Gun threats at home

[Jeddahite]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

 

[EverCurious]

Ah yes, I've brought up this issue.

If "gun control" is a necessity to prevent 10-15 wacko's from shooting up a school, then why is properly vetting refugees for possible terrorists, while being told by ISIS that they've sent out at least 4,000 terrorists posing as refugees, "wrong"?

 

[Pogo]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Good point for perspective. Welcome to USMB.

I lived in Paris for a while and have many thoughts on our gun violence problem; hope to see you around.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Jeddahite....there are approximately "250 MILLION" firearms owned by approximately "75 MILLION" private citizens. Millions upon millions of these individuals (myself included) take their ownership seriously and are not a threat to anyone.
I own firearms and keep them locked in a safe when not taking them to a firing range. My one exception is, as a citizen with a concealed weapons permit, one is carried on my person. In the many years I have carried it, it only comes out of the holster at the range. Except for its use at the range, it will not be used except to save a life....ever.
We who own our weapons responsibly take that ownership seriously. We and our firearms are no threat to you and never will be. Those who kill with firearms fall into the following categories:
1. Criminal element (gangs, murderers, robbers, drug dealers, thieves).
2. Mentally disturbed.
3. Irate and disgruntled individuals who in a heat of anger lash out.
Individuals have often killed with sharp instruments (knives, axes, et cetera), blunt instruments (hammers, bats, wrenches, tire-irons, et cetera), and incendiary devices (gasoline, et cetera).
If you want something done about the killings, push for disclosure to authorities by physicians, psychologists, psychiatrists, and other health care professionals of any patients that may be considered dangerous.
I would also recommend strong anti-gang laws. Chicago is seeing a spike in killings, but the majority of these are gang related. Gang members and other criminals get guns illegally via theft and also via being smuggled in to the country.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Americans are gun-loving xenophobic pussies, at least the little assholes here sure are.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Let me ask you something

How do you go about vetting someone who shows up with no paperwork, no ID, and you have no access to the records of his country of origin?

 

[midcan5]

Americans who are afraid of Syrian refugees have options, hide under your bed, move to Alaska or the mountains of western America. Take Ted Cruz with you, a Canadian who sponges off America and all he does is talk talk and more talk. Does nothing substantive. Weird how republicans repeat history, Joe McCarthy is smiling. 'We're all gonna die.....'

Top 10 Reasons Governors are Wrong to Exclude Syrian Refugees
Mindless terrorists? The truth about Isis is much worse | Scott Atran

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[bucs90]

Yes we have problems here. Why invite more?

It's like having the flu....and saying "Dont send Ebola to me!!" Liberals be like "Why not?....you already have the flu"

 

[DigitalDrifter]

You can ban all future firearm purchases, but good luck collecting the over 300 million firearms already in the hands of private citizens in the U.S.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Americans who are afraid of Syrian refugees have options, hide under your bed, move to Alaska or the mountains of western America. Take Ted Cruz with you, a Canadian who sponges off America and all he does is talk talk and more talk. Does nothing substantive. Weird how republicans repeat history, Joe McCarthy is smiling. 'We're all gonna die.....'

Top 10 Reasons Governors are Wrong to Exclude Syrian Refugees
Mindless terrorists? The truth about Isis is much worse | Scott Atran

I Feel Sorry For Democrats | Page 22 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Keep it up pal.

Liberals Should Knock Off the Mockery Over Calls to Limit Syrian Refugees

Over the past 24 hours, almost half of the nation's governors — all but one of them Republicans — have said they plan to refuse to allow Syrian immigrants into their states in the wake of the Paris attacks carried out by the Islamic State....That stance has been greeted with widespread ridicule and disgust by Democrats who insist that keeping people out of the U.S. is anathema to the founding principles of the country.

....Think what you will, but one thing is clear: The political upside for Republican politicians pushing an immigration ban on Syrians and/or Muslims as a broader response to the threat posed by the Islamic State sure looks like a political winner.

