Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[gipper]

Ugh. You have no idea. Bill C-18 is such a pain in the ass.

You know the old adage. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Jroc]

These are Kfir and Ariel Bibas, two brothers who were kidnapped by Gazans and brutally strangled to death. The only people who murder children are the Palestinians, not the Israelis.

Via JT

That there is such deep antisemitism that people are quick to believe the worst of Jews is chilling, given the past. What makes it worse now is that there are armies of paid Jew-haters disseminating the lies via social media.

Jew derangement syndrome

 

[ShahdagMountains]

(Aug. 16, 2025 / JNS)
“Hamas is first and foremost a group of murderers,” Israeli Ambassador to the United States Yechiel Leiter said on Saturday, speaking in response to international figures’ recent characterization of the terrorist group as a political party.

Francesca Albanese, the U.N. special rapporteur for Palestinian rights, and Ian Williams, president of the Foreign Press Association New York, “both excused Hamas” by considering it a legitimate political party, Leiter said in a recorded message posted on X.

Leiter continued his remarks on Saturday, saying, “Calling yourself a political party does not provide you refuge from being a murderer. Hamas is a political party, yes, but in its charter—its political charter—it clearly calls for the annihilation of Israel and the murder of Jews.

“The fact that [Hamas] couches themselves in terms of politics doesn’t excuse them, doesn’t let them off the hook, it means that they must be defeated, like their predecessors: like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, like Stalin in the Soviet Union, like the Arrow Cross in Hungary, like the Ustaše in Croatia,” the ambassador said.

“These are all political parties, but they’re murderous political parties, and they have to be defeated—like the Nazis had to be defeated. They, too, Francesca, were elected by the people,” the Israeli official said.

Israeli envoy to UN's Albanese, FPA's Williams: Murder, rape make Hamas a terrorist group

“Calling yourself a political party does not provide you refuge from being a murderer," Ambassador to the U.S. Yechiel Leiter said.

www.jns.org

 

[JoeB131]

And the Palestinians brought their children out to “celebrate” when the coffins of these two babies were paraded about.

And?

The bodies were exchanged for political prisoners, that is a cause for celebration.

Violence begets violence.

 

[JoeB131]

That there is such deep antisemitism that people are quick to believe the worst of Jews is chilling, given the past. What makes it worse now is that there are armies of paid Jew-haters disseminating the lies via social media.

oooh, oooh, I can get paid for this? Sign me up!!!

 

[toomuchtime_]

I'd argue the point is that every. single. time. I can identify the name of an individual claimed to have been a victim of starvation from chronic lack of access to food (and blaming Israel) that person is instead suffering from a genetic or chronic illness which affects their ability to process nutrition. Every. Single. Time. Overwhelming evidence that media is using bogus content to demonize Israel. And strongly suggestive that no healthy persons are experiencing levels of catastrophic starvation.

I agree with you and there is obviously a propaganda campaign going on to mislead the public into thinking conditions are much worse than they which is made clear by the NYT and other major media outlets knowingly publishing a photo of a boy suffering from various debilitating diseases and claiming t as evidence of starvation. It is maddening but it is pointless to debate it with JoeB13 since he if here only to vilify Jews and has no interest in whether anything he posts is true or not.

 

[gipper]

I will never forgive the Western world for this.
For choosing—open-eyed, open-mouthed—to care more about those who murder, rape, torture, burn alive, and take civilians hostage than they do about Jews.
Take a long, cold look at what “Palestinianism” has created. This is who they are. This is who they have always been. And watching Western liberals wrap themselves in the flag of fundamentalist Islamist terrorists—terrorists who would slit their throats without hesitation—while Israelis (and others) are starved, beaten, and tortured for over 700 days… that will haunt me until my last breath.

I will never see any of you the same way again.

~ The Real Israel.

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You’re referring to Israel right?

 

[gipper]

I agree with you and there is obviously a propaganda campaign going on to mislead the public into thinking conditions are much worse than they which is made clear by the NYT and other major media outlets knowingly publishing a photo of a boy suffering from various debilitating diseases and claiming t as evidence of starvation. It is maddening but it is pointless to debate it with JoeB13 since he if here only to vilify Jews and has no interest in whether anything he posts is true or not.

