growing Islamophobia

[Pogo]

Islam hasn't modernised since the 7th Century....Christianity has modernised.

Christianity is far older than Islam. So, how long did it take Christianity to "modernize"?

Christianity never needed 'modernization', it was fine right out of the box.

Zat so?

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual "uncleanliness" - Lev.15: 19-24. But how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I disagree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
​

And a wee correction --- Christianism isn't "far older" than Islam. It's a few centuries out of two millennia.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I'm more concerned with preservation of the American way life, myself.


Some of that may include hog farming.

And bacon


And **** Muslims, if they have a problem with that.

GTFO> Or..We do have pigs.

I doubt they do. Just like observant Jews. You eat your bacon they'll eat their whatever.

Jews are just a wee bit less violence-prone to the goyim than Muslims are to the Kafir.

 

[Coyote]

Do you know how many pages are in The Qur'an? No of course you don't, you expect people to post every page of it to show you what the rest says? Buy it and read it yourself.

So you haven't read the whole of the Islamic texts, have you? This might as well

That's just because I've read the bible 3x, but what do I know?

You've read the Bible three times and still think it's okay to commit religious genocide?

Interesting.

Islamists worship a moon-rock-type god.

Not the real God.

It ain't all lovey-dovey sometimes.

Remember the moon rock bags? or no?

Thats about as accurate as saying you worship an ancient pagan war god.

 

[Pogo]

"cons"?



Not sure I know any cons. I did know a fugitive from the law. He saved my life too. Yet another part of why I never bought into the Grand Dichotomy bag.

Your dodging in noted as an example of intellectual dishonesty and cowardice.


My point stands.




Tell her about how paranoid US cons are.

Again, your inability to explain your own point is noted as an example of an apparently addled brain.

There are no "cons" in this story unless you're speaking of Christian's prior convictions. Nobody knows what the hell you're rambling on about.

I will not dignify your Willful Obtuseness.


My point stands.




Tell her about how paranoid US cons are.

Fine, I gave you two chances to explain yourself, which is two more than you could handle. Dismissed.

I will not dignify your Willful Obtuseness.


My point stands.




Tell her about how paranoid US cons are.

I'm afraid I don't know any "cons". But I do know some English teachers.

Going for the Guinness record for repasted pointless posts?

 

[Pogo]

Like I said earlier, Christian is clearly a racist and a religionophobe. He'd probably have behaved the same if he'd seen a man wearing a yarmulke, or if he'd seen someone wearing a crucifix, or if he'd seen a nun.
Indeed, there is evidence he has behaved this way before.

So, imho, the thread title is still misleading. He was equally 'phobic' about other religions - he refers to Jews as 'AshkeNAZI's' and was clearly a racist to boot.

"...The night before Jeremy Christian allegedly stabbed three people - killing two - police say that he was involved with an altercation, also on the MAX train. It happened at the Rose Quarter station.

Christian allegedly threw a bottle of Gatorade at a woman who is black. She then sprayed him with mace.

Later that evening, he was back on the MAX, police say.

Witnesses said he was very angry, complaining about Muslims, Christians, and Jews. He said they they should burn at the stake and spoke about wanting to stab people. The driver was informed but, it appears, that police were not informed until later.

Police are investigating that as well as the Friday night incident...."

Good job the black woman had mace.

Portland Train Stabbings: Missed Signals? Murder Suspect Was Involved In Altercations The Night Before

And lest we forget:


"...According to witnesses, a white male passenger riding an eastbound MAX train early Friday afternoon began yelling what “would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions,”

‘Final act of bravery’: Men who were fatally stabbed trying to stop anti-Muslim rants identified

His usual MO, it seems.

Good info, thanks for that. All relevant context about who we're dealing with.

Notice that through all this nobody asks "wait, what's Jeremy Christian's religion?" Of course we don't ask that because it's irrelevant. He hasn't been acting out of religion but out of hate, out of his own sick rhetoric. That's a rational assessment.


(This is the point where the Logic Train approaches the bridge and the yahoos start screaming "wait! Let me off, I changed my mind, I don't wanna go here!")

 

[Pogo]

but I'm not so much interested in the text of what's in the Quran (or the Bible, the Torah, Bhagavad Gita, etc etc except as historical artifact.

We can clearly see this. Translation: you're ignorant of what the unholy Koran teaches.

Typical of what I described. Can't handle the whole developed thought in context, so he lifts a sentence out of the middle, disconnected from both its antecedents and its subsequents.

Some wags here seem to have the right hemisphere of their brain turned off. I didn't even know there was a switch for that. But why would you want one?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The real problem with homosexual advocates is that they do intend to control even the most personal of religious practice for everyone. They tell others that they don't have to engage in homosexual acts, then persecute them when they refuse to participate in homosexual acts.

