growing Islamophobia

[Tilly]

Like I said earlier, Christian is clearly a racist and a religionophobe. He'd probably have behaved the same if he'd seen a man wearing a yarmulke, or if he'd seen someone wearing a crucifix, or if he'd seen a nun.
Indeed, there is evidence he has behaved this way before.

So, imho, the thread title is still misleading. He was equally 'phobic' about other religions - he refers to Jews as 'AshkeNAZI's' and was clearly a racist to boot.

"...The night before Jeremy Christian allegedly stabbed three people - killing two - police say that he was involved with an altercation, also on the MAX train. It happened at the Rose Quarter station.

Christian allegedly threw a bottle of Gatorade at a woman who is black. She then sprayed him with mace.

Later that evening, he was back on the MAX, police say.

Witnesses said he was very angry, complaining about Muslims, Christians, and Jews. He said they they should burn at the stake and spoke about wanting to stab people. The driver was informed but, it appears, that police were not informed until later.

Police are investigating that as well as the Friday night incident...."

Good job the black woman had mace.

Portland Train Stabbings: Missed Signals? Murder Suspect Was Involved In Altercations The Night Before

And lest we forget:


"...According to witnesses, a white male passenger riding an eastbound MAX train early Friday afternoon began yelling what “would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions,”

‘Final act of bravery’: Men who were fatally stabbed trying to stop anti-Muslim rants identified

His usual MO, it seems.

 

[Scamp]

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

 

[Pogo]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

You posted the same thing before. Then I asked for proof. Then you ran away.

Have we started again then?

When people even online when the IRA was bombing things?

I'm thinking not, and Muslim terrorists are much worse.

Doesn't matter, Lying Asscrack -- the point was, is, and evermore shall be, for those of you in the illiterate section cheap seats this is like the eighth time now ---- that when the IRA (or Eric Rudolph, or Hitler, etc) did its thing no asscrack chimed in "duh hey, nuke duh Vatican!".

And why didn't anybody say that?

BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ******* STUPID

When did I lie, you ******* piece of shit terrorist apologist?

Post it up, ******.

You're worse than that dead rat in my neighbor's yard, seriously.

Trigggggerrrrreeeed

I'd go with "addled" Or to keep in form, addddddllllllled

 

[Marion Morrison]

Two men have been killed as they tried to stop a man abusing two women who appeared to be Muslim, police in the US city of Portland say.

The abusive man turned on the two men and fatally stabbed them, police said.


The Council on American-Islamic Relations urged President Trump to speak out against increasing Islamophobia in the US.


It accused the president of exacerbating the trend with his statements and policies.


Police have identified the suspect as Jeremy Joseph Christian, 35. He has been charged with offences including aggravated murder, attempted murder, intimidation and being a felon in possession of a restricted weapon.

"Suspect was on the train and he was yelling and ranting and raving a lot of different things, including what would be characterised as hate speech or biased language," said Sgt Pete Simpson.


"In the midst of his ranting and raving, some people approached him, appeared to try to intervene with his behaviour. Some of the people that he was yelling at, they were attacked viciously by the suspect, resulting in the two deaths and one injury."

Jeremy Joseph Christian was arrested shortly after he got off the train. The two women he was abusing - one of whom was said by eyewitnesses to have been wearing a headscarf - left the scene before police could speak to them.

However one of the girls' parents later told the Oregonian newspaper that they were teenagers, one black and one Muslim.

Dyjuana Hudson said the attacker "was saying that Muslims should die."

Yeah, Islam is a poor little victim of unwarranted fear? Have you read the news in the last 16 years? People are more likely to be attacked by Muslims than any "Islamophobic backlash", are you kidding? What that guy did in Portland was vile and inexcusable. Killing innocent people is wrong and that's why we non Muslims fear Islam, or extremist of any stripe. I am an Islamophobe. I despise Islam as the kool- aid drinking self deluded uncritical hateful theists they ARE.

Yeah the nerve of that teenage girl, having the temerity to sit on public transit minding her own business.
Well I never.

