Cecilie1200
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Yes, the pilots would be informed, as would the rest of the public, if airlines began allowing people to carry guns on planes. I assume that pilots read the news, same as everyone else.
Gun control laws, gets people killed.
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Yes, the pilots would be informed, as would the rest of the public, if airlines began allowing people to carry guns on planes. I assume that pilots read the news, same as everyone else.
Cecilie1200
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Hey Genius, firing a gun could have killed them just as easy, due to loss of cabin pressure
Oh, okay. It's MUCH better that they be helplessly flown into a building, thereby killing thousands of OTHER people, than that a stray bullet possibly damage the cabin and cause loss of pressure.
Cecilie1200
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I'm always fascinated by the naive idea that ANY place can be made 100% gun-free, or that even if such a thing WERE possible, that this would somehow make that place danger-free. Yeah, because criminals are such law-abiding, peaceful folks at heart.
Cecilie1200
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Uh, yeah. Because back before there were gun control laws, everyone got shot and killed . . . no, wait, if that were true, there wouldn't be anyone alive NOW.
Amazingly enough, a simple misunderstanding between people who each know that the other is quite probably armed usually DOESN'T escalate beyond a simple misunderstanding. Most people are not stupidly suicidal.
Cecilie1200
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Of course, Kitten forgets the OTHER equation. Pressurized cabin + terrorists - armed passengers = death to everyone inside AND everyone in the building they flew into.
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Hmm...let's look at the gun crime in WAshington DC after they put in the most restrictive gun control laws the nation had ever seen....
WHY IT QUADRUPLED....
What about other places?
"....internationally, rates of violent crime and suicide appear to be independent of how extensively a country controls guns.
Russia, Estonia, Mexico, Northern Ireland, Canada and Hungary all have high rates of homicide and/or suicide despite restrictive gun control laws, and low rates of suicide are found in relatively well-armed jurisdictions like Israel and New Zealand.
Gun control laws are uniform throughout the United Kingdom, but murder rates are not -- in 1989 the murder rate per 100,000 people was 0.6 in England and Wales, 3.3 in Scotland and 7 in Northern Ireland.
When Canadian provinces and adjoining U.S. states are compared, threefold-to-tenfold differences in the prevalence of handguns have not resulted in consistently different rates of criminal homicide.
Prior to the enactment of federal gun controls in 1968, guns could be bought virtually anywhere by any adult, but the national murder rate then was half what it is now.
In fact, evidence suggests that guns are an effective crime deterrent in the hands of legal owners.
A study published by the University of Chicago found that crime rates are lower when civilians are allowed to carry concealed weapons.
Murder rates in the District of Columbia and Chicago actually went up after each jurisdiction passed restrictive gun control laws.
Burglaries of occupied dwellings in the gun-free U.K. are much more frequent than in the United States.
It isn't even evident that gun control laws have reduced gun ownership in the United States. Despite more than 20,000 gun-control laws nationwide, firearms are present in about the same percentage of households today as in the 1960s.
Source: Daniel D. Polsby, "Firearms and Crime," Independent Policy Report, 1997, The Independent Institute, 134 Ninety-Eighth Avenue, Oakland, CA 94603, (510) 632-1366.
For full text of the University of Chicago study:
Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns (Gun Control Study by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, and Related Links on Firearms Regulation Worldwide: National and International Law)
NCPA Crime - DOES GUN CONTROL REDUCE CRIME?
Wow, that's interesting.
WHY IT QUADRUPLED....
What about other places?
"....internationally, rates of violent crime and suicide appear to be independent of how extensively a country controls guns.
Russia, Estonia, Mexico, Northern Ireland, Canada and Hungary all have high rates of homicide and/or suicide despite restrictive gun control laws, and low rates of suicide are found in relatively well-armed jurisdictions like Israel and New Zealand.
Gun control laws are uniform throughout the United Kingdom, but murder rates are not -- in 1989 the murder rate per 100,000 people was 0.6 in England and Wales, 3.3 in Scotland and 7 in Northern Ireland.
When Canadian provinces and adjoining U.S. states are compared, threefold-to-tenfold differences in the prevalence of handguns have not resulted in consistently different rates of criminal homicide.