Yes, a Christian can judge their own behavior as right or wrong or sinful or not.

 

[Coyote]

By DNA and race I'm caucasian, married to (white) most of my friends are white and love them to death. Growing up I had 0 ounce of racism, cause simply is forbidden in Islam "categorly", and we were mixed for too long to care about a persons color.
I spoke the language you understand, colors cause that's what you see....and through out different threads you portrayed yourself as a better European and Muslims are scums, I had to show you that you are no better and put you in the same basket as the bigots and racists. And now somehow you don't like it.

I have a right to insult those who insult my intelligence. Period.

You do have a right to insult, it is free speech. But insults are not a sign of intelligence. So, without trying to sound rude, how can you repay stupidity with stupidity?

I don't often insult people, I'm not an attack poster Coyote tell Etherion that I'm not prone to insulting people.

Some issues get people passionate, the Anti-Islamisation of The West side are as committed and as strong in our opinion as the Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologist Cheerleaders are in theirs.

Neither side is going to blink in this, it's impossible to even find some common ground, it'll come to blood and guts just like it has many times in the past.

That's funny Oosie. In your first paragraph you go "I don't insult people" and in the next, you insult people.

And whem I say "funny" I mean in the sense of "peculiar".

As I already said on rare occasions I have a right to insult those who insult my intelligence.

They post babble and Propaganda, thats insulting my intelligence. Also in that Manchester suicide bombing thread, there was hardly a post Issa made where he wasn't insulting people calling people racist and also his many comments bashing White people.

Muslims are not a race.

A non-White bashing White people, Issa is the racist.

Lucy is European, so the latest extremist attack hit quite literally close to home and is a very emotional issue.

When we start throwing insults we all lose because the noise is so loud no one can hear.

Lucy Hamilton you one of the most intelligent and kind people I've met (behind the boards) and we've engaged in some potentially dicey conversations and found common ground. I would like to challenge you to get to know Issa in a similar way and vice versa as well.

I think we are all extremely sensitive to being labeled racist and bigots and it completely shuts down any further conversation and that's something I've slowly been becoming aware of not always successfully.

Most of Issa's posts were trying to be informative and most of the responses attacks on him and assumptions on what he believes. I think I'd be very hard pressed to not have descended into total flaming.

 

[Coyote]

How many bigots here that voted for Trump, are disappointed how he loves dealing with Muslims, visit their countries still letting them in, and wishing them a happy Ramadan.

1. Your race card is noted, and rejected. Please consider it ridiculed as well.

I'm amazed there's still one guy who thinks "Muslim" is a race. SMH

Your request to play a game of semantics is also rejected.

What steps are you prepared to take to protect American citizens from islamic terrorism?

I'm more concerned with protecting Americans from senseless gun violence as it is far more common.

 

[Coyote]

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

You don't know any muslims do you.

 

[Coyote]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

So for people to bring The Bible into this is completely ridiculous. Also most Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologists are Athiests or just straight up God Haters, this is why they always have to bring The Bible and Christians into their deflection away from their love in with Islam, it's their favourite deflection and they're crap at it, they are crap at deflection in general.

It's not ridiculous, and here is why.

The argument made against Muslims is that the religion as a whole is "evil" and full of violence because it's so in the Quran. The implication is that this can never change. Yet, Christians don't follow the violent passages. In fact, neither do many Muslims.

Yeah, you still didn't point out the rape condonation in the Bible, and the Quran says to kill the kafir where you find them, or make them submit and pay the jizyah. I'm not saying that there aren't good Muslim people, I'm saying the doctrine is evil to the core.

It says so in the quran.

I mentioned all of that in the Manchester suicide bombing thread and the same crowd that's in this thread had the identical reaction they have in this thread.

Unlike most of them, I've read The Qur'an.

I suspect most of them have as well

If you ever take a comparitive religion class - it's part of the required reading

I've never taken a formal class as such, though I did get real interested in religions in general (and cultures in general) way back when I was a teenager, and my voracious reading when into something probably exceeds formal classes, but I'm not so much interested in the text of what's in the Quran (or the Bible, the Torah, Bhagavad Gita, etc etc except as historical artifact. I think it's far more relevant to know the real-world practices and sensibilities as its people express them. So I draw comparisons of the various despised images of Christians, of Jews, of Moslems, all of which I have personal experience with, and that comparison makes obvious where the bullshit gap is, in all of them.

And that bullshit gap is remarkably similar in all of them, Virtually interchangeable. We've got the Islam flavor here but the Third Reich's anti-Jew rhetoric, the "Papist" bullshit, they're virtually interchangeable. It's always the enemy camp of evil monsters who are out to "take over". That tells us that the common thread is not anything inherent in Christianity, in Judaism, in Islam, etc, but rather in human paranoia.

