Hamas breaks ceasefire as rockets explode near Be'er Sheva

No point in talking about removing the blockade until they are disarmed since the point of the blockade is to make it harder for them to arm.
You're wrong.
The point of the blockade is to convince at least 80% of the Palestinians living in Gaza to leave the first time Israel makes that possible. Should that happen, a million Jews will move into Gaza, giving Israel its desired 80/20 percent Jewish majority. This same kind of stealth annexation by Jews has been going on in Palestine since before you and I were born, and it would not be continuing without the support of the US Congress.
 
You Israelis are psychopathic.
Hamas is the enemy you created. If they do harm, it is by your choice.

Anyway, Israel is on borrowed time. You have chosen to be apart from the civilised world. To be uncivilised. To be oppressors. You have no sense of history or of justice. Or injustice.

If you were treated as you treat the Palestinians you would be horrified. And you are mad enough to claim that you are the victims. One day you will be. On that day it will be down to people like me to protect you. And they will. And you will be surprised to find that many of them will be the Palestinians. They have a greater sense of justice that you, and though they oppose your evil with every fibre of their being, they oppose you because you are unjust.

When people come to take revenge, it will be those you persecute who will stand by you and with you.
Just as those who really experienced the 1940's holocaust stand by the Palestinians, while you, the immigrants from Russia and The East try to reproduce it.
 
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The blockade is not illegal. Once there was no blockade and there was still terrorism coming from Gaza.

So why should Israel give Hamas any prizes?

Why can't Hamas respect the ceasefire it asked for?
The blockade is a form of collective punishment which is illegal under international law, not that Israel has ever demonstrated any concern for any laws which restrict how much land between the River and the sea Jews are allowed to steal.
 
The blockade is a form of collective punishment which is illegal under international law, not that Israel has ever demonstrated any concern for any laws which restrict how much land between the River and the sea Jews are allowed to steal.

No, it is legal in international law.
 
georgephillip, Sweet_Caroline, et al,

Our friend "Sweet_Caroline" is correct. The blockade is not "illegal." In fact, it is not a form of "punishment" at all. It is a counter-terrorism measure.

The idea behind collective punishment is rooted in International Humanitarian Law (IHL); which "is the body of rules applicable when armed violence reaches the level of armed conflict, and is confined only to armed conflict, whether international or non-international. The relevant treaties are, of course, the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their two Additional Protocols of 1977, although IHL encompasses a range of other legally binding instruments and customary law as well. While IHL does not provide a definition of terrorism, it explicitly prohibits most acts committed against civilians and civilian objects in armed conflict that would commonly be considered ‘‘terrorist’’ if committed in peacetime.

It is a basic principle of IHL that persons engaged in armed conflict must at all times distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives. The principle of distinction is a cornerstone of IHL." (International Humanitarian Law and the Challenges of Contemporary Armed Conflicts)

No, it is legal in international law.
The blockade is a form of collective punishment which is illegal under international law, not that Israel has ever demonstrated any concern for any laws which restrict how much land between the River and the sea Jews are allowed to steal.

(OBSERVATION)

The are several goals and objectives to the blockade (Sea approach) and the containment security barriers (Landward approach) relative to the protection of Israeli sovereign integrity and its citizenry.

The "blockade and security containment" by Israel has no intention to severely deprive Gazans of fundamental rights contrary to international law by reason of the identity of the Palestinian as a group or collective. HAMAS (and the associated terrorist activities operating within or sporting Gaza) are not being singled-out by Israel purely as identifiable groups or collectives on basis of political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender, in connection with any act referred to as terrorism. This is not a form of "collective punishment" but a partial set of countermeasure:
  • To strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defense systems, money laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials.
  • To take the necessary measures to ensure that the intentional acts referred to below in points (a) to (i), as defined as offenses under national law, which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organization where committed with the aim of:
    • - seriously intimidating a population, or
    • - unduly compelling a Government or international organization to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
    • - seriously destabilizing or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organization,
  • To disestablish the means by which HAMAS , over a period of time and acting in concert with other associated terrorist activities operating within or sporting Gaza, will employ to commit terrorist offenses.
  • To restrain the Inciting, aiding or abetting, and attempting:
    • Organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities intended to be committed against Israel or other States or their citizens.
    • The establishment of criminal safe haven and facilitates, obstruct participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.
(COMMENT)

The Blockade and Security Containment is illegal if were imposed with the intention to starve the Gazan population or if its effects on the civilian population are in excess of that which is necessary to achieved military advantage, goals and objectives. Since the Blockade and Security Containment allows such Humanitarian Assistance to Gaza, obviously, that is not the advantage, goals and objectives to "collectively punish" the Gazan Population even though it is a population in support of state terrorism.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
No, it is legal in international law.
Collective punishment is illegal.

