Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[harmonica]

answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?

Tell me why NH has a murder rate more than 4 times lower than CA despite CA having the harshest gun laws in the country

very bad, terrible comparison--WRONG
......anyone that graduated high school science/math knows for a hypothesis to be valid/etc using comparisons, the test subjects have be comparable/etc--ETC
..NH population 1.3 million
..Cali 39 million with twice the density

that's why
AND the laws are not federal

 

[idb]

ever notice whenever there's a horrific act of gun violence like the shooting at the Hospital yesterday, TwoTinyGuy shows up to tell us that the UK is a bad place?

Doctors should be armed.
It's the only sensible thing to do.

 

[2aguy]

ever notice whenever there's a horrific act of gun violence like the shooting at the Hospital yesterday, TwoTinyGuy shows up to tell us that the UK is a bad place?

No....I say that about the U.K. and their gun violence regardless of any mass shootings in the U.S..... you are lying about that too....is there anything you won't lie about?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

ever notice whenever there's a horrific act of gun violence like the shooting at the Hospital yesterday, TwoTinyGuy shows up to tell us that the UK is a bad place?

Doctors should be armed.
It's the only sensible thing to do.

I think that the gun nuts want the patients to be armed as well.What a mess.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Crimes per 1000

UK 110
US 41

Who has more crime per capita?

"Crimes" is a very nebulous definition. Our police are so busy with murders they don't have time to break up bar fights.

The UK has twice as many rape and assault victims as the US.

No, it doesn't.

The US has a very strict definition of things like this. Whereas the UK has a much lower threshold.

The UK has a HIGHER rape and assault statistics rate. But not necessarily more victims.

Wow another imbecile who doesn't understand ratios

You do realize that a large country with a large population can have a lower CRIME RATE and still have more victims than a small country with a small population with a high crime rate don't you

You are TWICE AS LIKELY to be raped or assaulted in the UK than the US

Ah, insults. Well done, parents must be proud.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London with a population of 9 million has had 121 murders.

Chicago with a population of 3 million has had 486 homicides...

Looks like Gun Control works just fine to me.

Yes...again....their criminals did not commit murder with their guns before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, on the island, where guns are banned and confiscated, gun crime is going up, but the criminals are still not murdering their victims....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

And yet I am four times more likely to be shot in the US than in the UK. We generally dont own guns and our police,in the main, are not armed Why is it that we are so much safer ?

No.... you are likely to be shot in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities..otherwise you are not likely to be shot, and in fact, because you as a law abiding citizen can carry a gun, you are less likely to be raped, robbed or murdered if you have that gun with you.

You are not safer, your violent crime rate is higher than ours.

Which is misrepresenting the reality of the US.

"Democrat controlled cities" don't just live in a vacuum. They can't ignore the rest of the country. The Republicans have as much impact on these places as Democrats do.

 

[JoeB131]

No....I say that about the U.K. and their gun violence regardless of any mass shootings in the U.S..... you are lying about that too....is there anything you won't lie about?

Don't have to lie... you only seem to show up when there is some horrific shooting... "Quick, we need a distraction... let's distort what's going on in Britian, where a cop and two civilians weren't shot by a crazy person yesterday!"

 

[Skull Pilot]

The UK has twice as many rape and assault victims per 1000 as the US.

No, they just count them differently.

Pretty much any unwatned groping is considered rape in the UK. You have to get home plate in the US to count as rape.

Funny when I told you they use a different methodology for defining murder you scoffed. but now you use the very argument you dismissed

You are a duplicitous sort

 

[Skull Pilot]

ever notice whenever there's a horrific act of gun violence like the shooting at the Hospital yesterday, TwoTinyGuy shows up to tell us that the UK is a bad place?

Most of us don't give a flying or any other kind of **** about the UK and their boot licking monarch worshipers but you control freaks seem to love the UK so much you want to be just like them

 

[Skull Pilot]

answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?

Tell me why NH has a murder rate more than 4 times lower than CA despite CA having the harshest gun laws in the country

very bad, terrible comparison--WRONG
......anyone that graduated high school science/math knows for a hypothesis to be valid/etc using comparisons, the test subjects have be comparable/etc--ETC
..NH population 1.3 million
..Cali 39 million with twice the density

that's why
AND the laws are not federal

Funny how you talk about education yet you do not understand ratios

The murder RATE is murders per 100,00 it matters not if you compare different states because the RATIO accounts for population size

But if I didn't understand ratios and used your argument then your comparison of murder rates between the UK and the US is invalidated because the UK has a population od 66 million and the US has a population of 350 million

And no the laws are not federal which is why the comparison between states is relevant.

