Guns and Mass Murder ~ Time for Action

[2aguy]

More blood on the hands of the NRA & every ******* gun nut that posts here.

Donald Trump: WHEN IS THE TIME!

WHEN IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT GUNS!

A gun nut as you called him caught that asshole!

Was he? I don't call all gun owners, gun nuts.

I own guns. If I was next door, I could have grabbed by deer rifle & took the guy out at 500 yards.

A gun nut is one what has their head up the NRA's ass, has to tote a gun everywhere they go, & thinks we can't do things like ban assault type rifles.

Miltiary rifles are already banned dumb shit.......civilian rifles are now what you want to ban...and then you will move on to pistols...because the Virginia Tech shooter used pistols to murder 32 people....so those will be on your list next....

 

[2aguy]

More blood on the hands of the NRA & every ******* gun nut that posts here.

Donald Trump: WHEN IS THE TIME!

WHEN IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT GUNS!

A gun nut as you called him caught that asshole!

How ******* wonderful. After he had killed 27 and wounded 20 more. Hurrah. I bet that makes everyone in Sutherlin Springs feel so ******* good. Damn, you assholes sure have a sense of what is good and bad.

No....morons like you created another gun free killing zone where the victims were unarmed in the face of the killer...that is on you.......notice that the shooter was stopped with an AR-15, a rifle you want banned.....when the police failed to show up in time.....and they still didn't show up until after the civilian with the AR-15 had shot and chased the moron down....then they got there...

That is on you...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nah, make them illegal, and put out a $1000 reward on those who have them. The stupid guys above would be in jail in three hours of obtaining an illegal weapon, because they would not be able to keep their stupid mouths shut.

Hey...moron...this guy could not legally own the gun he used.....and he had it for about a year before the shooting.......moron.

Comrade Moron2aguy. If owning the gun was illegal, and he had it, then those who knew he had it are at fault.

Put out a $1000 reward per illegal gun owner turned in.

We have people in Utah and Nevada that could make a solid living turning in the creeps.

I have no problem with that...that would make sense.....then, any felon caught with an illegal gun should go to prison for 30 years....do both of those things and you cut down on all gun crime.

You finally made some sense.

You are mistaking me for you.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[2aguy]

Assault type weapons have one purpose

What is an 'assault-type weapon'? How do you distinguish it from a non-assault-type weapon? Color? Shape?

Not this stupid argument again. They were banned at one time, There was/is a definition.

Are you people sofa king ignorant. People are dying & you dickhead of talking semantics.

You know damn well what is being disaussed

And the ban did nothing to stop crime or mass shootings...moron...

 

[RealDave]

Governor Abbott's prayers and mine have not worked.

NRA = Never Really Apologetic, Never Really Accountable.

2nd commandment > 2nd amendment.

This can't go on. I own weapons, I am CCW, and I am not the problem.

The problem is that crazy people and those who can't get on airlines because of lists can own weapons.

This guy was shot by a civilian AFTER he fled the church, so more guns in the hands of civilians is not the answer.

This has to be addressed, and Wild West Approach ain't working.

Boy...the stupid is strong with you today....

This guy could go on airlines...so right there your post is stupid.....

Did anyone in the church have a gun dip shit...? And the guy who shot him stopped him from shooting even more people...you can't get past that.....moron...l

And...how long did it take the police to arrive on the scene?

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders and even mass public shootings......

Nothing you can suggest would have stopped this guy...

Are members of law enforcement included?

 

[2aguy]

Assault type weapons have one purpose

What is an 'assault-type weapon'? How do you distinguish it from a non-assault-type weapon? Color? Shape?

Not this stupid argument again. They were banned at one time, There was/is a definition.

Are you people sofa king ignorant. People are dying & you dickhead of talking semantics.

You know damn well what is being disaussed

Moron...the Virginia Tech shooter murdered 32 people with pistols....you will come for those next....

 

[2aguy]

Governor Abbott's prayers and mine have not worked.

NRA = Never Really Apologetic, Never Really Accountable.

2nd commandment > 2nd amendment.

This can't go on. I own weapons, I am CCW, and I am not the problem.

The problem is that crazy people and those who can't get on airlines because of lists can own weapons.

This guy was shot by a civilian AFTER he fled the church, so more guns in the hands of civilians is not the answer.

This has to be addressed, and Wild West Approach ain't working.

Boy...the stupid is strong with you today....

This guy could go on airlines...so right there your post is stupid.....

