Hamas Leader Killed

[Shusha]

Then do so after the war and not in the middle of a war induced humanitarian catastrophe!

Or do it now, so it is not a question after the war. Dismantling UNWRA is part and parcel of dismantling Hamas and the infrastructure which gave Hamas its life breath. It's part of the war.

 

[Tyrion234]

Today we choose a new leader. And we will not choose a fascist piece of shit like you people chose!

You nailed it!

 

[Lisa558]

Then do so after the war and not in the middle of a war induced humanitarian catastrophe!

The war was not induced by a humanitarian catastrophe. It was induced by sub-human Islamic terrorists who went house to house in Israel to find every innocent Jewish man, woman, child, and baby to rape to death, burn alive, and decapitate.

Let’s stop painting Palestinians as the innocent victims. Their schools teach kindergarteners “Kill the Jew” games. These are backward, hateful people, which explains why no Arab country will accept them.

I think the solution is for Trump to tell Egypt that they will lose the $1.4 billion a year we give them in foreign aid if they don’t accept them, and $1 billion additional of they take them.

 

[Lisa558]

Today we choose a new leader. And we will not choose a fascist piece of shit like you people chose!

What?! You’re not American?

 

[Billo_Really]

What?! You’re not American?

I was wrong! We chose a fascist!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I was wrong! We chose a fascist!

You did, kinda.
Thankfully, she lost.

 

[Lisa558]

You did, kinda.
Thankfully, she lost.

Smarter heads prevailed, thank Gd, including the working class that Dems look down upon.

 

[daveman]

I'm not saying ending all humanitarian assistance.

If they want to move it away from UNWRA, then do so after the conflict ends and the humanitarian catastrophe is at least somewhat improved.

Your asking me to prove a negative. Is there any evidence tbat communication has occurred among COGAT and other organizations ahead of this law being passed? Any preparation? Going by statements from various humanitarian groups working in the area it doesn't seem like it, in fact they seem shocked and concerned about the ability of other groups to fill the void.



I think dismantling UNWRA during the war is far less likely to "go over well" than do so after the war. I also think Israel doesn't care whether or not it "goes over well".

I can think of no ethical reason to do this at this particular time. It leaves me asking "why" and the answers that come to me (in the context of what is going on in Israel's political arena) are not good at all.

Why should UNWRA be left in place to continue helping carry out terrorist attacks on Israel?

 

[Lisa558]

Why should UNWRA be left in place to continue helping carry out terrorist attacks on Israel?

True. They are very anti-Israel and enable Islamic terrorism. Some HAMAS savages or their relatives are actually embedded within it.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Attn. Lisa and Azog:

"When the Arabs rebuild Gaza and teach again that we are descendants of apes and pigs, and that we should be eradicated—there will be another October 7," cautioned Zvi Yehezkeli, the outspoken Channel 13 news correspondent, in a recent interview with Israel Hayom. Despite living "shoulder to shoulder" with Arabs in the Gush Etzion settlement of Bat Ayin, he asserts that peaceful coexistence is only possible from a position of strength.

Yehezkeli's grim outlook comes in the wake of the October 7 terrorist attacks that rocked Israel. He said he believes that unless Israel adopts a more assertive stance, it risks facing further violence and turmoil. "Currently, I live with Arabs shoulder to shoulder, but only when I'm strong. Who's strong—won't be messed with," he said, emphasizing the need for a robust defense strategy to ensure Israel's survival in a hostile region.


Palestinians break into the Israeli side of Israel-Gaza border fence after Hamas terrorists infiltrated areas of southern Israel, October 7, 2023. (credit: REUTERS/Mohammed Fayq Abu Mostafa)

'War against evil'​

Reflecting on his extensive experience covering the Middle East, Yehezkeli expressed concern over the deep-seated hatred that continues to fuel violence against Israelis. "We're in a war against evil," he stated. "Hamas said they came to purify the world of filthy Jews. This is the banality of evil, like Nazism." He further argued that those who fight in Gaza while focusing on the safety of Israeli civilians will ultimately succeed, while those who dwell on the plight of Gaza's children will falter.

 

[Ropey]

I don't accept

And yet he's still meat.

Now to ruin his ancestral line.

 

[Coyote]

Why should UNWRA be left in place to continue helping carry out terrorist attacks on Israel?

UNWRA employs over 30,000 people. Of that 30,000, 19 were implicated in Oct 7. They were immediately suspended and investigated. Of that number, the UN found sufficient evidence was present to believe 9 were involved in Oct 7. There have been numerous times Israel has made wide sweeping allegations against UNWRA but never provided evidence to support it. With 30,000, it wouldn’t be surprising if some were not involved in enemy actions. That is likely the case with any organization in involved in those kind of situations yet they aren’t branded as terrorists.

Take for example the IDF, proudly proclaimed as “the most ethical military” ever. Yet evidence has come out that they’ve used human shields, tortured and sexually assaulted prisoners, shot civilians, etc. The exploding pagers, which was brilliantly creative yet horrific and indiscriminate, killing and maiming hundreds of uninvolved civilians, terrorizing the Lebanese civilian population, would be condemned as a terrorist act anywhere else…shouldn’t the IDF then be considered a terrorist organization?

