iraq. If there was anything resembling resistance, it was in the Kurdish region. But they weren't interested in sharing power. They wanted their own nation which would encompass the Kurds who are living in a fairly widespread area in many countries, INCLUDING Turkey, which just so happens to be a US ally. That's another screw up of Bush as far as some of our allies are concerned because we've essentially given the Kurds a foothold in establishing self rule, and they will almost certainly finance insurgencies in other countries in the hopes of one day establishing a greater Kurdistan.

 

[Lakhota]

Handing Iraq back to Al Qaeda: How do our Iraq War vets feel about it?

Al-Qaeda never had Iraq in the first place. Saddam hated al-Qaeda.

 

[asterism]

Handing Iraq back to Al Qaeda

Funny someone should write "handing Iraq back to al Qaeda" when al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until the Republicans opened the door and let them in.

Bullshit.

New Frontier After the fall of the Taliban, al-Zarqawi slips out through Iran to northern Iraq, linking up with local terrorism groups. He achieves global notoriety when Colin Powell names him in his February 2003 U.N. speech laying out the U.S.'s case for invading Iraq.

TIMELINE: Zarqawi's road to perdition. - TIME

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Your idea of "Bullshit" to rdean's post is that a lone man slipped into northern Iraq (Kurd territory, if I'm not mistaken) after Bush launches air and land attacks in Afghanistan?

What UTTER nonsense!

The POINT is that al Qaeda had nothing remotely resembling a foothold in Iraq while Saddam was in power because Saddam and his security forces brutally oppressed and suppressed and and all opposition to his one man rule within the borders of Iraq. If there was anything resembling resistance, it was in the Kurdish region. But they weren't interested in sharing power. They wanted their own nation which would encompass the Kurds who are living in a fairly widespread area in many countries, INCLUDING Turkey, which just so happens to be a US ally. That's another screw up of Bush as far as some of our allies are concerned because we've essentially given the Kurds a foothold in establishing self rule, and they will almost certainly finance insurgencies in other countries in the hopes of one day establishing a greater Kurdistan.

A lone man who picked Iraq as his destination to grow Al Qaeda after Afghanistan was no longer hospitable - which is why we went to Iraq after Afghanistan. Al Qaeda didn't follow us, we followed them.

 

[Mustang]

Bullshit.


TIMELINE: Zarqawi's road to perdition. - TIME

"

Your idea of "Bullshit" to rdean's post is that a lone man slipped into northern Iraq (Kurd territory, if I'm not mistaken) after Bush launches air and land attacks in Afghanistan?

What UTTER nonsense!

The POINT is that al Qaeda had nothing remotely resembling a foothold in Iraq while Saddam was in power because Saddam and his security forces brutally oppressed and suppressed and and all opposition to his one man rule within the borders of Iraq. If there was anything resembling resistance, it was in the Kurdish region. But they weren't interested in sharing power. They wanted their own nation which would encompass the Kurds who are living in a fairly widespread area in many countries, INCLUDING Turkey, which just so happens to be a US ally. That's another screw up of Bush as far as some of our allies are concerned because we've essentially given the Kurds a foothold in establishing self rule, and they will almost certainly finance insurgencies in other countries in the hopes of one day establishing a greater Kurdistan.

A lone man who picked Iraq as his destination to grow Al Qaeda after Afghanistan was no longer hospitable - which is why we went to Iraq after Afghanistan. Al Qaeda didn't follow us, we followed them.

That's patent nonsense. Al Qaeda didn't show up in Iraq in anything resembling real and organized numbers until Saddam was out of power which is what WE did for them, regardless of what our stated intentions were. The US paved the way for al Qaeda to make inroads into a chaotic environment. That's when they perceived a double reason for going there. One, there was a power vacuum with competing factions fighting for control of the country, and TWO in order to kill Americans.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Handing Iraq back to Al Qaeda: How do our Iraq War vets feel about it?

Al-Qaeda never had Iraq in the first place. Saddam hated al-Qaeda.

Well, I'll tell you what there Beannie....


You DON'T have to worry about Al Qaeda - the bunch that has taken the country back - while your boy plays golf - is a hundred times more violent than Al Qaeda EVER claimed to be.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the new "Bin Laden") told Americans, when they released him after capture - "I'll see you guys in New York".

A Jihadist?s Parting Words: ?I?ll See You Guys in New York? | TheBlaze.com

So yeah - you go ahead and stick your nose up in the air - your boy told us that we "had Al Qaeda on the run". One "Monster" has been replaced by another "Monster" that is three times as bad as the last one.

The threat only gets larger.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shut up Starkey.

Truth, son.

Do you know our incompetent president is three times more popular than the far right. Amazing.

Yeah Jake, we'll see how you guys do in November. I suspect you're in for Shellacking, Part II

Yup, you know the TPs took a 90% shellacking on primary candidates, which I called a long time ago that would happen.

