Gun murder is up in democrat party cities, but gun crime in general is down....... More guns, less gun crime....

[Abatis]

The types of guns gun nuts have is simple, they like guns. It's the only reason, but they prattle on about self defence of themselves and their family. And they believe increasing guns reduces the stats. You can't fix stoopid with that.

"Stoopid" is some some Euro-Weenie statist authoritarian feeling a US citizen owes them an explanation or justification for exercising our right to arms.

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[M14 Shooter]

That's all the gun nuts have, the Constitution, they have no rational debate for the plethora of gun types, sizes etc..

Unsupportable nonsense.
There are innumerable legals uses for a firearm - and thus, innumberable purposes for same.
The effective pursuit of these purposes, by their inherent nature, requires a wide range of firearms and calibers.

Try to restrict the size, type, reloading of some guns, the fucking retarded copy and paste mouth frothing starts.

Now that you have insulted someone and, inexplicably, feel better about yourself....
The constitution protects the right to own and use all bearable arms -- as such, there no rational reason to allow unecessary and ineffective restrictions on -any- of them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The types of guns gun nuts have is simple, they like guns. It's the only reason,

It does not matter how many times you repeat your unsupportable nonsense - you're still wrong.

 

[Captain Caveman]

It does not matter how many times you repeat your unsupportable nonsense - you're still wrong.

I'm sitting back leaving you guys to it. As the days pass, each gun nut just has to come back to get another word in. When I see these names in my alerts, I chuckle, then tag the alert as read. I'll catch up one day, but it's fun watching you seething.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'm sitting back leaving you guys to it.

Fact remains:
It does not matter how many times you repeat your unsupportable nonsense - you're still wrong.
I'm glad you're comfortable with it.

And let us know when you have a meaningful response to post # 82,'

 

[JoeB131]

LOL. I will celebrate the Constitution being enforced and illegitimate laws being invalidated.

Yeah, fuck those people who get killed, right?

And again, rights do not depend on the whims of the constitutionally ignorant public. Yes, there will be hysterics and hand-wringing by leftists who have been lied to; you should be mad at the people who have deceived you, not SCOTUS forcing government to operate within the confines of the Constitution.

The constitution is not a suicide pact. SCOTUS ignored 200 years of precedent to come up with the bizarre Heller ruling.

Which they did every week. Koresh regularly went into town, the assault wasn't needed and was the worst thing to do against a group fed persecution theories and a leader spouting apocalyptic prophesy . . . Especially when the FBI knew Koresh was working on his seven seals treatise and the assault was so poorly planned that there was no fire plan, even though incendiary gas devices were in the plan.

Arresting Koresh wasn't the point of the raid. The point was to seize the guns he was selling to shady people at gun shows with the gun show loophole.

Koresh knew the FBI was looking at him, FBI agents visited the compound months before. On Feb 19, 1993 they visited for the singular purpose of shooting guns with Koresh, bringing AR-15's onto the compound . . . In the hopes that Koresh would discuss or even show, illegally modified AR's or AK's. Christ, they thought Koresh was so dangerous one of the agents (Robert Rodriguiz) let Koresh and two other Davidians shoot his duty weapon, a Les Baer FBI-HRT .38 Super . . .

You realize that it was the ATF, NOT the FBI investigating him, right?

 

[2aguy]

As of December 2021, 689 (of which 303 resulted in zero deaths) fit the Mass Shooting Tracker project criterion, leaving 702 people dead and 2,823 injured, for a total of 3,525 total victims, some including the shooter(s).

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I sure that another bad SCOTUS decision will make you wank for days... but people are getting fed up with the gun fetishist and the carnage they are causing. 2021 was a record year for murders...



That's a good argument for stronger laws that you would oppose..



The Davidians could have walked out of that complex at any time.

Just remember the Right Wing Mantra - George Floyd had it coming, but David Koresh is a martyr after he molested kids and killed four ATF Agents.

Wrong.........Mother Jones, the left wing, rabid, anti-gun news group uses the actual definition and does not pad the numbers with gang drive by shootings...

According to Mother Jones, using the FBI definition of a mass public shooting, the definition every American understands to be the definition....

US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2021...6
2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation




Deaths in actual mass public shootings... ( someone do the math and tell us what percent of 10,235 the number 73 equals.....)

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...


Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong.........Mother Jones, the left wing, rabid, anti-gun news group uses the actual definition and does not pad the numbers with gang drive by shootings...

THese dead people don't count, they're black... I mean Gang members....

 

[Abatis]

Yeah, fuck those people who get killed, right?

That's up to your political comrades. Will they be smart enough to devise responses to criminal activity that no longer implicates the rights of law abiding citizens?

The constitution is not a suicide pact.

I would love for you to explain your reasoning for that statement.

I agree wholeheartedly, the Constitution is not a suicide pact for "WE THE PEOPLE", but your ideas make it so. Your ideas declare government's power is nearly absolute and unquestionable. You are arguing that no matter how far government wanders from the confines of the Constitution and the principles of government's establishment, the people must suffer whatever indignities and affronts this mutated government dishes out.

I say bullshit to whatever politically corrupt statist authoritarian interpretation you conjure granting government limitless power. Please try to explain what YOU mean when you say, "the constitution is not a suicide pact".

SCOTUS ignored 200 years of precedent to come up with the bizarre Heller ruling.

That's just dumb and devoid of any knowledge of SCOTUS precedent and the genesis of the various 'collective right' perversions inserted in the lower federal courts in 1942. Every "fact" point in your statement is a lie.

The point of why I suggested, that you listen to / read the oral arguments in NYSRPA is that your interpretation is dead, nobody argues the "200 years of precedent" and "militia right" goofiness anymore except for ignorant anti-gun loudmouths on the internet, hopelessly stuck in a time warp. Nobody actually defending gun control breathes a syllable of that BS, either in briefs or argument.

Arresting Koresh wasn't the point of the raid. The point was to seize the guns he was selling to shady people at gun shows with the gun show loophole.

The point of the raid was to show that the ATF had some balls; all it proved was they had no brains.

You realize that it was the ATF, NOT the FBI investigating him, right?

The gun offenses were the pretense, it was a Janet Reno directed DoJ fiasco and there were different agencies involved from the beginning, with the FBI taking complete operational control after the ATF screwed the pooch.

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[2aguy]

That's up to your political comrades. Will they be smart enough to devise responses to criminal activity that no longer implicates the rights of law abiding citizens?



I would love for you to explain your reasoning for that statement.

I agree wholeheartedly, the Constitution is not a suicide pact for "WE THE PEOPLE", but your ideas make it so. Your ideas declare government's power is nearly absolute and unquestionable. You are arguing that no matter how far government wanders from the confines of the Constitution and the principles of government's establishment, the people must suffer whatever indignities and affronts this mutated government dishes out.

I say bullshit to whatever politically corrupt statist authoritarian interpretation you conjure granting government limitless power. Please try to explain what YOU mean when you say, "the constitution is not a suicide pact".




That's just dumb and devoid of any knowledge of SCOTUS precedent and the genesis of the various 'collective right' perversions inserted in the lower federal courts in 1942. Every "fact" point in your statement is a lie.

The point of why I suggested, that you listen to / read the oral arguments in NYSRPA is that your interpretation is dead, nobody argues the "200 years of precedent" and "militia right" goofiness anymore except for ignorant anti-gun loudmouths on the internet, hopelessly stuck in a time warp. Nobody actually defending gun control breathes a syllable of that BS, either in briefs or argument.



The point of the raid was to show that the ATF had some balls; all it proved was they had no brains.



The gun offenses were the pretense, it was a Janet Reno directed DoJ fiasco and there were different agencies involved from the beginning, with the FBI taking complete operational control after the ATF screwed the pooch.

.

Are you talking Waco? One of the primary reasons for the raid was the ATF budget....they wanted a big, splashy raid in order to be able to ask for more money.......we know this because it was reported koresh often walked into town all by himself to get icecream, on a weekly basis...they could have arrested him without killing those children at any time..


Just so you know.....I read your posts as soon as I see them....along with the other conservatives...I enjoy when you take joe apart....that's great...

 

[JoeB131]

I agree wholeheartedly, the Constitution is not a suicide pact for "WE THE PEOPLE", but your ideas make it so. Your ideas declare government's power is nearly absolute and unquestionable. You are arguing that no matter how far government wanders from the confines of the Constitution and the principles of government's establishment, the people must suffer whatever indignities and affronts this mutated government dishes out.