 

[Ropey]

UNWRA employs over 30,000 people. Of that 30,000, 19 were implicated in Oct 7. They were immediately suspended and investigated. Of that number, the UN found sufficient evidence was present to believe 9 were involved in Oct 7. There have been numerous times Israel has made wide sweeping allegations against UNWRA but never provided evidence to support it. With 30,000, it wouldn’t be surprising if some were not involved in enemy actions. That is likely the case with any organization in involved in those kind of situations yet they aren’t branded as terrorists.

Take for example the IDF, proudly proclaimed as “the most ethical military” ever. Yet evidence has come out that they’ve used human shields, tortured and sexually assaulted prisoners, shot civilians, etc. The exploding pagers, which was brilliantly creative yet horrific and indiscriminate, killing and maiming hundreds of uninvolved civilians, terrorizing the Lebanese civilian population, would be condemned as a terrorist act anywhere else…shouldn’t the IDF then be considered a terrorist organization?

You're a f'n moron.

You know what Hamas along with UNRWA did on October 7th. Those who curse Israel will be cursed and you're already paying.

Good that you can't control threads anymore.

 

[toomuchtime_]

UNWRA employs over 30,000 people. Of that 30,000, 19 were implicated in Oct 7. They were immediately suspended and investigated. Of that number, the UN found sufficient evidence was present to believe 9 were involved in Oct 7. There have been numerous times Israel has made wide sweeping allegations against UNWRA but never provided evidence to support it. With 30,000, it wouldn’t be surprising if some were not involved in enemy actions. That is likely the case with any organization in involved in those kind of situations yet they aren’t branded as terrorists.

Take for example the IDF, proudly proclaimed as “the most ethical military” ever. Yet evidence has come out that they’ve used human shields, tortured and sexually assaulted prisoners, shot civilians, etc. The exploding pagers, which was brilliantly creative yet horrific and indiscriminate, killing and maiming hundreds of uninvolved civilians, terrorizing the Lebanese civilian population, would be condemned as a terrorist act anywhere else…shouldn’t the IDF then be considered a terrorist organization?

Typical antisemitic bullshit. You don't seem to have any concept of what ethical or moral behavior is. When Israelis are accused of a crime, they are arrested tried and punished if found guilty, but if a Palestinian commits crimes against Jews, he or she is financially rewarded by the PA Martyrs Fund and becomes a culture hero among the Palestinians.

There was one Palestinian prisoner who was allegedly sexually assaulted by prison guards. All the guards involved have been arrested, and their trials are ongoing. It is unthinkable among the Palestinians to punish any Arab for any crime against any Jew. Were you not drowning in antisemitic bullshit you might be able to distinguish between a country like Israel that punishes criminal actions by individual Israeli citizens against Palestinians and a group like the Palestinians who celebrate and reward Arabs who commit crimes against Jews.

Calling the exploding pagers indiscriminate attacks of civilians, is another example of your rabid antisemitism. All the exploding pagers belonged to Hezbollah members and were presumed to be held close to the body, so that the small charges were unlikely to produce much collateral damage, and the evidence provided indicates that there was not much collateral damage. Ther is always some collateral damage in war and the amount of collateral damage that resulted from the exploding pagers was very small, compared to the deleterious effect it had not only on Hezbollah but on all parties to Iran's efforts to destroy Israel.

If it were not so obvious that you are a rabid antisemite, one would have to conclude you weren't smart enough to understand what the word, terrorism, meant. It means targeting the civilian population to cause so much pain that the enemy will lose heart and quit. So all of the attacks on Israel from Gaza, from Lebanon, from Syria, from Iraq, from Iran and from Yemen can be seen to be acts of terrorism, but there is no record of any Israeli attacks that targeted civilian, so none of them can reasonably be called terrorism.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

 

[ShahdagMountains]

It is unthinkable among the Palestinians to punish any Arab for any crime against any Jew.

It’s a badge of honour.

Palestinian children are brought up from birth to hate and despise Jews. Even eventually to kill them, and eradicate them from the earth..

Whereas Jewish children are in the kindergarten, learning Torah, not hatred of Arabs.

 

[Lisa558]

It’s a badge of honour.

Palestinian children are brought up from birth to hate and despise Jews. Even eventually to kill them, and eradicate them from the earth..

Whereas Jewish children are in the kindergarten, learning Torah, not hatred of Arabs.

And that shows how there is no moral equivalency between Israelis and Palestinians, or Jews and Muslims.

When an Israeli commits a crime against an Arab, he is charged and sent to prison (or whatever punishment meets the crime). When an Arab commits a crime against an Israeli, he is is cheered and financially rewarded.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It’s a badge of honour.

Palestinian children are brought up from birth to hate and despise Jews. Even eventually to kill them, and eradicate them from the earth..

Whereas Jewish children are in the kindergarten, learning Torah, not hatred of Arabs.

And that's how Muslim children have been raised since the tenth century.