"Israel's current blockade of Gaza has been criticized by the International Committee of the Red Cross, in a United Nations report, and by various other organisations as collective punishment aimed at the Palestinians.[43][44][45] The Israeli practice ofdemolishing the houses of Palestinians who are detained, suspected or convicted for crimes against them has also been alleged to be a form of collective punishment, as their family will be punished for their acts, if any, by losing their homes, in violation of international law.[4

Collective punishment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
georgephillip, Sweet_Caroline, et al,

Our friend "Sweet_Caroline" is correct. The blockade is not "illegal." In fact, it is not a form of "punishment" at all. It is a counter-terrorism measure.

The idea behind collective punishment is rooted in International Humanitarian Law (IHL); which "is the body of rules applicable when armed violence reaches the level of armed conflict, and is confined only to armed conflict, whether international or non-international. The relevant treaties are, of course, the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their two Additional Protocols of 1977, although IHL encompasses a range of other legally binding instruments and customary law as well. While IHL does not provide a definition of terrorism, it explicitly prohibits most acts committed against civilians and civilian objects in armed conflict that would commonly be considered ‘‘terrorist’’ if committed in peacetime.

It is a basic principle of IHL that persons engaged in armed conflict must at all times distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives. The principle of distinction is a cornerstone of IHL." (International Humanitarian Law and the Challenges of Contemporary Armed Conflicts)



(OBSERVATION)

The are several goals and objectives to the blockade (Sea approach) and the containment security barriers (Landward approach) relative to the protection of Israeli sovereign integrity and its citizenry.

The "blockade and security containment" by Israel has no intention to severely deprive Gazans of fundamental rights contrary to international law by reason of the identity of the Palestinian as a group or collective. HAMAS (and the associated terrorist activities operating within or sporting Gaza) are not being singled-out by Israel purely as identifiable groups or collectives on basis of political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender, in connection with any act referred to as terrorism. This is not a form of "collective punishment" but a partial set of countermeasure:
  • To strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defense systems, money laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials.
  • To take the necessary measures to ensure that the intentional acts referred to below in points (a) to (i), as defined as offenses under national law, which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organization where committed with the aim of:
    • - seriously intimidating a population, or
    • - unduly compelling a Government or international organization to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
    • - seriously destabilizing or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organization,
  • To disestablish the means by which HAMAS , over a period of time and acting in concert with other associated terrorist activities operating within or sporting Gaza, will employ to commit terrorist offenses.
  • To restrain the Inciting, aiding or abetting, and attempting:
    • Organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities intended to be committed against Israel or other States or their citizens.
    • The establishment of criminal safe haven and facilitates, obstruct participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.
(COMMENT)

The Blockade and Security Containment is illegal if were imposed with the intention to starve the Gazan population or if its effects on the civilian population are in excess of that which is necessary to achieved military advantage, goals and objectives. Since the Blockade and Security Containment allows such Humanitarian Assistance to Gaza, obviously, that is not the advantage, goals and objectives to "collectively punish" the Gazan Population even though it is a population in support of state terrorism.

Most Respectfully,
R
Rocco...why would Israel deny Gaza the right to export if not as collective punishment?
 
Launching rockets is a collective punishment, the partially blockade is the cure for the rockets.
The rockets are a form of resistance against Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine. Perhaps it's time some Jews realized their colonization of Palestine has come to its natural end?
 
The rockets are a form of resistance against Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine. Perhaps it's time some Jews realized their colonization of Palestine has come to its natural end?
So basically you advocate a violent respond over non violent issue?
Perhaps its time for you to tell us a little about you, are you an Arab or Muslim?
 
georgephillip, Sweet_Caroline, et al,

Our friend "Sweet_Caroline" is correct. The blockade is not "illegal." In fact, it is not a form of "punishment" at all. It is a counter-terrorism measure.

The idea behind collective punishment is rooted in International Humanitarian Law (IHL); which "is the body of rules applicable when armed violence reaches the level of armed conflict, and is confined only to armed conflict, whether international or non-international. The relevant treaties are, of course, the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their two Additional Protocols of 1977, although IHL encompasses a range of other legally binding instruments and customary law as well. While IHL does not provide a definition of terrorism, it explicitly prohibits most acts committed against civilians and civilian objects in armed conflict that would commonly be considered ‘‘terrorist’’ if committed in peacetime.

It is a basic principle of IHL that persons engaged in armed conflict must at all times distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives. The principle of distinction is a cornerstone of IHL." (International Humanitarian Law and the Challenges of Contemporary Armed Conflicts)



(OBSERVATION)

The are several goals and objectives to the blockade (Sea approach) and the containment security barriers (Landward approach) relative to the protection of Israeli sovereign integrity and its citizenry.