GOP will hold the House, I don't think will now get the Senate, and the mainstream GOP is going to go after the few remaining TPs.

Righteously so.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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We could have stayed in Iraq for 500 years.

On the day we left, the bad guys take it over.

We should not have invaded in the first place.

The lives, limbs and minds that we lost were a tragedy that should not have happened.

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Like it or not? There was a plan in place to keep the peace. Obama torpedoed it for the sake of getting re-elected..."..."I stopped the WAR in Iraq, Killed bin-Laden, and al-Quaeda is now on the run..."

Obama frames everything on politics, his popularity, and his legacy. He is a narcissit that is only worried of himself...he is the worst kind that never thinks of the consequences...who he hurts in the process. His 'legacy' will be the WORST of any US President in history.

No there wasn't. Not any more than "they will welcome us as liberators". It was a mistake to go in the first place. A BIG mistake. People like you would like to sit on your safe couch and send our troops to be killed in even larger numbers....and the results would still be the same, except more Americans dead. Is that a goal of yours?

Recheck your plywood, Commander, there was a plan for the peace and Obama fucked it up

 

[The T]

Like it or not? There was a plan in place to keep the peace. Obama torpedoed it for the sake of getting re-elected..."..."I stopped the WAR in Iraq, Killed bin-Laden, and al-Quaeda is now on the run..."

Obama frames everything on politics, his popularity, and his legacy. He is a narcissit that is only worried of himself...he is the worst kind that never thinks of the consequences...who he hurts in the process. His 'legacy' will be the WORST of any US President in history.

No there wasn't. Not any more than "they will welcome us as liberators". It was a mistake to go in the first place. A BIG mistake. People like you would like to sit on your safe couch and send our troops to be killed in even larger numbers....and the results would still be the same, except more Americans dead. Is that a goal of yours?

Recheck your plywood, Commander, there was a plan for the peace and Obama fucked it up

Precisely General CF...for your amusement or Bemusement).

http://www.usmessageboard.com/9269885-post96.html

 

[Contumacious]

How do our Iraq War veterans, who fought and bled to free Iraq from Saddam Hussein and his terrorist training camps, feel about Obama pulling our troops out and handing the country back to Al Qaeda?."

WUT?

While Saddam was in power AQ did not operate in Iraq.

AQ is now in Iraq because war criminal Bush II created a power vaccum when he removed Saddam.

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[CrusaderFrank]

Truth, son.

Do you know our incompetent president is three times more popular than the far right. Amazing.

Yeah Jake, we'll see how you guys do in November. I suspect you're in for Shellacking, Part II

Yup, you know the TPs took a 90% shellacking on primary candidates, which I called a long time ago that would happen.

GOP will hold the House, I don't think will now get the Senate, and the mainstream GOP is going to go after the few remaining TPs.

Righteously so.

TP never expected to win 100%. The deStarkification of the Republican Party will take time.

We took down Cantor, so there's a big RINO head over the fireplace

We'll take the Senate and we'll put an end to Obama's lawlessness after November.

Shellacking, Part II. It's as sure as your girl Hillary not getting the Dem nomination

 

[kiwiman127]

Here's an interesting read:

Bush's toxic legacy in Iraq
ISIS, the brutal insurgent/terrorist group formerly known as al Qaeda in Iraq, has seized much of western and northern Iraq and even threatens towns not far from Baghdad.
From where did ISIS spring? One of George W. Bush's most toxic legacies is the introduction of al Qaeda into Iraq, which is the ISIS mother ship.
If this wasn't so tragic it would be supremely ironic, because before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, top Bush officials were insisting that there was an al Qaeda-Iraq axis of evil. Their claims that Saddam Hussein's men were training members of al Qaeda how to make weapons of mass destruction seemed to be one of the most compelling rationales for the impending war.
After the fall of Hussein's regime, no documents were unearthed in Iraq proving the Hussein-al Qaeda axis despite the fact that, like other totalitarian regimes, Hussein's government kept massive and meticulous records.
The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency had by 2006 translated 34 million pages of documents from Hussein's Iraq and found there was nothing to substantiate a "partnership" between Hussein and al Qaeda.
Two years later the Pentagon's own internal think tank, the Institute for Defense Analyses, concluded after examining 600,000 Hussein-era documents and several thousand hours of his regime's audio- and videotapes that there was no "smoking gun (i.e. direct connection between Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda.)"
The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded in 2008, as every other investigation had before, that there was no "cooperative relationship" between Hussein and al Qaeda. The committee also found that "most of the contacts cited between Iraq and al Qaeda before the war by the intelligence community and policy makers have been determined not to have occurred."
Instead of interrupting a budding relationship between Hussein and al Qaeda, the Iraq War precipitated the arrival of al Qaeda into Iraq. Although the Bush administration tended to gloss over the fact, al Qaeda only formally established itself in Iraq a year and a half after the U.S. invasion.
Opinion: Bush's toxic legacy in Iraq - CNN.com

 

[bodecea]

Like it or not? There was a plan in place to keep the peace. Obama torpedoed it for the sake of getting re-elected..."..."I stopped the WAR in Iraq, Killed bin-Laden, and al-Quaeda is now on the run..."