Really? Cheap shot. Does Islam understand the concept of innocence? Because we in the west (you and I) do.9/11, kidnapping girls and selling them into sexual slavery, THAT is the ISLAM I am talking about. And you know damned well what I meant.

Cheap shot? Yes that does describe your own post, indeed. So yeah I do know what you meant. It's called deflection. Read the OP.

If anyone knows deflection and spin, it's Pogo.

He is well-versed in deflection and spinology.

 

[Pogo]

Yeah I read it, didn't see anything with real references. All I saw was inferences. There's a difference, believe it or not.

So link to bible verses condoning rape=-? Book, chapter, and verse, please.

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

So for people to bring The Bible into this is completely ridiculous. Also most Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologists are Athiests or just straight up God Haters, this is why they always have to bring The Bible and Christians into their deflection away from their love in with Islam, it's their favourite deflection and they're crap at it, they are crap at deflection in general.

It's not ridiculous, and here is why.

The argument made against Muslims is that the religion as a whole is "evil" and full of violence because it's so in the Quran. The implication is that this can never change. Yet, Christians don't follow the violent passages. In fact, neither do many Muslims.

Yeah, you still didn't point out the rape condonation in the Bible, and the Quran says to kill the kafir where you find them, or make them submit and pay the jizyah. I'm not saying that there aren't good Muslim people, I'm saying the doctrine is evil to the core.

It says so in the quran.

I mentioned all of that in the Manchester suicide bombing thread and the same crowd that's in this thread had the identical reaction they have in this thread.

Unlike most of them, I've read The Qur'an.

I suspect most of them have as well

If you ever take a comparitive religion class - it's part of the required reading

I've never taken a formal class as such, though I did get real interested in religions in general (and cultures in general) way back when I was a teenager, and my voracious reading when into something probably exceeds formal classes, but I'm not so much interested in the text of what's in the Quran (or the Bible, the Torah, Bhagavad Gita, etc etc except as historical artifact. I think it's far more relevant to know the real-world practices and sensibilities as its people express them. So I draw comparisons of the various despised images of Christians, of Jews, of Moslems, all of which I have personal experience with, and that comparison makes obvious where the bullshit gap is, in all of them.

And that bullshit gap is remarkably similar in all of them, Virtually interchangeable. We've got the Islam flavor here but the Third Reich's anti-Jew rhetoric, the "Papist" bullshit, they're virtually interchangeable. It's always the enemy camp of evil monsters who are out to "take over". That tells us that the common thread is not anything inherent in Christianity, in Judaism, in Islam, etc, but rather in human paranoia.

The more one sees this shit go on, the more familiar it looks, even when the hate-object shifts from one religion to another. Two other ways of saying this: "those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it" is one, and the other is "we have always been at war with Eastasia", even though yesterday we had always been at war with Oceania.

Perhaps that's why those of us who see through this charade tend to be the older ones. We've seen this movie before.

But all of that is religion only, which is in no way the only influence that makes people tick. If one is going to assess honestly there are two entirely different factors that must be considered, all of which are separate from each other. One is culture and the other is politics. What we have here in our failure to communicate is a failure to distinguish those three influences and lazily lump them all under "religion" --- the least important and least influential of the three.

Now why that lazy lumping? Just a theory, maybe because it's easier to go "I've read the Quran!" and think you've completed some kind of study with a finite content and then cherrypick whatever you want to build a case. Studying the culture is far more ambitious, hence FGM and "honor killing" become lumped under "religion" when it clearly belongs in "culture". Studying complex geopolitics and historical context is far more ambitious, and radical terrorism acts become "religion" when they clearly belong under "politics'".

Studies of culture (anthropology) and history don't have endings. One can never be "finished". But reading a book, hey you can get to the end of it, don your Peggy Lee mask and go "that's all there is". A bit like being helicoptered in to third base and thinking you hit a triple.

 

[Pogo]

I'm beginning to think most liberals don't know what a "phobia" is.

Killing someone or threatening them because they are "x" is not a phobia. It could be many things, a phobia is not one of them.