There are 23 states that have murder RATES less than CA and CA has the harshest gun laws in the country so if gun laws actually lowered murder rates then CA would have the lowest rate in the country and NH would have a much higher murder rate.

Our murder rate is driven by relatively few very distinct areas in the country that are ultra violent. These areas are those that are historically plagued by segregation, poverty, unemployment , underemployment, substandard education, crime, drugs and gangs.

70% of all murders occur in these areas which tend to be inner city neighborhoods that exist in very small areas of just 2% of all the counties in the US.

We do not have a gun problem. We have a cancer in our inner cities that breeds enough violence and murder so as to skew the rates for the entire country

 

[Skull Pilot]

Crimes per 1000

UK 110
US 41

Who has more crime per capita?

"Crimes" is a very nebulous definition. Our police are so busy with murders they don't have time to break up bar fights.

The UK has twice as many rape and assault victims as the US.

No, it doesn't.

The US has a very strict definition of things like this. Whereas the UK has a much lower threshold.

The UK has a HIGHER rape and assault statistics rate. But not necessarily more victims.

Wow another imbecile who doesn't understand ratios

You do realize that a large country with a large population can have a lower CRIME RATE and still have more victims than a small country with a small population with a high crime rate don't you

You are TWICE AS LIKELY to be raped or assaulted in the UK than the US

Ah, insults. Well done, parents must be proud.

IDGAF what my parents think.

People who don't understand simple ratios shouldn't be in this discussion

 

[Pilot1]

Most of us don't give a flying or any other kind of **** about the UK and their boot licking monarch worshipers but you control freaks seem to love the UK so much you want to be just like them

We left Europe, and rebelled against England for a reason. We didn't want to be subjects controlled by ROYALTY. Today liberal/progressives want to make our government all powerful, and like royalty. They demand government solutions for everything. That is why they want to remove the Second Amendment, and our Natural Right to defend ourselves.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Most of us don't give a flying or any other kind of **** about the UK and their boot licking monarch worshipers but you control freaks seem to love the UK so much you want to be just like them

We left Europe, and rebelled against England for a reason. We didn't want to be subjects controlled by ROYALTY. Today liberal/progressives want to make our government all powerful, and like royalty. They demand government solutions for everything. That is why they want to remove the Second Amendment, and our Natural Right to defend ourselves.

It's astounding how many people here want to bend the knee to the ******* government

 

[2aguy]

Europe was always less violent than the U.S......and after Britain banned and confiscated guns they have more gun crime not less....and violence across Europe and Britain is growing, not going down.

You need to explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, and violent crime went down 72% as more Americans started to own and actually carry guns...and you can't....

And Chicago and Baltimore have extreme gun control and have more gun murder than New York..the difference? New York had Rudy Guilliani and his police commissioner, and they are continuing to use their tactics to combat crime while Baltimore and Chicago let violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again. I have shown you the revolving door policy for violent gun offenders in Chicago, it is also happening in Baltimore and St. Louis....

Criminal control is the issue, not gun control. Do you really think that law abiding gun owners are doing the gun murder in these cities? It is the repeat gun offenders who are allowed to go back into these democrat party controlled inner cities that rack up the body counts...not John and Jane Q. Citizen carrying guns for self defense.

Fewer Americans own guns now.
You must know this...you have so many statistics to hand.
It's just that gun owners own more guns each.

Yes...the theory that 2 guys in Idaho are the only guys buying guns now......

And the truth....from NBC no less...

And the fact is that more Americans aren't sharing their ownership of guns with anonymous pollsters...especially gun owners who know that after Sandy Hook left wing, democrat jouranlists tried to post the names of gun owners in their papers...allowing criminals to have shopping lists for theft and murder of gun owners.......

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

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NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."


Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders - CNN


An interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties has infuriated many readers since it was posted Saturday on a newspaper's website.
The map, published by The Journal News, allows readers to zoom in on red dots that indicate which residents are licensed to own pistols or revolvers. It had prompted more than 1,700 comments as of Wednesday morning.
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Still, hundreds of residents were shocked to see their information posted without their being notified. Some said the map would prompt burglaries because thieves are now aware of where weapons might be found.
"Now everyone knows where the legal guns are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals," a commenter wrote. "Why don't you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the illegal guns are kept?"

Ah...so that means that you're just guessing about the number of people that own guns.