Prior to the enactment of federal gun controls in 1968, guns could be bought virtually anywhere by any adult, but the national murder rate then was half what it is now.
In fact, evidence suggests that guns are an effective crime deterrent in the hands of legal owners.
A study published by the University of Chicago found that crime rates are lower when civilians are allowed to carry concealed weapons.
Murder rates in the District of Columbia and Chicago actually went up after each jurisdiction passed restrictive gun control laws.
Burglaries of occupied dwellings in the gun-free U.K. are much more frequent than in the United States.
It isn't even evident that gun control laws have reduced gun ownership in the United States. Despite more than 20,000 gun-control laws nationwide, firearms are present in about the same percentage of households today as in the 1960s.
Source: Daniel D. Polsby, "Firearms and Crime," Independent Policy Report, 1997, The Independent Institute, 134 Ninety-Eighth Avenue, Oakland, CA 94603, (510) 632-1366.
For full text of the University of Chicago study:
Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns (Gun Control Study by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, and Related Links on Firearms Regulation Worldwide: National and International Law)
NCPA Crime - DOES GUN CONTROL REDUCE CRIME?
Wow, that's interesting.
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"About 10,000 murders are committed using firearms annually,[34] while an estimated 2.5 million crimes may be thwarted through civilian use of firearms annually.[35][36][37][38]"
"Killias' most extensive study, however, covering 21 countries, found no significant association between gun ownership rates and rates of homicide, suicide, robbery, or assault. Gun ownership rates appeared to affect weapon choice, but not the total number of people killed or victimized[57]"
Rich et al. likewise found that increased gun restrictions, while reducing suicide-by-gun, resulted in no net decline in suicides, because of substitution of other methods.[58] "Japan is often cited as another counter-example to Killias's assertion, as Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world[59] while private firearm ownership is almost non-existent."
The law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." As part of the law Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing of firearms and ammunition.[64]. On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[65]
Other countries that were briefly democratic before becoming totalitarian, such as some countries of the former USSR (e.g., Belarus, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, etc.) and many African countries (e.g. Zimbabwe, Angola), all have (and had) restrictive gun laws[original research?]. In such countries as South Africa and Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia), the black majority was prevented from legally owning guns by the white minority, aiding in the establishment of white rule[citation needed].
Firearms-rights advocates also point to the example of Japan. During the early Middle Ages, there was a high percentage of weapons ownership within the general populace, and this hindered the Japanese Imperial government in establishing totalitarian control within the country.[need quote][66] The Japanese populace was eventually disarmed, and weapons ownership was strictly limited to the elite and their Samurai bodyguards.[66] Peasants, without any access to arms, were at the mercy of powerful warlords or raiding bandits.
Gun politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Killias' most extensive study, however, covering 21 countries, found no significant association between gun ownership rates and rates of homicide, suicide, robbery, or assault. Gun ownership rates appeared to affect weapon choice, but not the total number of people killed or victimized[57]"
Rich et al. likewise found that increased gun restrictions, while reducing suicide-by-gun, resulted in no net decline in suicides, because of substitution of other methods.[58] "Japan is often cited as another counter-example to Killias's assertion, as Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world[59] while private firearm ownership is almost non-existent."
The law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." As part of the law Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing of firearms and ammunition.[64]. On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[65]
Other countries that were briefly democratic before becoming totalitarian, such as some countries of the former USSR (e.g., Belarus, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, etc.) and many African countries (e.g. Zimbabwe, Angola), all have (and had) restrictive gun laws[original research?]. In such countries as South Africa and Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia), the black majority was prevented from legally owning guns by the white minority, aiding in the establishment of white rule[citation needed].
Firearms-rights advocates also point to the example of Japan. During the early Middle Ages, there was a high percentage of weapons ownership within the general populace, and this hindered the Japanese Imperial government in establishing totalitarian control within the country.[need quote][66] The Japanese populace was eventually disarmed, and weapons ownership was strictly limited to the elite and their Samurai bodyguards.[66] Peasants, without any access to arms, were at the mercy of powerful warlords or raiding bandits.
Gun politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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We don't need gun control.What America needs is people control.
Very true.
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