Agreed. This incident and others like it are not expressing irrational "fear" of Islam, though that's an initial part of it. They're expressing irrational hatred of it. Whatever that word is.

That's always born out of fear, and the fear is always born of ignorance. We all know the psychological path, don't get hung up two words into the title; it's really about an event.

 

[Pogo]

I'm beginning to think most liberals don't know what a "phobia" is.

Killing someone or threatening them because they are "x" is not a phobia. It could be many things, a phobia is not one of them.

I think Islamophobia is a poor choice of words. It's more like anti-semitism so perhaps anti-islamism is a better term.

Going back to the Greek, perhaps the word we want is "Islamisia"? We'd have to coin it here though.
(misia as in misanthropy, misogyny etc)

Odd that we don't have a consensus term for something there's so much of.

 

[Pogo]

That's just because I've read the bible 3x, but what do I know?

You've read the Bible three times and still think it's okay to commit religious genocide?

Interesting.

For those passages he subbed the job out to Evelyn Wood.

That's just because I've read the bible 3x, but what do I know?

You've read the Bible three times and still think it's okay to commit religious genocide?

Interesting.

Islamists worship a moon-rock-type god.

Not the real God.

Oh goody! It's Double Standard again!
I miss you, Double Standard, it's been so long. Several seconds in a row. It was torture.

What a rare find, Double Standard on a message board. I feel like a bird watcher who just scored a pigeon.

 

[Brynmr]

Agreed. This incident and others like it are not expressing irrational "fear" of Islam, though that's an initial part of it. They're expressing irrational hatred of it. Whatever that word is.

That's always born out of fear, and the fear is always born of ignorance. We all know the psychological path, don't get hung up two words into the title; it's really about an event.

What a load of psycho-babbled crap. First of all, "irrational hatred" isn't a phobia.

Definition of phobia
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

Secondly, hatred is an extreme dislike or disgust of something. To not dislike an ideology that wants you and your children bowing to an evil god or dead, would be insane. I HATE Islam but I DON'T fear it.

 

[Pogo]

Circumcision in Islam is a must for men . Best decision ever
Female circumvision is not an Islamic thing, but purely cultural, in the horn of Africa and some Asian countries.

What would Muslim countries do with GAYS? Is anyone naive enogh to to believe homosexuals would be treated fairly and with the utmost human dignity and rights in any Muslim country? Hmm, They cut off a woman's clitoris, and call it female circumcision? Euphemisms. We don't allow that in the west. Is it just a coincidence that liberals defend Islam? The very thing that would destroy them?

But they don't circumcise the men, so there's smegma aplenty. I apologize, but that's the facts.

Circumcision of either gender is a cultural artifact. It's way older than established religions.

One of those body bizzarities humans come up with along with penile incision and lip plates. In our own land we have women, and now men, with pierced ears, and nobody thinks that's a religious thing.

 

[Pogo]

Agreed. This incident and others like it are not expressing irrational "fear" of Islam, though that's an initial part of it. They're expressing irrational hatred of it. Whatever that word is.

That's always born out of fear, and the fear is always born of ignorance. We all know the psychological path, don't get hung up two words into the title; it's really about an event.

What a load of psycho-babbled crap. First of all, "irrational hatred" isn't a phobia.

Definition of phobia
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

Secondly, hatred is an extreme dislike or disgust of something. To not dislike an ideology that wants you and your children bowing to an evil god or dead, would be insane. I HATE Islam but I DON'T fear it.

No shit Sherlock. I just distinguished between "fear" and "hatred" that was the whole POINT.

You didn't even bother to read a short post.

 

[Brynmr]

but I'm not so much interested in the text of what's in the Quran (or the Bible, the Torah, Bhagavad Gita, etc etc except as historical artifact.

We can clearly see this. Translation: you're ignorant of what the unholy Koran teaches.

 

[Brynmr]

Agreed. This incident and others like it are not expressing irrational "fear" of Islam, though that's an initial part of it. They're expressing irrational hatred of it. Whatever that word is.

That's always born out of fear, and the fear is always born of ignorance. We all know the psychological path, don't get hung up two words into the title; it's really about an event.