Nobody argued that, buddy. The problem with you is that you think "government" is this evil entity that wants to destroy you, when in fact, what you really fear is the majority getting sick and tired of the bullshit we have to deal with because you guys won't even agree to the most common sense gun control, like taking guns out of the hands of domestic abusers or doing a meaningful background check.

The gun offenses were the pretense, it was a Janet Reno directed DoJ fiasco and there were different agencies involved from the beginning, with the FBI taking complete operational control after the ATF screwed the pooch.

The FBI took over because the Pedophile Cultists killed four ATF agents serving a legal warrant.

Are you talking Waco? One of the primary reasons for the raid was the ATF budget....they wanted a big, splashy raid in order to be able to ask for more money.......we know this because it was reported koresh often walked into town all by himself to get icecream, on a weekly basis...they could have arrested him without killing those children at any time..

Arresting Koresh was never the point. The point was to get the guns that he was illegally modifying. That's why they conducted a LEGAL search of his residence.

I always find it hilarious that you think that any murder of an unarmed black man is justified, but you think the Davidians were in their rights to murder federal agents serving a legal search warrant.

The mistake was waiting 43 days for these cultist to come out. They should have went in the next day.

 

[watchingfromafar]

In the wild west anyone carrying a gun in a public place was fined up to $10,000

A public place includes streets, community places and malls.
It is a simple law, and our cities should enact this law now!!!!!
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[watchingfromafar]

Wrong.........Mother Jones, the left wing, rabid, anti-gun news group uses the actual definition and does not pad the numbers with gang drive by shootings...

According to Mother Jones, using the FBI definition of a mass public shooting, the definition every American understands to be the definition....

US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
-------

• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2021...6
2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation




Deaths in actual mass public shootings... ( someone do the math and tell us what percent of 10,235 the number 73 equals.....)

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...


Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

Your lengthy comment filled a lot of space while having nothing to do with the topic. I think it is a trump thing.
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[2aguy]

In the wild west anyone carrying a gun in a public place was fined up to $10,000

A public place includes streets, community places and malls.
It is a simple law, and our cities should enact this law now!!!!!
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Yeah.....the West wasn't what the movies are telling you........

The New York Times Botches America’s History With The Gun

Second, the idea that “Gun control laws were ubiquitous” in the 19th century is the work of politically motivated historians who cobble together every minor local restriction they can find in an attempt to create the impression that gun control was the norm. If this were true, Kristof wouldn’t need to jump to 1879 to offer his first specific case.

Visitors to Wichita, Kan., had to check their revolvers at police headquarters. As for Dodge City, a symbol of the Wild West, a photo shows a sign on main street in 1879 warning: “The Carrying of Fire Arms Strictly Prohibited.”


This talking point has been trotted out for years because it’s the closest thing anyone can find to resemble gun control in the Old West — a picture. But we don’t even know how rigidly the law was enforced, for how long, or if ever. We certainly don’t know that the guns were dropped off at “police headquarters.”

Dodge City-type ordinances—and those of some other towns—typically applied to the areas north of the “deadline,” which was the railroad tracks and a kind of red-light district. By 1879, Dodge City had nearly 20 businesses licensed to sell liquor and many whorehouses teeming with intoxicated young men. It was reasonable that these businesses wouldn’t want armed men with revolvers packed into their establishments.

However, the men voluntarily abandoned their weapons in exchange for entertainment and drink—just as they do today when entering establishments that prohibit the carrying of firearms. Those weapons were handed back to them when they were done. Not in their wildest imaginations would they have entertained the notion of asking the government for permission—getting a license or undergoing a background check—to own a firearm.

In the rest of the city, as with almost every city in the West, guns were allowed, and people walked around with them freely and openly. They bought them freely and openly. Even children could buy them. A man could buy a Colt or Remington or Winchester, and he could buy as many as he liked without anyone taking notice.


The fact is that in the 19th century there were no statewide or territory-wide gun control laws for citizens, and certainly no federal laws. Nor was there a single case challenging the idea of the individual right of gun ownership. Guns were romanticized in the literature and art, and the era’s greatest engineers designed and sold them. All the while, American leaders continued to praise the Second Amendment as a bulwark against tyranny.

Those who praised this right, incidentally, include numerous post-Civil War civil rights activists, who offered particularly powerful arguments for the importance of the Second Amendment. Most gun-control regulations that did exist, after all, were used for subjugating blacks and Indians.

