Grilled Elephant...

[AVG-JOE]

"They may have had some targeted, limited, novelty success in the last mid-term election..."

Hmmm...interesting way to describe a total ******* ass kicking.

It wasn't an 'ass kicking', it was a 'slap in the face'. There is a HUGE difference in politics.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Most of you are probably aware that the Tea Cups are turning up the heat on the Republican leadership.

Special report: Stuck between the Tea Party and a hard place | Reuters

Max Weber said that politics is the slow boring of hard woods but they seem to want to use a shot gun. How do you reason with the unreasonable? What do you say to someone who's position seems to be limited to "I'm right, you're wrong. **** YOU!!!"

Life doesn't work like that, politics certainty don't work like that. They may have had some targeted, limited, novelty success in the last mid-term election but in the end humans are tribal beings and would prefer to walk the path of the reasonable peace.

James Madison once said "What we are attempting to create here is a harmonious system of mutual frustration" No on gets everything they want but they don't seem to want to hear that.

Its going to be a cold winter if they burn the house down to make a point.

For once someone is holding Politicians accountable for once a group of people have gotten together to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Nobody asks perfection but the absolute clusterfuck we have now has got to be reversed these Politicians answer to the American people we don't answer to the Politicians.

Ya I know everyone has an agenda there are no two people who can agree on anything but the answer isn't to do nothing because these fools in Government don't give a shit about how much damage they are doing to our nation.

Of course its fucked up, but its fucked up because we're fucked up. Look at this board, most of us agree on nothing. That's fine because its not our job to get along. But they have to in some fashion or at best nothing gets done, at worst we start shooting at one another and I don't want to shoot you Robert, you seem like a really Nice Guy

Digging your heels in like the Tea Party and then threatening those that wish to do real work is counterproductive.

Dude... Most of us agree on a LOT - that's why we've been here scrapping like siblings for years - some for many years.

 

[AVG-JOE]

What do you say to someone who's position seems to be limited to "I'm right, you're wrong. **** YOU!!!"

You mean like Mr/Mrs "We won the election" Obama/Pelosi?

You really see that in Obama? I have no love lost for his administration, but I don't see it as obstructionist.

 

[Nic_Driver]

What do you say to someone who's position seems to be limited to "I'm right, you're wrong. **** YOU!

This has been the question asked of the GOP for some time now...how do you debate with someone who won't?

 

[xsited1]

Most of you are probably aware that the Tea Cups are turning up the heat on the Republican leadership.
...

America needs a viable 3rd party and the 48 States that have a "winner-takes-all rule" for the Electoral College should consider getting rid of that stupid rule. Much of the GOP is just like the Democrat Party which is why very little "good" comes out of Washington.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Most of you are probably aware that the Tea Cups are turning up the heat on the Republican leadership.

Special report: Stuck between the Tea Party and a hard place | Reuters

Max Weber said that politics is the slow boring of hard woods but they seem to want to use a shot gun. How do you reason with the unreasonable? What do you say to someone who's position seems to be limited to "I'm right, you're wrong. **** YOU!!!"

Life doesn't work like that, politics certainty don't work like that. They may have had some targeted, limited, novelty success in the last mid-term election but in the end humans are tribal beings and would prefer to walk the path of the reasonable peace.

James Madison once said "What we are attempting to create here is a harmonious system of mutual frustration" No on gets everything they want but they don't seem to want to hear that.

Its going to be a cold winter if they burn the house down to make a point.

Boats dont float if you keep drilling holes in the boat. Dont blame those who are trying to stop the leaks and the holemakers.
You want everyone to drown thats on you.

 

[AVG-JOE]

For once someone is holding Politicians accountable for once a group of people have gotten together to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Nobody asks perfection but the absolute clusterfuck we have now has got to be reversed these Politicians answer to the American people we don't answer to the Politicians.

Ya I know everyone has an agenda there are no two people who can agree on anything but the answer isn't to do nothing because these fools in Government don't give a shit about how much damage they are doing to our nation.

Of course its fucked up, but its fucked up because we're fucked up. Look at this board, most of us agree on nothing. That's fine because its not our job to get along. But they have to in some fashion or at best nothing gets done, at worst we start shooting at one another and I don't want to shoot you Robert, you seem like a really Nice Guy

Digging your heels in like the Tea Party and then threatening those that wish to do real work is counterproductive.

Honestly I'm wondering how much longer its going to be before we reach the point of no return this crap is so utterly out of control its scary to think how fast and and far we've fallen since the sixty's.

Our Nation not the world our Nation is teetering on the brink we as a people are so divided its not going to take much of a spark to set it alight and to my utter amazement it is the same bastards we've put into office that are driving the division.

I really don't have a problem with the Tea Party holding these idiot's to task I just wish the other side would pull it's collective head out of its ass and do the same thing.

The issue's are pretty simple we cannot continue the trend that we are on IMO should we continue this our nation will cease to exist, when it does everything we take for granted today will be gone I don't think that's the answer we as a people are looking for but it may be what it takes.

The Democrats need a 'D-Party' movement.