The "blockade and security containment" by Israel has no intention to severely deprive Gazans of fundamental rights contrary to international law by reason of the identity of the Palestinian as a group or collective. HAMAS (and the associated terrorist activities operating within or sporting Gaza) are not being singled-out by Israel purely as identifiable groups or collectives on basis of political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender, in connection with any act referred to as terrorism. This is not a form of "collective punishment" but a partial set of countermeasure:
  • To strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defense systems, money laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials.
  • To take the necessary measures to ensure that the intentional acts referred to below in points (a) to (i), as defined as offenses under national law, which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organization where committed with the aim of:
    • - seriously intimidating a population, or
    • - unduly compelling a Government or international organization to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
    • - seriously destabilizing or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organization,
  • To disestablish the means by which HAMAS , over a period of time and acting in concert with other associated terrorist activities operating within or sporting Gaza, will employ to commit terrorist offenses.
  • To restrain the Inciting, aiding or abetting, and attempting:
    • Organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities intended to be committed against Israel or other States or their citizens.
    • The establishment of criminal safe haven and facilitates, obstruct participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.
(COMMENT)

The Blockade and Security Containment is illegal if were imposed with the intention to starve the Gazan population or if its effects on the civilian population are in excess of that which is necessary to achieved military advantage, goals and objectives. Since the Blockade and Security Containment allows such Humanitarian Assistance to Gaza, obviously, that is not the advantage, goals and objectives to "collectively punish" the Gazan Population even though it is a population in support of state terrorism.

Most Respectfully,
R

so simple, no weapons, no blockade.
 
So basically you advocate a violent respond over non violent issue?
Perhaps its time for you to tell us a little about you, are you an Arab or Muslim?
I'm Neither Arab nor Muslim.
Where did you get the idea your occupation of Palestine was a non-violent issue?
 
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georgephillip, et al,

Yes, it's the matter in which it is stated that leads one to the false conclusion.
  • A fallacy occurring when the number of alternatives is said to be fewer than the actual number.
Rocco...why would Israel deny Gaza the right to export if not as collective punishment?
(COMMENT)

This may have some security implications, but I think there is more to the export/transit controls out of Gaza and into Israel and the West Bank, then meets the eye. There are certainly trade balance considerations on the commerce side of the equation. I don't believe it has some much to do with punishing Gaza, as it has with other aspects in Israel and the West Bank on the economics.

There is a interesting National Public Radio interview that might shake some cobwebs. It may give you a new direction in which to think.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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The blockade is not illegal. Once there was no blockade and there was still terrorism coming from Gaza.

So why should Israel give Hamas any prizes?

Why can't Hamas respect the ceasefire it asked for?

I have been reading the reports of the negotiations. they are;

No progress
No progress
No progress
No progress
No progress
No progress
No progress
No progress

Who is actually contributing to bringing a truce. It seems nobody is interested.
 
georgephillip, et al,

Yes, it's the matter in which it is stated that leads one to the false conclusion.
  • A fallacy occurring when the number of alternatives is said to be fewer than the actual number.

(COMMENT)

This may have some security implications, but I think there is more to the export/transit controls out of Gaza and into Israel and the West Bank, then meets the eye. There are certainly trade balance considerations on the commerce side of the equation. I don't believe it has some much to do with punishing Gaza, as it has with other aspects in Israel and the West Bank on the economics.

There is a interesting National Public Radio interview that might shake some cobwebs. It may give you a new direction in which to think.

Most Respectfully,
R
"From June 2007 until June 2010, only 255 truckloads of strawberries and flowers left Gaza for Europe, compared to dozens of trucks that left Gaza per-day in the first six months of 2007, and 400 trucks that Israel agreed to let out daily in the Agreement on Movement and Access (AMA).

"In December 2010, Israel declared it would allow more export from Gaza through the Kerem Shalom Crossing.

"From the end of November 2010 to the end of April 2011, 287 truckloads of strawberries and flowers left Gaza for Europe, in addition to a minimal quantity of red peppers and cherry tomatoes – in other words, 0.5% of the amount of trucks promised in the AMA.

"Israel does not allow residents of Gaza to export goods to markets in Israel, the West Bank or Jordan.

"From May 12, 2011, to October 27, Israel didn’t allow any truck carrying goods to exit the Gaza Strip.

If I didn't know better, I would think it's all part of the Zionist plan for Jews to control all the land between the River and the sea.

It won't work, Rocco, the world is waking to how Israel was born in 1948.

Export from Gaza | Gisha
 

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