Gun control always works...to increase violent crime...ask New York....

[2aguy]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

 

[blastoff]

Anyone with a brain knew what would ensue in the wake of de Blasio's lunacy, which is why the lefty idiots are so surprised now.

 

[Brain357]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

 

[Pogo]

Classic cum hoc fallacy.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

Sorry brain....different dynamics.....you stop the police from going after criminals....the crime rate increase fairly quickly.......it takes at least 5 years and about 5% of the population to get their permits, start carrying, and then confronting criminals for the criminal underworld to get the message that victims can now fight back...

And for the two cities you keep bringing up......both run by democrats who have resisted concealed carry, and they have both under funded, under staffed and under mined their police departments.....and as John Lott would tell you...police are the biggest factor in crime reduction because they actually pursue criminals after the crime

Studies show that concealed carry, once it is enacted, can lower violent crime between 1.5 and 3%......

 

[2aguy]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

And of course....the truth......and reality......there are more than 11.1 million people now carrying concealed handguns in the United States.....and the violent crime rate, including the gun murder rate has gone down...not up.........that is the truth...that is the reality.....

 

[Pogo]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

Sorry brain....different dynamics.....you stop the police from going after criminals....the crime rate increase fairly quickly.......it takes at least 5 years and about 5% of the population to get their permits, start carrying, and then confronting criminals for the criminal underworld to get the message that victims can now fight back...

And for the two cities you keep bringing up......both run by democrats who have resisted concealed carry, and they have both under funded, under staffed and under mined their police departments.....and as John Lott would tell you...police are the biggest factor in crime reduction because they actually pursue criminals after the crime

Studies show that concealed carry, once it is enacted, can lower violent crime between 1.5 and 3%......

And you think that's statistically significant? One and a half to three percent?

 

[2aguy]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

And of course here are some actual studies on the subject....

Lott paper on carry and crime...

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf




Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

Sorry brain....different dynamics.....you stop the police from going after criminals....the crime rate increase fairly quickly.......it takes at least 5 years and about 5% of the population to get their permits, start carrying, and then confronting criminals for the criminal underworld to get the message that victims can now fight back...

And for the two cities you keep bringing up......both run by democrats who have resisted concealed carry, and they have both under funded, under staffed and under mined their police departments.....and as John Lott would tell you...police are the biggest factor in crime reduction because they actually pursue criminals after the crime

Studies show that concealed carry, once it is enacted, can lower violent crime between 1.5 and 3%......

And you think that's statistically significant? One and a half to three percent?

it is to the people who would have been raped, beaten, stabbed, kidnapped or murdered......moron....

 

[2aguy]

And some actual research on the topic...

There are 18 studies that show concealed carry helps lower the crime rate...

there are 10 studies that show concealed carry makes no difference...

and one that says it increases the crime rate..

You can find the names of those studies linked in the following research....

Lott paper on carry and crime...

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

There are basically two groups of people who tend to benefit the most from right-to-carry laws:

(1) poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas, who are most likely to be victims of violent crime, and

(2) people who are relatively weaker physically, such as women and the elderly.

Those who benefit the most tend to be the most vulnerable people. Unfortunately, the permitting rules have a big impact not on-ly on the number of people who get permits, but also on the composi-tion of those who get permits. Higher fees reduce the crime decreas-ing benefits from right-to-carry laws in two ways: (1) reducing the percentage of the population with permits and thus reducing the probability that a criminal will attack someone who is able to defend themselves, and (2) primarily discouraging poor blacks from getting permits and thus preventing those who are most likely to be crime vic-tims from getting a permit.

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III. CONCLUSION
Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Washington, D.C., in 2008 and Chicago in 2010.

These were the Heller and McDonald decisions that divided the Supreme Court in close five-to-four votes.53

Politicians predicted disaster.

“[M]ore handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence,” Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned the day the Court announced its decision.54“go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets.” In Chicago, Mayor Richard Daley predicted that we would 55 Similarly, the New York Times editorialized about the Supreme Court’s “wrongheaded” Heller decision.56

Worries by some Supreme Court Justices about crime increasing animated the dissenting opinions in Heller. Justice Breyer warned: “If a resident has a handgun in the home that he can use for self-defense, then he has a handgun in the home that he can use to commit suicide or engage in acts of domestic violence.”

Breyer’s dissent, and the words “crime,” “criminal,” “criminologist,” “homicide,” “murder,” “rape,” “robbery,” and “victim” were used in the dissent a total of 109 times in forty-four pages. The term “suicide” was mentioned an additional thirteen times.59

But Armageddon never happened.

Data released for Chicago and Washington shows that murder and gun crime rates didn’t soar, they didn’t even rise after the gun bans were eliminated—they plummeted. In fact, Chicago and Washington’s crime rates have fallen much more than the national crime rate.60

The fears over letting Americans carry concealed handguns are no different.

In state after state when right-to-carry laws have been adopted, the entire debate quickly becomes a non-issue within a year after the laws are passed.

If Judge Legg’s decision stands, the same will soon be true for Maryland.
59.

 

[Brain357]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

And of course....the truth......and reality......there are more than 11.1 million people now carrying concealed handguns in the United States.....and the violent crime rate, including the gun murder rate has gone down...not up.........that is the truth...that is the reality.....

It has been going down for 30 years... Concealed carry has nothing to do with it.

 

[Brain357]

Yes...with the end of stop and frisk the violent predators in New York have a new lease on life....and are taking it to the helpless New Yorkers they can catch....


SURPRISE New York SAFE Act Turns Out Not To Be What Was Promised Concealed Nation

The SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night on January 15th 2013, and we’ve now had over two years to gather some statistics. So how do some of the numbers look?


Not good.


The New York Times first reported last week that shootings in New York City have been rising for the past two years.


This was followed by the NYPD reporting a 19.5% increase in City homicides during the first five months of the year.


Now, according to WABC News Ch. 7, felony assaults on the subway are up 27%.

How is comcealed carry working for WI and Chicago? That seems to not work also. More policing best way to lower crime.

Sorry brain....different dynamics.....you stop the police from going after criminals....the crime rate increase fairly quickly.......it takes at least 5 years and about 5% of the population to get their permits, start carrying, and then confronting criminals for the criminal underworld to get the message that victims can now fight back...

And for the two cities you keep bringing up......both run by democrats who have resisted concealed carry, and they have both under funded, under staffed and under mined their police departments.....and as John Lott would tell you...police are the biggest factor in crime reduction because they actually pursue criminals after the crime

Studies show that concealed carry, once it is enacted, can lower violent crime between 1.5 and 3%......

And you think that's statistically significant? One and a half to three percent?

it is to the people who would have been raped, beaten, stabbed, kidnapped or murdered......moron....

Strange I agree with you. 1.5-3 percent would be significant. Concealed carry just doesn't deliver.

 

[Mr. H.]

It's a New York state of mindlessness...