You’re mislead into supporting genocide. Somehow idiots like you think the Zionist controlled media in the US is controlled by Hamas.

LMFAO.

Dumb dupe.

 

[Shusha]

It is maddening but it is pointless to debate it with JoeB13 since he if here only to vilify Jews and has no interest in whether anything he posts is true or not.

I've been at this a long time. More than 25 years. Beliefnet at first, then here when Beliefnet shut down their debate boards. We used to have actual conversations and debate. People used to have ideas and real suggestions and thoughtful response to arguments. People used to be rational. Words used to mean what words actually mean. Holding knowledge and real information used to be a vital part of the discourse.

The world is not the same as it was. There isn't anyone here on THAT side** who can hold a serious discussion. (I miss Coyote , even if she was wrong poke poke, she could at least carry a real back-and-forth discussion and understood the value of having real information).

I keep feeling as though it is time to go back and read Hitler's Willing Executioners, to see just how far along in the timeline we are. I suspect further than I suspect.

We are well past Eliminationist Antisemitism. "...a discourse - namely a discourse - structured by a stable framework with widely accepted reference points, images, and explicit elaborations - had for over thirty years been in place with regard to the Jews. The consolidation of this discourse, the forging of a common set of assumptions and beliefs about Jews, the solidifying of the Jews as a cultural and political symbol, one of decomposition, malignancy, and willful evil, meant that it was well-nigh impossibly to discuss Jews except in its frame of reference."

We are well into the arena Policy and Law specifically against the Jews, as such.

We are meandering into the territory of widespread global individual and personal persecution of Jews, found generally acceptable, including violence and killing members of the group, as such.

We are expelling Jews, as such, from public and other places either through legal means, or through societal pressure, or through intimidation.

We are further along in the process than we notice. Which says something about how these things happen.

JoeB has a particular obsession with making white people go back to Europe. Rather odd, since he doesn't demand that for other places where white people "don't belong".

Anyway. Shrug. I don't do this to convince JoeB. Or any of the others spouting their nonsense. I do it primarily for me. It keeps me informed and well-researched. It keeps me there in the middle of things. And maybe, just maybe, there are some quiet readers who don't post much, who might see something and have it make a difference, even if it is just to go read the correction in the NYT.




**Though I loathe to call the two points of view "sides". It's reductive at best. And at worst the only people who really are on the side of the Palestinians are also pro-Israel.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I keep feeling as though it is time to go back and read Hitler's Willing Executioners, to see just how far along in the timeline we are. I suspect further than I suspect.

I read that book.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

At the Kerem Shalom crossing, N12 Israel journalists interviewed Gazan civilians leaving the Strip – some seeking medical treatment for their children, others simply desperate for a better life.
On the evacuation buses, they heard first-hand accounts of the hardship left behind, the devastation endured, and who they hold responsible for their suffering.
The message repeated again and again?
“We blame Hamas.”

Via AIJAC

 

[ShahdagMountains]

• "If you notice, the talks with Hamas fell apart on the day Macron made the unilateral decision that he's going to recognize a Palestinian state. And then you have other people come forward, other countries say, well, if there is not a ceasefire by September, we're going to recognize a Palestinian state. Well, if I'm Hamas, I basically conclude, 'let's not do a ceasefire because we can be rewarded, we can claim it as a victory.'" — US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
• The situation in Gaza could quite easily have been resolved many months ago if Hamas had laid down its weapons and released the hostages it had no business kidnapping in the first place. This did not happen. Nevertheless, Israel is blamed for trying to get its tortured and starved hostages released. What would France, Britain, Canada or Australia have done?
• The party responsible for Gaza's collateral damage is Hamas.

Here We Go Again – The West's Palestinian State Fantasy

Only leaders completely sold out to extremist ideologies would persist in pushing a proposal so far detached from reality and so harmful to many people -- starting with the atrociously governed Palestinians -- that it is almost beyond comprehension. "If

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

 

[JohnDB]

Explain to me how this does not apply.

It summarizes these people perfectly.