Obama frames everything on politics, his popularity, and his legacy. He is a narcissit that is only worried of himself...he is the worst kind that never thinks of the consequences...who he hurts in the process. His 'legacy' will be the WORST of any US President in history.

No there wasn't. Not any more than "they will welcome us as liberators". It was a mistake to go in the first place. A BIG mistake. People like you would like to sit on your safe couch and send our troops to be killed in even larger numbers....and the results would still be the same, except more Americans dead. Is that a goal of yours?

Recheck your plywood, Commander, there was a plan for the peace and Obama fucked it up

and that plan was.....?

 

[Mustang]

Here's an interesting read:

Bush's toxic legacy in Iraq
ISIS, the brutal insurgent/terrorist group formerly known as al Qaeda in Iraq, has seized much of western and northern Iraq and even threatens towns not far from Baghdad.
From where did ISIS spring? One of George W. Bush's most toxic legacies is the introduction of al Qaeda into Iraq, which is the ISIS mother ship.
If this wasn't so tragic it would be supremely ironic, because before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, top Bush officials were insisting that there was an al Qaeda-Iraq axis of evil. Their claims that Saddam Hussein's men were training members of al Qaeda how to make weapons of mass destruction seemed to be one of the most compelling rationales for the impending war.
After the fall of Hussein's regime, no documents were unearthed in Iraq proving the Hussein-al Qaeda axis despite the fact that, like other totalitarian regimes, Hussein's government kept massive and meticulous records.
The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency had by 2006 translated 34 million pages of documents from Hussein's Iraq and found there was nothing to substantiate a "partnership" between Hussein and al Qaeda.
Two years later the Pentagon's own internal think tank, the Institute for Defense Analyses, concluded after examining 600,000 Hussein-era documents and several thousand hours of his regime's audio- and videotapes that there was no "smoking gun (i.e. direct connection between Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda.)"
The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded in 2008, as every other investigation had before, that there was no "cooperative relationship" between Hussein and al Qaeda. The committee also found that "most of the contacts cited between Iraq and al Qaeda before the war by the intelligence community and policy makers have been determined not to have occurred."
Instead of interrupting a budding relationship between Hussein and al Qaeda, the Iraq War precipitated the arrival of al Qaeda into Iraq. Although the Bush administration tended to gloss over the fact, al Qaeda only formally established itself in Iraq a year and a half after the U.S. invasion.
Opinion: Bush's toxic legacy in Iraq - CNN.com

I can't imagine who it was that ever bought into the notion that a secular Sunni Saddam Hussein would ever even have entertained the possibility of becoming involved with a religious Shia movement which was anathema to everything Saddam was about.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Handing Iraq back to Al Qaeda: How do our Iraq War vets feel about it?

A little late asking this question. Anybody with half a brain knew we were doing that when we pulled out. Very similar to handing S. Vietnam back to the communists. What the soldier gains the politician throws away. So inspiring.

 

[rdean]

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We could have stayed in Iraq for 500 years.

On the day we left, the bad guys take it over.

We should not have invaded in the first place.

The lives, limbs and minds that we lost were a tragedy that should not have happened.

.

Like it or not? There was a plan in place to keep the peace. Obama torpedoed it for the sake of getting re-elected..."..."I stopped the WAR in Iraq, Killed bin-Laden, and al-Quaeda is now on the run..."

Obama frames everything on politics, his popularity, and his legacy. He is a narcissit that is only worried of himself...he is the worst kind that never thinks of the consequences...who he hurts in the process. His 'legacy' will be the WORST of any US President in history.

Yea, we see the plan. It started back in 2003. Obama was smart to get out. Republicans put a shitstain government in place and they are trying to do that here with voter suppression.
Republicans are so ignorant, they can't see the reason Iraq failed is because Republicans felt they could bully people without even knowing the difference between Shiite and Sunni. Republicans in their total fucking ignorance, created a Iran friendly Shiite government without even knowing what they were doing. Why? Because they hate education and were trying to show the "elites" how it's done.

 

[Contumacious]

Handing Iraq back to Al Qaeda: How do our Iraq War vets feel about it?

A little late asking this question. Anybody with half a brain knew we were doing that when we pulled out. Very similar to handing S. Vietnam back to the communists. What the soldier gains the politician throws away. So inspiring.

Shut the fuck up.

Anybody with half a brain knew that war criminal Bush II and his army were lying to Americans. Distorting the truth by censuring the media

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