The more one sees this shit go on, the more familiar it looks, even when the hate-object shifts from one religion to another. Two other ways of saying this: "those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it" is one, and the other is "we have always been at war with Eastasia", even though yesterday we had always been at war with Oceania.

Perhaps that's why those of us who see through this charade tend to be the older ones. We've seen this movie before.

But all of that is religion only, which is in no way the only influence that makes people tick. If one is going to assess honestly there are two entirely different factors that must be considered, all of which are separate from each other. One is culture and the other is politics. What we have here in our failure to communicate is a failure to distinguish those three influences and lazily lump them all under "religion" --- the least important and least influential of the three.

Now why that lazy lumping? Just a theory, maybe because it's easier to go "I've read the Quran!" and think you've completed some kind of study with a finite content and then cherrypick whatever you want to build a case. Studying the culture is far more ambitious, hence FGM and "honor killing" become lumped under "religion" when it clearly belongs in "culture". Studying complex geopolitics and historical context is far more ambitious, and radical terrorism acts become "religion" when they clearly belong under "politics'".

Studies of culture (anthropology) and history don't have endings. One can never be "finished". But reading a book, hey you can get to the end of it, don your Peggy Lee mask and go "that's all there is". A bit like being helicoptered in to third base and thinking you hit a triple.

That is a great post worthy of its own thread!

What you say about history and the common rhetoric of dehumanization, that is what I see as well and it is worrisome.

 

[Issa]

Thanks Coyote. I welcome the idea as well...in fact you and few others are the reason I joined these forums to voice my opinion as a Muslims.
I have to admit though there is lot of hosility and bigotry....just one page before this a guy calls for killing Muslims, I'm sure I will report it and hopefully they keep an eye on the hater before he commits a massacre.

By DNA and race I'm caucasian, married to (white) most of my friends are white and love them to death. Growing up I had 0 ounce of racism, cause simply is forbidden in Islam "categorly", and we were mixed for too long to care about a persons color.
I spoke the language you understand, colors cause that's what you see....and through out different threads you portrayed yourself as a better European and Muslims are scums, I had to show you that you are no better and put you in the same basket as the bigots and racists. And now somehow you don't like it.

You do have a right to insult, it is free speech. But insults are not a sign of intelligence. So, without trying to sound rude, how can you repay stupidity with stupidity?

I don't often insult people, I'm not an attack poster Coyote tell Etherion that I'm not prone to insulting people.

Some issues get people passionate, the Anti-Islamisation of The West side are as committed and as strong in our opinion as the Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologist Cheerleaders are in theirs.

Neither side is going to blink in this, it's impossible to even find some common ground, it'll come to blood and guts just like it has many times in the past.

That's funny Oosie. In your first paragraph you go "I don't insult people" and in the next, you insult people.

And whem I say "funny" I mean in the sense of "peculiar".

As I already said on rare occasions I have a right to insult those who insult my intelligence.

They post babble and Propaganda, thats insulting my intelligence. Also in that Manchester suicide bombing thread, there was hardly a post Issa made where he wasn't insulting people calling people racist and also his many comments bashing White people.

Muslims are not a race.

A non-White bashing White people, Issa is the racist.

Lucy is European, so the latest extremist attack hit quite literally close to home and is a very emotional issue.

When we start throwing insults we all lose because the noise is so loud no one can hear.

Lucy Hamilton you one of the most intelligent and kind people I've met (behind the boards) and we've engaged in some potentially dicey conversations and found common ground. I would like to challenge you to get to know Issa in a similar way and vice versa as well.

I think we are all extremely sensitive to being labeled racist and bigots and it completely shuts down any further conversation and that's something I've slowly been becoming aware of not always successfully.

Most of Issa's posts were trying to be informative and most of the responses attacks on him and assumptions on what he believes. I think I'd be very hard pressed to not have descended into total flaming.

 

[Pogo]

This is for whoever said Muslims should be in the streets demanding an end to extremists. I saw it a minute ago but can't find the post again...

20 million Muslims march against ISIS

From the above link:

>> Large crowds visit the shrines of Imam Hussein and his half-brother Abbas in Karbala, where they were killed in a revolt against the Umayyad ruler Yazeed in the seventh century AD when they refused to pledge allegiance to Yazeed's Umayyad caliphate.<<​

"refused to pledge allegiance.... in the seventh century".

Contrary to the can't-prove-a-negative comic book fantasy writers, here's evidence that "Muslims" not only have a history of resisting political factions within their own religion, but that such history goes back over thirteen hundred years.