Did anyone in the church have a gun dip shit...? And the guy who shot him stopped him from shooting even more people...you can't get past that.....moron...l

And...how long did it take the police to arrive on the scene?

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders and even mass public shootings......

Nothing you can suggest would have stopped this guy...

Are members of law enforcement included?

No...those are only civilian gun uses.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Dragonlady]

Every person in that church should have been armed.

Oh the irony. Going to Church to study the teachings of the Prince of Peace, with a loaded gun in your purse. The guy who answered the question “How many times do I forgive a man who has wronged me” by saying “70 X 7”.

If you can’t see how wrong that is then there’s no hope for you.

 

[2aguy]

More blood on the hands of the NRA & every ******* gun nut that posts here.

Donald Trump: WHEN IS THE TIME!

WHEN IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT GUNS!

A gun nut as you called him caught that asshole!

How ******* wonderful. After he had killed 27 and wounded 20 more. Hurrah. I bet that makes everyone in Sutherlin Springs feel so ******* good. Damn, you assholes sure have a sense of what is good and bad.

And all you would have done is tell the killer it is against the law and then been killed.

Most of you are cowards!

I get it. We are cowards becauyse we know can defend ourselves without toting AR15 rifles everywhere.

I have news, you toting does not make you a tough guy. It makes you a danger to all who are near you.

You mean except for the civilian with the AR-15 who stopped the shooter...when the police were nowhere around to stop the shooter...you mean except for that guy...right?

 

[2aguy]

Every person in that church should have been armed.

Oh the irony. Going to Church to study the teachings of the Prince of Peace, with a loaded gun in your purse. The guy who answered the question “How many times do I forgive a man who has wronged me” by saying “70 X 7”.

If you can’t see how wrong that is then there’s no hope for you.

Yeah...explain how wrong it was to carry a gun to church to the 26 people who didn't have a gun when the atheist came in to murder them....moron.

 

[2aguy]

Assault type weapons have one purpose

What is an 'assault-type weapon'? How do you distinguish it from a non-assault-type weapon? Color? Shape?

Not this stupid argument again. They were banned at one time, There was/is a definition.

Are you people sofa king ignorant. People are dying & you dickhead of talking semantics.

You know damn well what is being disaussed

Assault is not a weapon idiot! Assault is an action.

Now we had one of you gun nuts post a video of someone firing a standard AR 15 like a machine gun without the use of a bump stock. So, they are machine guns. And should be regulated as such. They are assault weapons, don't play semantics with me, asshole.

Nope.....a millitary rifle has select fire capability...civilian rifles don't.....and they cant be fired automatically...moron.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And Americans who use their guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....and oh yeah, mass public shootings......would disagree with you...those guns saved their lives..and saved more lives than are taken each year by criminals who can't legally have guns....

Those are cops who overwhelmingly do that.

Make 2aguy post his source, then check it. You will see what I mean.

I bet it will be guncite

Yeah, I know.

 

[skookerasbil]

Wisest thing the president has said since he was elected..............

"Fortunately … somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction,"

Trump says Texas church shooting caused by 'mental health problem' not guns

 

[2aguy]

It is against the law to murder, so how many more laws do you need?

How about one that keeps extra powerful killing machines out of their hands.

Sure, so let not allow renting of Trucks because from Tim McVeigh to the guy in New York too many have died from rental trucks!

I know the gun goes bang bang so you want all of them banned and when that does not stop terrorists and mass murderers, well then you can blame something else and ban it.

All the laws in the world will not stop monsters from killing and again murder is against the law!

Trucks have other valid users you stupid shit.

This is absolutely the dumbest argument ever made.

Assault type weapons have one purpose, mass killing.

Then do not own one but who the **** are you to tell me what I van or can bot own when it come to firearms?

The stupid ***** are the ones that believe laws matter to the criminal and believe banning all firearms will stoo mass killings!

So tell me genius if a gun is on the table how many people can it kill own it own without a human operator behind it?

Once yoy honestly answer that theb deal with the ******* human fqctoo thqt cause all the violence or don't and blame the weapin instead like the retard you are!

Also you lack the votes in the House and Senate and do not control the White House and until you get all that along with the majority of States, well guess what there is nothing you can do!

Finally, it is the criminal element and those like you that cause thr problem. All the damn laws in the Universe will not prevent criminals from killing but it will stop law abiding citizens from defending themselves which is what you want!

