JakeStarkey
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don't confuse 2aguy, cnm, you will make his brain hurt
Gunman kills self after deadly shooting in Australia
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Ffs sake. If those laws are not there no one can break them nor be punished for breaking them.
The trouble is the US has such a large firearm manufacturing industry that politicians can easily be swayed by its power. Most countries with low gun homicide rates effectively ban handguns. This cannot be countenanced by firearms manufacturers in the US, therefore the politicians they buy will not countenance such a measure.
Please. This is no place for facts or objectivity.
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Your dementia worsens. I never said the 2nd Amendment would, or should, go anywhere. I myself own a gun and have no intention of giving it up.
I am highlighting how fucking retarded it is to point to a country with a grand total of 69 homicides by firearms over a three year period and say banning guns has failed them because some people were killed by guns.
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Wrong...
You guys want to license gun owners.....
Felons cannot own or carry a gun therefore they can't get a license.....they can already be arrested if they are found in possession of a gun under existing laws.
Therefore licensing gun owners only targets non criminal gun owners.
You guys want to register all guns....
Under the Haynes v. United States felons are not required to register illegally owned guns...therefore the law only applies to non criminal gun owners.
See....your laws are only meant for law abiding gun owners.
The gun free zone law....
Criminals and mass shooters ignore this law....mass shooters ignore it when they bring guns into gun free zones to murder unarmed people.
So, the gun free zone laws only apply to law abiding citizens.
2aguy
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Actually, it is only 8,124 gun murders...the only ones that actually apply to this discussion.....
And again....it isn't the number but the reason Australian criminals...who get guns just like American criminals do......why do American thugs pull the trigger and commit murder more.
As was shown...we have 357,000,000 guns in this country...less than 8,124 were used to commit murder...
if gun access was what caused gun murder then you would have to have well over half the guns in the country used for murder......
8,124 out of 357,000,000 is nothing.....and of the 8,124 gun murders, the majority of them are violent criminals murdering other criminals...
And they kill each other in tiny areas of our major cities which are controlled by democrats.
The rest of the gun owning country is safe by the same standard as Europe and Australia.....
Australian criminals simply don't commit murder...
But that is changing......
2aguy
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Not because of their gun control laws......they had less mass shootings before they confiscated their guns......they have less mass shootings now because no one in Australia has decided to do it...other than the Monash University mass shooting....you forgot that one....and there was another one as well.....
And I listed all of the other shootings that could have been mass public shootings if the shooter decided to kill more people....gun control didn't prevent them from being mass shootings....the shooter did. That is luck...not gun control.
2aguy
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They have the same level of gun ownership now that they had before the confiscation.......so access to guns isn't the problem here or there.....
We have more Americans who now own and carry guns.....and our violent crime rate went down, not up...how do you explain that? It has gone down as more Americans carry guns for self defense...how do you explain that?
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And of course here is some research to show you guys are wrong...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
Abstract:
The 1996-97 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) in Australia introduced strict gun laws, primarily as a reaction to the mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania in 1996, where 35 people were killed. Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA.
The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
2aguy
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Please...explain to us how these shootings that could very easily have been mass public shootings, weren't mass public shootings because of Australian gun control laws.....can you do that?
Tell me.....how is anything other than luck that kept these from being mass shootings...since the shooter obviously was able to get a gun and shoot people in gun free Australia...right?
Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]
- 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
- 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
- 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
- 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
- 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
- 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
- 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
- 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
- 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
- 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]
- 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed
- 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
- 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.
- 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
- 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.
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Tell us how this hostage situation was kept from being a mass public shooting because of Australian gun laws...
- 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
Had he simply decided to start shooting them, this would have been a mass public shooting...and not one Australian gun law would have prevented it.....
2aguy
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wrong....
Gun licensing....felons cannot own or carry a gun according to current gun laws.
They cannot get a license.....
Therefore requiring people to get a license has nothing to do with felons...who can't own or carry guns already.
Registering guns....from the Supreme Court Decision: Haynes v. United States....criminals do not have to register their illegal guns because it would violate their right against self incrimination...
Therefore only law abiding gun owners would have to register their guns....
Normal....law abiding people do not need to register guns or license them because they have committed no crime.
criminals can't get a license...and they don't have to register their guns...
See how dumb you are.....?
Universal Background checks....it is already against the law for a criminal to own or carry a gun or to buy a gun. They get around that law by simply getting someone with a clean record to buy the gun for them.
Therefore, universal background checks do nothing to stop criminals from getting a gun...and since just possessing a gun is an illegal act for a criminal....adding the crime of not getting a background check is redundant......
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