 

[JoeB131]

I agree with you and there is obviously a propaganda campaign going on to mislead the public into thinking conditions are much worse than they which is made clear by the NYT and other major media outlets knowingly publishing a photo of a boy suffering from various debilitating diseases and claiming t as evidence of starvation. It is maddening but it is pointless to debate it with JoeB13 since he if here only to vilify Jews and has no interest in whether anything he posts is true or not.

Yes, everyone is out to get the poor Jews, and no one has a sincere concern about what they are doing over there.

I could plaster this thread with pictures of starving and wounded Palestinian Children. I won't because I don't think the mods would be too keen on that, and frankly, I don't want to look at them all day, it's too depressing.

Let's say for the sake of argument, that someone could prove to you that Palestinian Children ARE Starving to death. Somehow, I don't think that would bother you all that much. You've already discarded their humanity.

 

[JoeB131]

"If you notice, the talks with Hamas fell apart on the day Macron made the unilateral decision that he's going to recognize a Palestinian state. And then you have other people come forward, other countries say, well, if there is not a ceasefire by September, we're going to recognize a Palestinian state. Well, if I'm Hamas, I basically conclude, 'let's not do a ceasefire because we can be rewarded, we can claim it as a victory.'" — US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

Israel can do a cease-fire on their own as a show of good faith. There's really nothing they are accomplishing at this point other than just inflicting misery on the Palestinian People, which is probably the point.

The situation in Gaza could quite easily have been resolved many months ago if Hamas had laid down its weapons and released the hostages it had no business kidnapping in the first place. This did not happen. Nevertheless, Israel is blamed for trying to get its tortured and starved hostages released. What would France, Britain, Canada or Australia have done?

They'd have probably done what the US did with Iran and the Hostages in Lebanon, find an agreement that released the hostages.

In fact, that is exactly what they've done in some cases.

Mellissa Fung - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Amanda Lindhout - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/20/world/europe/france-iran-prisoner-release.html

The party responsible for Gaza's collateral damage is Hamas.

Wow, great victim-blaming.

Hey, I think they need you at the rape crisis center to tell those women they shouldn't have dressed like sluts.

 

[Sayaras]

they believe in the God of Abaraham, Issac and Jacob.

Just like you do.

And since there are 1.5 billion of them and only 15 million of you, I'd say if God actually existed, he likes them better.

Unlike Christians and Muslims. Jews don't / didn't proselytize .
But you know that mr racism Yusuf.

 

[JoeB131]

Unlike Christians and Muslims. Jews don't / didn't proselytize .
But you know that mr racism Yusuf.

Um, why does that matter?

If you act like a dick because of your superstitions, it doesn't matter if you are trying to convert people or not.

Theologically, it's a little worse. You are trying to limit God's Grace to yourself.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Sadly, the opposite is happening. The Islamists are taking over the UK, France, and Australia. I even heard a rumor today that Germany is caving to the Islamists in that country and recognizing a “Palestinian state.”

Horrible, given Germany’s history….siding with the people who would like to eradicate the Jews.

There’s also “The Replacement Theory”.

 

[Lisa558]

There’s also “The Replacement Theory”.

Oh-oh….what’s that?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yes, everyone is out to get the poor Jews, and no one has a sincere concern about what they are doing over there.

I could plaster this thread with pictures of starving and wounded Palestinian Children. I won't because I don't think the mods would be too keen on that, and frankly, I don't want to look at them all day, it's too depressing.

Let's say for the sake of argument, that someone could prove to you that Palestinian Children ARE Starving to death. Somehow, I don't think that would bother you all that much. You've already discarded their humanity.

Everyone is not out to get the Jews, but clearly you are as you have tried to justify the persecution of Jews in Europe through the centuries and cited it as a justification for acts of terrorism by Palestinians.

You have made it clear your only purpose here is to vilify Jews, and I have no doubt you could plaster this thread with pictures of allegedly starving and wounded children and have no interest at all in whether these pictures were accurate since they would serve your purpose of vilifying Jews whether they were bogus or not.

You clearly suffer from a deep hatred of Jews, and yet as evidenced by your frequent lies about Jews and your indifference to whether pictures of allegedly malnourished children are bogus or not demonstrate you have no idea why you hate Jews so much.