"From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce."

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

 

[Coyote]

Typical antisemitic bullshit. You don't seem to have any concept of what ethical or moral behavior is. When Israelis are accused of a crime, they are arrested tried and punished if found guilty, but if a Palestinian commits crimes against Jews, he or she is financially rewarded by the PA Martyrs Fund and becomes a culture hero among the Palestinians.

Pardon me while I laugh. If an Israeli in the IDF commits a crime, we standard messaging “this does not represent our values” blah blah blah. Then nothing. If an Israeli Jew commits a crime against a Palestinian … what happens?

Here is what DOESN’t happen.
There is no massive raid of their settlements.
There are no mass detentions.
Minors (12 year olds) do not get detained.
They don’t get shot for throwing rocks at the IDF.
Their homes don’t get bulldozed.

Here is what DOES happen:
They are afforded their full civil rights guaranteed under the civil law including legal representation rather than the military justice system.
The IDF has been known to assist them in their violence or refuse to stop them.
Israel’s political leadership supports their violence and bills them new settlements.

Now blather on about antisemitism.

There was one Palestinian prisoner who was allegedly sexually assaulted by prison guards. All the guards involved have been arrested, and their trials are ongoing. It is unthinkable among the Palestinians to punish any Arab for any crime against any Jew. Were you not drowning in antisemitic bullshit you might be able to distinguish between a country like Israel that punishes criminal actions by individual Israeli citizens against Palestinians and a group like the Palestinians who celebrate and reward Arabs who commit crimes against Jews.

Is your only argument a “but look at what they do” justification? Meh.

By the way…you do realize Israeli settlers celebrate the violence committed on Palestinians right?

Calling the exploding pagers indiscriminate attacks of civilians, is another example of your rabid antisemitism. All the exploding pagers belonged to Hezbollah members and were presumed to be held close to the body, so that the small charges were unlikely to produce much collateral damage, and the evidence provided indicates that there was not much collateral damage. Ther is always some collateral damage in war and the amount of collateral damage that resulted from the exploding pagers was very small, compared to the deleterious effect it had not only on Hezbollah but on all parties to Iran's efforts to destroy Israel.

Everything that doesn’t toe the strict pro-Israel line is now labeled “anti-semitic”. Congratulations. You turned a word that used to mean something horrible into an empty accusation to shut up any opposition to your narratives.

Collateral damage. You guys love that word don’t? It’s, it can can cover a whole host of things and removes all culpability or accountability from your actions.

The exploding pagers was an act of terrorism injuring numerous innocent bystanders and terrifying the entire civilian population. Great job, you are now justifying terrorism just like a terrorist does!

If it were not so obvious that you are a rabid antisemite, one would have to conclude you weren't smart enough to understand what the word, terrorism, meant. It means targeting the civilian population to cause so much pain that the enemy will lose heart and quit. So all of the attacks on Israel from Gaza, from Lebanon, from Syria, from Iraq, from Iran and from Yemen can be seen to be acts of terrorism, but there is no record of any Israeli attacks that targeted civilian, so none of them can reasonably be called terrorism.

Blah blah blah antisemite antisemite antisemite. The pagers ended up targeting the civilians as much as Hezbollah. It was so carelessly done they may as well have openly targeted the civilians.

It spread terror. It was indiscriminate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Pardon me while I laugh. If an Israeli in the IDF commits a crime, we standard messaging “this does not represent our values” blah blah blah. Then nothing. If an Israeli Jew commits a crime against a Palestinian … what happens?

Here is what DOESN’t happen.
There is no massive raid of their settlements.
There are no mass detentions.
Minors (12 year olds) do not get detained.
They don’t get shot for throwing rocks at the IDF.
Their homes don’t get bulldozed.

Here is what DOES happen:
They are afforded their full civil rights guaranteed under the civil law including legal representation rather than the military justice system.
The IDF has been known to assist them in their violence or refuse to stop them.
Israel’s political leadership supports their violence and bills them new settlements.

Now blather on about antisemitism.




Is your only argument a “but look at what they do” justification? Meh.

By the way…you do realize Israeli settlers celebrate the violence committed on Palestinians right?


Everything that doesn’t toe the strict pro-Israel line is now labeled “anti-semitic”. Congratulations. You turned a word that used to mean something horrible into an empty accusation to shut up any opposition to your narratives.

Collateral damage. You guys love that word don’t? It’s, it can can cover a whole host of things and removes all culpability or accountability from your actions.

The exploding pagers was an act of terrorism injuring numerous innocent bystanders and terrifying the entire civilian population. Great job, you are now justifying terrorism just like a terrorist does!


Blah blah blah antisemite antisemite antisemite. The pagers ended up targeting the civilians as much as Hezbollah. It was so carelessly done they may as well have openly targeted the civilians.

It spread terror. It was indiscriminate.

The pagers ended up targeting the civilians as much as Hezbollah.

As much as? Tell me more.

It was so carelessly done they may as well have openly targeted the civilians.

How carelessly was it done? Post the number of Hezbollah terrorists killed and injured and the number of civilians killed and injured.