I am using the same thing you do, research from left wing news sites..... and it says 47%..... and gun owners are now more likely to keep their gun owning a secret from pollsters...which means that number is likely low, as the biggest growth areas in gun ownership are women and minorities, two groups that in the past have been low in ownership rates.....but that is changing.

So you're guessing.

Here....a more detailed look at how many gun owners are in the U.S....

https://monsterhunternation.com/201...ete-says-congressman-who-wants-to-nuke-omaha/

For those of you who don’t know me, I’m a novelist now, but I retired from the Evil Military Industrial Complex, where I helped maintain those various advanced weapon systems you expect to bomb me with. Before that I was a gun dealer and firearms instructor. So basically I sold guns to the people you expect the people I trained to take them from.
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Nobody really knows how many people in America own guns, or how many guns are here. The estimates range wildly. I’ve noticed a trend over recent years of the news media trying to minimize that number, to make it seem like it’s actually a very low percentage of Americans who own firearms, a fading cultural anomaly if you will, and to explain the one to two million new backgrounds checks done every month for new purchases, a handful of us just own a few hundred guns each.

Uh huh…. Sure.

While trying to make gun ownership seem like an oddball thing, I’ve seen the media come up with some truly silly estimates about the total number of guns in this country.

The one that was going around earlier this year was really easy to debunk, because they used the number of NICS checks… Problem is, it didn’t take into account the millions guns sold before that (and they never really wear out), the fact that one NICS check can be used to buy multiples at a time, and that many US states (including the gun nuttiest) use their own state background check system, and don’t report to that federal number. Oh yeah, with advances in cheap machining, making your own guns at home has become increasingly popular.

When pollsters call to ask us if and how many guns we own—we think about things like a congressmen talking about nuking us—and immediately lie our asses off. The biggest recurring joke in the gun community is that I don’t own any guns, because I lost them all in a freak canoe accident.

So nobody really knows how many guns there are here, or how many of us own them. But the answer is A LOT.

Recently the WaPo ran an article called Americans Vastly Overestimate the Number of Gun Owners. As with most WaPo articles, it was about 90% bullshit, but they are claiming that only 20 to 30 percent of Americans own guns. That may sound plausible if you live in Manhattan, but out here in flyover country, that’s downright laughable, but anyways, to make the idea of mass gun confiscation as plausible as possible, let’s run with that rosy figure. We’ll even take the lower one of 20%. (snort)

Too bad America has over a third of a billion people, because even the unrealistic figure of 20% of 325 million is still a whopping 65 MILLION people. That’s about the same as the entire population of France. That’s about the same as the population of Great Britain, only with 500 times the firepower. Good thing we didn’t go with that 30%, because now the number is way bigger than the population of Germany (and you know what a pain beating them last time was!). Or ironically, about three times the population of Iraq.

It’s kind of funny, when it comes to us adopting social or economic programs, the left is always comparing the US to Denmark, which has the population of LA county, and that’s totally not apples and oranges, but declaring war on a percentage of the American population bigger than most nation states? That’s no biggie.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London with a population of 9 million has had 121 murders.

Chicago with a population of 3 million has had 486 homicides...

Looks like Gun Control works just fine to me.

Yes...again....their criminals did not commit murder with their guns before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, on the island, where guns are banned and confiscated, gun crime is going up, but the criminals are still not murdering their victims....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

And yet I am four times more likely to be shot in the US than in the UK. We generally dont own guns and our police,in the main, are not armed Why is it that we are so much safer ?

No.... you are likely to be shot in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities..otherwise you are not likely to be shot, and in fact, because you as a law abiding citizen can carry a gun, you are less likely to be raped, robbed or murdered if you have that gun with you.

You are not safer, your violent crime rate is higher than ours.

Which is misrepresenting the reality of the US.

"Democrat controlled cities" don't just live in a vacuum. They can't ignore the rest of the country. The Republicans have as much impact on these places as Democrats do.

No, they don't...the democrats in these cities elect the judges and appoint the prosecutors, and give left wing advocacy groups access to decision making for police....like the ACLU and black lives matter....black lives matter the group along with obama that has driven the Ferguson Effect in our major cities.

 

[Pilot1]

I love how the Left says that gun ownership has gone down. They maintain that gun owners are just buying more guns. The TRUTH is that many of the gun sales over the last ten years have been to women, and first time gun buyers. The number of households with guns has greatly expanded over the last ten years thanks to the Democrats constant bleating about gun bans, and confiscation.

Thanks Obama! Thanks Hillary! Thanks Chuckie! Thanks Diane!