Liberals should knock off the mockery over calls to limit Syrian refugees

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You can ban all future firearm purchases, but good luck collecting the over 300 million firearms already in the hands of private citizens in the U.S.

Few things worth doing are easy...

 

[Jeddahite]

Jeddahite....there are approximately "250 MILLION" firearms owned by approximately "75 MILLION" private citizens. Millions upon millions of these individuals (myself included) take their ownership seriously and are not a threat to anyone.
I own firearms and keep them locked in a safe when not taking them to a firing range. My one exception is, as a citizen with a concealed weapons permit, one is carried on my person. In the many years I have carried it, it only comes out of the holster at the range. Except for its use at the range, it will not be used except to save a life....ever.
We who own our weapons responsibly take that ownership seriously. We and our firearms are no threat to you and never will be. Those who kill with firearms fall into the following categories:
1. Criminal element (gangs, murderers, robbers, drug dealers, thieves).
2. Mentally disturbed.
3. Irate and disgruntled individuals who in a heat of anger lash out.
Individuals have often killed with sharp instruments (knives, axes, et cetera), blunt instruments (hammers, bats, wrenches, tire-irons, et cetera), and incendiary devices (gasoline, et cetera).
If you want something done about the killings, push for disclosure to authorities by physicians, psychologists, psychiatrists, and other health care professionals of any patients that may be considered dangerous.
I would also recommend strong anti-gang laws. Chicago is seeing a spike in killings, but the majority of these are gang related. Gang members and other criminals get guns illegally via theft and also via being smuggled in to the country.

Somehow those criminals, mentally ill and irate and disgruntled people are doing a lot of killing. What's wrong with background checks?

 

[2aguy]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

actually, not all the time…most of the gun murders in this country are by criminals and most of the victims are other criminals….and no, not anyone can buy one….criminals can always get them…just like in France, but not anyone can just buy one.

Please…you should do some research rather than just reacting to hyped up news reports……read the debates on gun control here..that would be a good starting place...

 

[Jeddahite]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Let me ask you something

How do you go about vetting someone who shows up with no paperwork, no ID, and you have no access to the records of his country of origin?

It's a two-year process. Why don't you ask the Homeland Security people and the FBI how they do it?

 

[2aguy]

Jeddahite....there are approximately "250 MILLION" firearms owned by approximately "75 MILLION" private citizens. Millions upon millions of these individuals (myself included) take their ownership seriously and are not a threat to anyone.
I own firearms and keep them locked in a safe when not taking them to a firing range. My one exception is, as a citizen with a concealed weapons permit, one is carried on my person. In the many years I have carried it, it only comes out of the holster at the range. Except for its use at the range, it will not be used except to save a life....ever.
We who own our weapons responsibly take that ownership seriously. We and our firearms are no threat to you and never will be. Those who kill with firearms fall into the following categories:
1. Criminal element (gangs, murderers, robbers, drug dealers, thieves).
2. Mentally disturbed.
3. Irate and disgruntled individuals who in a heat of anger lash out.
Individuals have often killed with sharp instruments (knives, axes, et cetera), blunt instruments (hammers, bats, wrenches, tire-irons, et cetera), and incendiary devices (gasoline, et cetera).
If you want something done about the killings, push for disclosure to authorities by physicians, psychologists, psychiatrists, and other health care professionals of any patients that may be considered dangerous.
I would also recommend strong anti-gang laws. Chicago is seeing a spike in killings, but the majority of these are gang related. Gang members and other criminals get guns illegally via theft and also via being smuggled in to the country.

Somehow those criminals, mentally ill and irate and disgruntled people are doing a lot of killing. What's wrong with background checks?

Background checks only work for those people who volunteer to under go them….criminals and terrorists don't do background checks…..France doesn't need background checks because all the guns the terrorists used were illegal to begin with and the terrorists could not pass background checks anyway….