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Most of the gun control laws in the Old West, if they existed at all, had nothing to do with confiscation or restrictions on gun type. They had more to do with gun use by restricting and prohibiting firing pistols in city streets. And, while few opponents of gun control today would object to limitations on discharging firearms in a busy intersection, gun control laws of this extent were largely unheard of in most American cities. In fact, they were even unusual in the Old West, and using the gun control ordinance from Tombstone as an example, they were proven ineffective.
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There were other frontier towns with gun control restrictions similar to Tombstone. Most made it unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person any deadly weapon within the limits of said city, without first obtaining a permit in writing. But, in those towns, as in Tombstone, in the closest equivalents to a “gun-free zone” in the 19th century, such gun control measures did little to stem gun violence, and likely provoked the infamous kerfuffle at the O.K. Corral.
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Lots of guns, not a lot of crime​

Mass violence, like what took place at the O.K. Corral, was actually infrequent. Moreover, the Old West reputation for lawlessness is unwarranted, despite, at times, an elevated number of homicides.

Crime such as rape and robberies occurred at a much lower rate than in modern America — certainly lower than in the 1970s and 1980s, when the nation was wracked by a surge in criminality. It is also worth noting that crime and gun violence has fallen steeply since the 1990s, even as gun ownership has increased dramatically.

 

[2aguy]

In the wild west anyone carrying a gun in a public place was fined up to $10,000

A public place includes streets, community places and malls.
It is a simple law, and our cities should enact this law now!!!!!
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Tombstone......

Gun Control, 1881

The ordinance, in this case at least, proved to be almost entirely ineffective. As recounted in the court decision, Sheriff Behan had “demanded of the Clantons and McLaurys that they give up their arms, and … they ‘demurred,’ as he said, and did not do it.”
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This reliance is misplaced. A brief filed by historians and legal scholars explains that nineteenth-century prohibitions like the one in Tombstone were “unusual” and imposed “in response to transitory conditions.”


Any “supposed distinction between populated and unpopulated areas, offered to justify heavy restrictions on carrying in the District, is not supported by the existence of handgun carry bans in a handful of mostly small towns in the Wild West, when nearly all major cities had no such laws.”
3/5/18

NRA-ILA: The Myth of Effective Wild West Gun Control Exploded - The Truth About Guns
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[2aguy]

Your lengthy comment filled a lot of space while having nothing to do with the topic. I think it is a trump thing.
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Yes...you have no response...

 

[2aguy]

Nobody argued that, buddy. The problem with you is that you think "government" is this evil entity that wants to destroy you, when in fact, what you really fear is the majority getting sick and tired of the bullshit we have to deal with because you guys won't even agree to the most common sense gun control, like taking guns out of the hands of domestic abusers or doing a meaningful background check.



The FBI took over because the Pedophile Cultists killed four ATF agents serving a legal warrant.



Arresting Koresh was never the point. The point was to get the guns that he was illegally modifying. That's why they conducted a LEGAL search of his residence.

I always find it hilarious that you think that any murder of an unarmed black man is justified, but you think the Davidians were in their rights to murder federal agents serving a legal search warrant.

The mistake was waiting 43 days for these cultist to come out. They should have went in the next day.

Hey...dipshit.......the Janet Reno, Bill clinton and the FBI killed 22 children.....

 

[watchingfromafar]

Yes...you have no response...

And what did you contribute when you posted--
Deer kill 200 people a year.....
Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....
Ladders 300 people a year....
bathtubs 350 people a year...
Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...

What was your point in posting the above-?
People die from all sorts of things, this we know.
Murder by guns is the OP topic
No offense intended or implied
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[2aguy]

And what did you contribute when you posted--
Deer kill 200 people a year.....
Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....
Ladders 300 people a year....
bathtubs 350 people a year...
Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...

What was your point in posting the above-?
People die from all sorts of things, this we know.
Murder by guns is the OP topic
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Yep....and idiots like you want to exploit mass public shootings in order to demand gun confiscation and banning....

Pointing out the actual number of deaths by actual mass public shootings versus other types of deaths, shows that mass public shootings are the rarest of rare events, and that with a total of 43 people murdered in mass public shootings in 2021...a realistic understanding that deer kill 200 people a year, shows that using mass public shootings to justify taking guns away from millions of Americans is just stupid....

 

[watchingfromafar]

I heard or read somewhere that eight (8) out of ten (10) murders committed with guns was done by a republicon.

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