Maybe a 'Double D' movement....​

 

[editec]

If the Republicans lose the debt limit battle, more Tea Party groups say they will aggressively seek candidates to challenge establishment figures in the 2012 primaries.

"At this point, all of them are potential targets," said Dawn Wildman, president of the SoCal Tax Revolt Coalition, who lives in San Diego. "All the way up to Boehner."

source

I laugh and laugh and laugh.

Our disenchanted bretheren in the Tea Party movement are proving to be somewhat more than the Republican puppetmasters imagined them to be.

The Astrotuff grassroots that the RNC insiders thought they could use in their ongoing internacine political farce against the DNC insiders has become all too real.

All I can say, despite the fact that I think you TP players are wrong on just about every count regarding what must be done to save this nation is this

YOU GO CITIZENS!​

You are SAMSON pulling down the house that the PHILISTINES have STOLEN from you and your children.​

Here's what you can expect, next...take it from an old HIPPIE.​

You, citizens, will be villified and castigated in the media.​

You will be mocked. Your positions, your points of view, your raison d etre will be distorted beyond all recognition.​

You are starting a political revolution against a system that is so corrupt that it has its hands on the tillers of every farsical democratic institution this land has.​

The people who you are standing up against are the collective leaderships of both parties who are merely the FRONT men in a LONG GRIFT that is evidenced by this absurd national debt.​

You are now, in the tradition of late 19th and early 20th century European radicals --- ANARCHISTS.​

PUBLIC DEBT?????​

The United States of America, the MOST PRODUCTIVE ECONOMY IN HUMAN HISTORY is in DEBT?!​

To whom?

The BANSTERS , kiddies, that class of RICO gangsters who OWN our govermentS.​

Most of you folks probably only want to reform this system, right?​

You cannot.​

The masters of the universe will NOT, they CAN NOT let that happen​

You can only destroy their system (and this nation) to change it.​

And yes, the NATIONAL DEBT is their achilles heel. ​

That is the evidence of the insiders GRIFT.​

SOMEBODY in your movement is one damned smart cookie, folks.​

Time to stockpile food, citizens.​

Time to start thinking about how we can come together as our dollars collapses, as imports dry up, and because why?​

The BANKSTER repression is about to start.​

The reactionary counter revolution will come at all of us as the invisible ASSASSIN of the market.​

So, assuming that the FIX isn't in, assuming that you can prevent the insiders from expanding this debt?​

The revolution many of you have been waiting for is about to start.​

I'm not sure anybody really can be ready for something like this but...​

I hope you're ready for it.​

 

[editec]

Most of you are probably aware that the Tea Cups are turning up the heat on the Republican leadership.

Special report: Stuck between the Tea Party and a hard place | Reuters

Max Weber said that politics is the slow boring of hard woods but they seem to want to use a shot gun. How do you reason with the unreasonable? What do you say to someone who's position seems to be limited to "I'm right, you're wrong. **** YOU!!!"

Life doesn't work like that, politics certainty don't work like that. They may have had some targeted, limited, novelty success in the last mid-term election but in the end humans are tribal beings and would prefer to walk the path of the reasonable peace.

James Madison once said "What we are attempting to create here is a harmonious system of mutual frustration" No on gets everything they want but they don't seem to want to hear that.

Its going to be a cold winter if they burn the house down to make a point.

For once someone is holding Politicians accountable for once a group of people have gotten together to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Nobody asks perfection but the absolute clusterfuck we have now has got to be reversed these Politicians answer to the American people we don't answer to the Politicians.

Ya I know everyone has an agenda there are no two people who can agree on anything but the answer isn't to do nothing because these fools in Government don't give a shit about how much damage they are doing to our nation.

Of course its fucked up, but its fucked up because we're fucked up. Look at this board, most of us agree on nothing. That's fine because its not our job to get along. But they have to in some fashion or at best nothing gets done, at worst we start shooting at one another and I don't want to shoot you Robert, you seem like a really Nice Guy

Digging your heels in like the Tea Party and then threatening those that wish to do real work is counterproductive.

EXACTLY.

Your neighbors, and the people like us on countless boards are NOT the enemy.

Who is?

FOLLOW THE MONEY

 

[editec]

What about those that fundamentally disagree with what you stand for? Not because you're a bad person but just because they have a different point of view. How are the people that represent the both of you to govern if you don't want them to compromise?

Those who fundamentally disagree with what I stand for are my enemies, and I will treat them as such. They will find only the mercy of a quick stroke of my sword, whether that weapon by physical or philosophical. There is no middle ground. Me or Them. Two men enter, one man leaves.

I am an Authoritarian. I hold no great interest in Democracy or Republicanism. Both allow the incompetent, the stupid, and the dull-witted way too much influence in the system. In this country the incompetent and the uneducated elect the circus clown who most willingly plies them with sweet words to go and entertain them further in the center ring of the circus (Washington) or one of the side rings (The State and Local Governments) while the clown steals them blind at every turn.

Spoken like a STALINIST.

Well...I applaude your honesty even if I think you're a damned fool.

 

[editec]

For once someone is holding Politicians accountable for once a group of people have gotten together to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Nobody asks perfection but the absolute clusterfuck we have now has got to be reversed these Politicians answer to the American people we don't answer to the Politicians.