Background checks are bypassed by stealing guns or by getting people with a clean record to by the gun for you if you can't pass it yourself….so they are useless at stopping or preventing crime or mass shootings.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Let me ask you something

How do you go about vetting someone who shows up with no paperwork, no ID, and you have no access to the records of his country of origin?

It's a two-year process. Why don't you ask the Homeland Security people and the FBI how they do it?

if you know why don't you post the details or just answer the ******* question

 

[Jeddahite]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Let me ask you something

How do you go about vetting someone who shows up with no paperwork, no ID, and you have no access to the records of his country of origin?

it's a two-year process. Why don't you ask the Homeland Security people and the FBI how they do it?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Let me ask you something

How do you go about vetting someone who shows up with no paperwork, no ID, and you have no access to the records of his country of origin?

It's a two-year process. Why don't you ask the Homeland Security people and the FBI how they do it?

are you naive enough to think those 10000 people have been waiting 2 years to get in here and that the FBI has spent those 2 years investigating every one of them?

 

[Jeddahite]

Jeddahite....there are approximately "250 MILLION" firearms owned by approximately "75 MILLION" private citizens. Millions upon millions of these individuals (myself included) take their ownership seriously and are not a threat to anyone.
I own firearms and keep them locked in a safe when not taking them to a firing range. My one exception is, as a citizen with a concealed weapons permit, one is carried on my person. In the many years I have carried it, it only comes out of the holster at the range. Except for its use at the range, it will not be used except to save a life....ever.
We who own our weapons responsibly take that ownership seriously. We and our firearms are no threat to you and never will be. Those who kill with firearms fall into the following categories:
1. Criminal element (gangs, murderers, robbers, drug dealers, thieves).
2. Mentally disturbed.
3. Irate and disgruntled individuals who in a heat of anger lash out.
Individuals have often killed with sharp instruments (knives, axes, et cetera), blunt instruments (hammers, bats, wrenches, tire-irons, et cetera), and incendiary devices (gasoline, et cetera).
If you want something done about the killings, push for disclosure to authorities by physicians, psychologists, psychiatrists, and other health care professionals of any patients that may be considered dangerous.
I would also recommend strong anti-gang laws. Chicago is seeing a spike in killings, but the majority of these are gang related. Gang members and other criminals get guns illegally via theft and also via being smuggled in to the country.

Somehow those criminals, mentally ill and irate and disgruntled people are doing a lot of killing. What's wrong with background checks?

Background checks only work for those people who volunteer to under go them….criminals and terrorists don't do background checks…..France doesn't need background checks because all the guns the terrorists used were illegal to begin with and the terrorists could not pass background checks anyway….

Background checks are bypassed by stealing guns or by getting people with a clean record to by the gun for you if you can't pass it yourself….so they are useless at stopping or preventing crime or mass shootings.

Let's not have any checks at all, or helmets because motorcyclists still get killed, or vaccinations because people still get sick and die. Right.

 

[Jeddahite]

Why are we so worried that terrorists will manage to reach the US and pass through the vetting system when we have gun massacres committed by US citizens every day. How many foreign terrorists have killed on US soil since 9/11? And yet we have massacres in school and churches and theaters all the time. We react and huff and puff but we do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of guns available. Anyone can buy one. Go to a gun show and there's no checking or waiting. We snarl and gnash our teeth about what's happening in Paris, a city I love and have visited many times, but we lose the same number of people here in a month or less.

Let me ask you something

How do you go about vetting someone who shows up with no paperwork, no ID, and you have no access to the records of his country of origin?

It's a two-year process. Why don't you ask the Homeland Security people and the FBI how they do it?

are you naive enough to think those 10000 people have been waiting 2 years to get in here and that the FBI has spent those 2 years investigating every one of them?

How many Syrians have arrived here recently? It is a two year process. Check it out instead of exercising your right knee.