Hey cocksuck, why do you have to have a war weapon to defend yourself? Are you so inept that you cannot do it with a Model 70, for instance, 30.06? If you are, you should not have a gun, period. Almost on a weekly basis we are seeing mass murder in our nation now, and the weapon of choice is almost always these war weapons that were designed specifically to kill many people rapidly. And they do.

Yes, we do have the right to tell you that you cannot own a specific class of weapon without being vetted for public safety. The Supreme Court established that when they requred a special license to own weapons like the full auto .45 Thompson.

moron...this is a weapon of war...

moron...

 

[RealDave]

Assault type weapons have one purpose

What is an 'assault-type weapon'? How do you distinguish it from a non-assault-type weapon? Color? Shape?

Not this stupid argument again. They were banned at one time, There was/is a definition.

Are you people sofa king ignorant. People are dying & you dickhead of talking semantics.

You know damn well what is being disaussed

And the ban did nothing to stop crime or mass shootings...moron...

How many mass killings were there in the ten years of the ban & the ten years after the ban?

 

[2aguy]

It is against the law to murder, so how many more laws do you need?

How about one that keeps extra powerful killing machines out of their hands.

Sure, so let not allow renting of Trucks because from Tim McVeigh to the guy in New York too many have died from rental trucks!

I know the gun goes bang bang so you want all of them banned and when that does not stop terrorists and mass murderers, well then you can blame something else and ban it.

All the laws in the world will not stop monsters from killing and again murder is against the law!

Trucks have other valid users you stupid shit.

This is absolutely the dumbest argument ever made.

Assault type weapons have one purpose, mass killing.

Then do not own one but who the **** are you to tell me what I van or can bot own when it come to firearms?

The stupid ***** are the ones that believe laws matter to the criminal and believe banning all firearms will stoo mass killings!

So tell me genius if a gun is on the table how many people can it kill own it own without a human operator behind it?

Once yoy honestly answer that theb deal with the ******* human fqctoo thqt cause all the violence or don't and blame the weapin instead like the retard you are!

Also you lack the votes in the House and Senate and do not control the White House and until you get all that along with the majority of States, well guess what there is nothing you can do!

Finally, it is the criminal element and those like you that cause thr problem. All the damn laws in the Universe will not prevent criminals from killing but it will stop law abiding citizens from defending themselves which is what you want!

Hey cocksuck, why do you have to have a war weapon to defend yourself? Are you so inept that you cannot do it with a Model 70, for instance, 30.06? If you are, you should not have a gun, period. Almost on a weekly basis we are seeing mass murder in our nation now, and the weapon of choice is almost always these war weapons that were designed specifically to kill many people rapidly. And they do.

Yes, we do have the right to tell you that you cannot own a specific class of weapon without being vetted for public safety. The Supreme Court established that when they requred a special license to own weapons like the full auto .45 Thompson.

Hey...dumb shit...the AR-15 was never used in war......moron.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, guncite.

 

[2aguy]

And Americans who use their guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....and oh yeah, mass public shootings......would disagree with you...those guns saved their lives..and saved more lives than are taken each year by criminals who can't legally have guns....

Those are cops who overwhelmingly do that.

Make 2aguy post his source, then check it. You will see what I mean.

I bet it will be guncite

Yeah, I know.

Wrong...those are civilians...no cops or military........and the studies are not done by guncite moron.....look them up...

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

Assault type weapons have one purpose

What is an 'assault-type weapon'? How do you distinguish it from a non-assault-type weapon? Color? Shape?

Not this stupid argument again. They were banned at one time, There was/is a definition.

Are you people sofa king ignorant. People are dying & you dickhead of talking semantics.

You know damn well what is being disaussed

And the ban did nothing to stop crime or mass shootings...moron...

How many mass killings were there in the ten years of the ban & the ten years after the ban?

Here...look at the numbers...from Mother Jones...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

 

[2aguy]

Damn, well join the ranks of ******* liar, fellow. First, any gun that you can fire 30 or more shots with in under 10 seconds is an assault rifle. And with the bump stocks, of which their are plenty in civilian hands. they are full machine guns. Don't play semantics with me. 85 dead in just over a month. 500 wounded. Aren't you proud of your semantics?

If there are plenty of bump stocks in civilian hands...they sure aren't used for crime or mass shootings...except for 1.

And again.....there are no military rifles in civilian hands after the 1986 ban.......AR-15s are civilian rifles...also used by police...