What a load of psycho-babbled crap. First of all, "irrational hatred" isn't a phobia.

Definition of phobia
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

Secondly, hatred is an extreme dislike or disgust of something. To not dislike an ideology that wants you and your children bowing to an evil god or dead, would be insane. I HATE Islam but I DON'T fear it.

No shit Sherlock. I just distinguished between "fear" and "hatred" that was the whole POINT.

You didn't even bother to read a short post.

Oh, this must be a new Liberal tactic. Denial of any understanding of what you just stated.

It's impossible to debate with someone like Pogo who can't even understand what they're saying. Good Lord!

 

[Aries]

For all those who would rather attack my title than address the growing issue here.

Islamaphobia is defined as
dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

Can we now drop the title issue and pay attention the the important stuff??

 

[Aries]

Like I said earlier, Christian is clearly a racist and a religionophobe. He'd probably have behaved the same if he'd seen a man wearing a yarmulke, or if he'd seen someone wearing a crucifix, or if he'd seen a nun.
Indeed, there is evidence he has behaved this way before.

So, imho, the thread title is still misleading. He was equally 'phobic' about other religions - he refers to Jews as 'AshkeNAZI's' and was clearly a racist to boot.

"...The night before Jeremy Christian allegedly stabbed three people - killing two - police say that he was involved with an altercation, also on the MAX train. It happened at the Rose Quarter station.

Christian allegedly threw a bottle of Gatorade at a woman who is black. She then sprayed him with mace.

Later that evening, he was back on the MAX, police say.

Witnesses said he was very angry, complaining about Muslims, Christians, and Jews. He said they they should burn at the stake and spoke about wanting to stab people. The driver was informed but, it appears, that police were not informed until later.

Police are investigating that as well as the Friday night incident...."

Good job the black woman had mace.

Portland Train Stabbings: Missed Signals? Murder Suspect Was Involved In Altercations The Night Before

And lest we forget:


"...According to witnesses, a white male passenger riding an eastbound MAX train early Friday afternoon began yelling what “would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions,”

‘Final act of bravery’: Men who were fatally stabbed trying to stop anti-Muslim rants identified

His usual MO, it seems.

He was known to be a Bernie support, can't dislike jews that much. He is a racist who attacks blacks and a islamaphob who attacks Muslims. And I doubt he has a problem with Christianity if you can find evidence otherwise link it.

 

[Brynmr]

For all those who would rather attack my title than address the growing issue here.

Islamaphobia is defined as
dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

WRONG! Another Liberal idiot who can't even define a phobia.

 

[OldLady]

It looks like many of us are done. Done with Islamophobia. Done with kissing muzz ass. Done with feeling sorry for the muzz and muzz lovers.

This was a street crime. There's a lot of it going around. More people have been killed for being white than being muzz. Being muzz does not confer an immunity that protects against the crazies that the rest of us have to face.

It is terrible that two men were killed. They could have been killed trying to stop a convenience store robbery too. Muslims better get used to random crime. After all, we're told that we should get used to random muslim terrorist attacks. Well, they aren't the only ones.

Street crime? Sure it wasn't workplace violence?

Did they all work together?

Islamophobia means fear of islam. No one is afraid of islam. Disgusted, fed up perhaps but no fear.

I didn't name the thread. My point is, this was definitely NOT a "street crime," anymore than SanBernardino was workplace violence.

 

[OldLady]

Most of those Islamic people don't even use toilet paper. They wipe their ass with their bare hand.

That's scary.

Bidets, Scamp.

 

[OldLady]

For all those who would rather attack my title than address the growing issue here.

Islamaphobia is defined as
dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

Can we now drop the title issue and pay attention the the important stuff??

Nope. It's how they'll turn the thread AWAY from the important stuff. Whining about Christian hatred will be next.

 

[Coyote]

I'm more concerned with preservation of the American way life, myself.


Some of that may include hog farming.

And bacon


And **** Muslims, if they have a problem with that.

GTFO> Or..We do have pigs.

I doubt they do. Just like observant Jews. You eat your bacon they'll eat their whatever.