But hey, this is only "history". Duh Bubble will deal with it just like it declared "Hitler was a leftist", "FDR caused the Depression" and "O'bama caused the other Depression". They oughta get Special Ed on the case --- the guy who claims Thomas Jefferson started the Republican Party 28 years after his own death. Linear time stands no chance in the River DeNial.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Like I said earlier, Christian is clearly a racist and a religionophobe. He'd probably have behaved the same if he'd seen a man wearing a yarmulke, or if he'd seen someone wearing a crucifix, or if he'd seen a nun.
Indeed, there is evidence he has behaved this way before.

So, imho, the thread title is still misleading. He was equally 'phobic' about other religions - he refers to Jews as 'AshkeNAZI's' and was clearly a racist to boot.

"...The night before Jeremy Christian allegedly stabbed three people - killing two - police say that he was involved with an altercation, also on the MAX train. It happened at the Rose Quarter station.

Christian allegedly threw a bottle of Gatorade at a woman who is black. She then sprayed him with mace.

Later that evening, he was back on the MAX, police say.

Witnesses said he was very angry, complaining about Muslims, Christians, and Jews. He said they they should burn at the stake and spoke about wanting to stab people. The driver was informed but, it appears, that police were not informed until later.

Police are investigating that as well as the Friday night incident...."

Good job the black woman had mace.

Portland Train Stabbings: Missed Signals? Murder Suspect Was Involved In Altercations The Night Before

And lest we forget:


"...According to witnesses, a white male passenger riding an eastbound MAX train early Friday afternoon began yelling what “would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions,”

‘Final act of bravery’: Men who were fatally stabbed trying to stop anti-Muslim rants identified

His usual MO, it seems.

He was known to be a Bernie support, can't dislike jews that much. He is a racist who attacks blacks and a islamaphob who attacks Muslims. And I doubt he has a problem with Christianity if you can find evidence otherwise link it.

Man accused of Portland attack has history of racist rants | Daily Mail Online
White supremacist, 35, accused of the Portland train knife attack moaned about Muslims and Christians

Not a teabagger

 

[Pogo]

Like I said earlier, Christian is clearly a racist and a religionophobe. He'd probably have behaved the same if he'd seen a man wearing a yarmulke, or if he'd seen someone wearing a crucifix, or if he'd seen a nun.
Indeed, there is evidence he has behaved this way before.

So, imho, the thread title is still misleading. He was equally 'phobic' about other religions - he refers to Jews as 'AshkeNAZI's' and was clearly a racist to boot.

"...The night before Jeremy Christian allegedly stabbed three people - killing two - police say that he was involved with an altercation, also on the MAX train. It happened at the Rose Quarter station.

Christian allegedly threw a bottle of Gatorade at a woman who is black. She then sprayed him with mace.

Later that evening, he was back on the MAX, police say.

Witnesses said he was very angry, complaining about Muslims, Christians, and Jews. He said they they should burn at the stake and spoke about wanting to stab people. The driver was informed but, it appears, that police were not informed until later.

Police are investigating that as well as the Friday night incident...."

Good job the black woman had mace.

Portland Train Stabbings: Missed Signals? Murder Suspect Was Involved In Altercations The Night Before

And lest we forget:


"...According to witnesses, a white male passenger riding an eastbound MAX train early Friday afternoon began yelling what “would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions,”

‘Final act of bravery’: Men who were fatally stabbed trying to stop anti-Muslim rants identified

His usual MO, it seems.

He was known to be a Bernie support, can't dislike jews that much. He is a racist who attacks blacks and a islamaphob who attacks Muslims. And I doubt he has a problem with Christianity if you can find evidence otherwise link it.

Man accused of Portland attack has history of racist rants | Daily Mail Online
White supremacist, 35, accused of the Portland train knife attack moaned about Muslims and Christians

Not a teabagger

Jeremy Christian's sexual habits are not relevant here.

Although, once he gets into prison it's a fair bet he may become one....

 

[Scamp]

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

You don't know any muslims do you.

You didn't know the fact that they don

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

You don't know any muslims do you.

Most Islamic people do not use toilet paper look it up.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Libs once again caught in their own trap.........

 

[OldLady]

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

You don't know any muslims do you.

You didn't know the fact that they don

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

You don't know any muslims do you.

Most Islamic people do not use toilet paper look it up.

I did. Look up BIDET

 

[Issa]

Dozens died from gun violence and hate crimes since San Bernandidno. Yet no one cares not even the major news outlets.
Very low energy to combat the guy violence epidemic in the US.
Everywhere I go, I get asked....why there is so much gun violence? Why so many deaths in a so called civilised country? Why do they love their guns? Why they killed their loved ones and their Co workers? Ect.....
Go on hate on Muslims, cause they are the ones who kills thousands each year in the US.

 

[Scamp]

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

You don't know any muslims do you.

You didn't know the fact that they don

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

You don't know any muslims do you.

Most Islamic people do not use toilet paper look it up.

I did. Look up BIDET

See no toilet paper. Ewww.