 

[2aguy]

No....I say that about the U.K. and their gun violence regardless of any mass shootings in the U.S..... you are lying about that too....is there anything you won't lie about?

Don't have to lie... you only seem to show up when there is some horrific shooting... "Quick, we need a distraction... let's distort what's going on in Britian, where a cop and two civilians weren't shot by a crazy person yesterday!"

Dipshit...I post about Britain all the time.....because they keep having more and more gun crime...ask your buddy anti-gunners who keep bitching about the British gun news I post....you doofus.

 

[Pilot1]

More gun control laws is only about MORE CONTROL of the LAW ABIDING. Nothing more.

 

[2aguy]

I love how the Left says that gun ownership has gone down. They maintain that gun owners are just buying more guns. The TRUTH is that many of the gun sales over the last ten years have been to women, and first time gun buyers. The number of households has greatly expanded over the last ten years thanks to the Democrats constant bleating about gun bans, and confiscation.

Thanks Obama! Thanks Hillary! Thanks Chuckie! Thanks Diane!

This is from Larry Correia.......he talks about this very thing...in a funny and informative way, he is an expert in the field, having worked in this industry....

Monster Hunter Nation

Nobody really knows how many people in America own guns, or how many guns are here. The estimates range wildly. I’ve noticed a trend over recent years of the news media trying to minimize that number, to make it seem like it’s actually a very low percentage of Americans who own firearms, a fading cultural anomaly if you will, and to explain the one to two million new backgrounds checks done every month for new purchases, a handful of us just own a few hundred guns each.

Uh huh…. Sure.

While trying to make gun ownership seem like an oddball thing, I’ve seen the media come up with some truly silly estimates about the total number of guns in this country. The one that was going around earlier this year was really easy to debunk, because they used the number of NICS checks… Problem is, it didn’t take into account the millions guns sold before that (and they never really wear out), the fact that one NICS check can be used to buy multiples at a time, and that many US states (including the gun nuttiest) use their own state background check system, and don’t report to that federal number. Oh yeah, with advances in cheap machining, making your own guns at home has become increasingly popular.

When pollsters call to ask us if and how many guns we own—we think about things like a congressmen talking about nuking us—and immediately lie our asses off. The biggest recurring joke in the gun community is that I don’t own any guns, because I lost them all in a freak canoe accident.

So nobody really knows how many guns there are here, or how many of us own them. But the answer is A LOT.

Recently the WaPo ran an article called Americans Vastly Overestimate the Number of Gun Owners. As with most WaPo articles, it was about 90% bullshit, but they are claiming that only 20 to 30 percent of Americans own guns. That may sound plausible if you live in Manhattan, but out here in flyover country, that’s downright laughable, but anyways, to make the idea of mass gun confiscation as plausible as possible, let’s run with that rosy figure. We’ll even take the lower one of 20%. (snort)

Too bad America has over a third of a billion people, because even the unrealistic figure of 20% of 325 million is still a whopping 65 MILLION people. That’s about the same as the entire population of France. That’s about the same as the population of Great Britain, only with 500 times the firepower. Good thing we didn’t go with that 30%, because now the number is way bigger than the population of Germany (and you know what a pain beating them last time was!). Or ironically, about three times the population of Iraq.

It’s kind of funny, when it comes to us adopting social or economic programs, the left is always comparing the US to Denmark, which has the population of LA county, and that’s totally not apples and oranges, but declaring war on a percentage of the American population bigger than most nation states? That’s no biggie.

 

[2aguy]

Most of us don't give a flying or any other kind of **** about the UK and their boot licking monarch worshipers but you control freaks seem to love the UK so much you want to be just like them

We left Europe, and rebelled against England for a reason. We didn't want to be subjects controlled by ROYALTY. Today liberal/progressives want to make our government all powerful, and like royalty. They demand government solutions for everything. That is why they want to remove the Second Amendment, and our Natural Right to defend ourselves.

It's astounding how many people here want to bend the knee to the ******* government

Not really, Andrew Klavan on his podcast talked about this....... he said Freedom isn't the driving force for human beings.....it is safety and security, even it that means being a slave....he points to the Exodus story in the Bible where the Israelis are freed from slavery, with God using miracles to save them...then they ***** to Moses about how slavery was better than being in the desert.......

If you like conservative philosophical discusssions he is a really good one to listen too on Itunes or watch on Youtube or at the dailywire.......he is a crime fiction writer, whose books have been made into Clint Eastwood movies, and he recently wrote the screenplay for Gosnell....he talks culture, Hollywood, and religion.........great guy....