Ya I know everyone has an agenda there are no two people who can agree on anything but the answer isn't to do nothing because these fools in Government don't give a shit about how much damage they are doing to our nation.

Of course its fucked up, but its fucked up because we're fucked up. Look at this board, most of us agree on nothing. That's fine because its not our job to get along. But they have to in some fashion or at best nothing gets done, at worst we start shooting at one another and I don't want to shoot you Robert, you seem like a really Nice Guy

Digging your heels in like the Tea Party and then threatening those that wish to do real work is counterproductive.

Honestly I'm wondering how much longer its going to be before we reach the point of no return this crap is so utterly out of control its scary to think how fast and and far we've fallen since the sixty's.

Word, bro. This is NOT the America any of us signed on for.

Our Nation not the world our Nation is teetering on the brink we as a people are so divided its not going to take much of a spark to set it alight and to my utter amazement it is the same bastards we've put into office that are driving the division.

Now that doesn't surprise me. That's is how they have been manipulating us to give THEM the power for my entire lifetime.

I really don't have a problem with the Tea Party holding these idiot's to task I just wish the other side would pull it's collective head out of its ass and do the same thing.

It tied. believe me, it tried. Remember the hippies and the Yippies? People today think they're a joke, why?

Because the masters of propaganda have been rewriting their history for the last 50 ******* years, that's why

The issue's are pretty simple we cannot continue the trend that we are on IMO should we continue this our nation will cease to exist, when it does everything we take for granted today will be gone I don't think that's the answer we as a people are looking for but it may be what it takes.

That's about the size of it.

You're either on the STOCKHOLM SYDROME bus or you're not.

When I believe the tea party movement was nothing but a tool of the RNC team of the masters, then I had no hope.

But if they truly do destroy this SHAM-ECONOMY, then, of course, I am more than willing to admit that I was mistaken.

Well see, won't we?

Can the teaparty destroy the national economy to save the nation?

Nobody knows.

But if the USA renegss on its outstanding debts?

The people of the USA will have crossed a Rubicon and there will be no turning back.

If it does, it is going to be a shitstorm of change.

 

[NoEconomist]

Wow....We made it to three pages with no one calling anyone else an idiot

Peoples point of view comes across much clearer when we aren't repetitively berating one another.

 

[JimH52]

"They may have had some targeted, limited, novelty success in the last mid-term election..."

Hmmm...interesting way to describe a total ******* ass kicking.

The GOP could have won the Senate, had it not been for the loons that the tea baggers had nominated. It is only the first of many tea baggers induced losses. It will be fun to watch!

 

[Anachronism]

This has been the question asked of the GOP for some time now...how do you debate with someone who won't?

What you folks fail to comprehend is that Conservatives have no interest in debate or compromise. We never have and never will. It's not our way of doing things.

 

[Anachronism]

Spoken like a STALINIST.

Well...I applaude your honesty even if I think you're a damned fool.

Actually I'm much more of a Feudalist than I am anything else. I'm in favor of a return to a structure similar to 12th-13th Century European Feudalism more than anything else.

 

[JimH52]

This has been the question asked of the GOP for some time now...how do you debate with someone who won't?

What you folks fail to comprehend is that Conservatives have no interest in debate or compromise. We never have and never will. It's not our way of doing things.

So Dogmatic is the word. I see the Tea Baggers are beginning to take their toll.

 

[Old Rocks]

No, it is NOT the job of my elected representatives to "GET ALONG". That is the LAST thing I would want them doing, if I felt any of them represented ME at all. Compromise is for those people who don't actually BELIEVE IN or STAND FOR anything. Leadership is doing what's RIGHT instead of what's EASY. All too often people in this country forget that. Especially those in elected office.



Digging the heels in IS the Real Work. Being willing to do what's Right instead of what is Easy or Going Along to Get Along is the Real Work. If somebody tells me they won't FIGHT for something, I don't believe they actually care about it.

What about those that fundamentally disagree with what you stand for? Not because you're a bad person but just because they have a different point of view. How are the people that represent the both of you to govern if you don't want them to compromise?

What do you want? Conservative Americans get together and put pressure on the political party that is closest to representing their views. Why do lefties hate the Tea Party for influencing the republican party? The dirty little secret is that the socialist and communist factions that influence the democrat party prefer to take a low profile or remain anonymous. Liberal democrats are even afraid to use the "L" word in public. That's how degenerate the left wing has become.

LOL. Well, this blue collar liberal 2nd Amendment Democrat has never been afraid to declare himself a liberal in public. Not afraid to confront dumbass Conservatives about their idiocy and desire to destroy the fabric of this nation, either.

As far as the Teabaggers are concerned, I wish them all the luck in the world with the GOP. These factions deserve each other.

 

[Old Rocks]

Spoken like a STALINIST.

Well...I applaude your honesty even if I think you're a damned fool.

Actually I'm much more of a Feudalist than I am anything else. I'm in favor of a return to a structure similar to 12th-13th Century European Feudalism more than anything else.

And, of course, you see your natural position as a King, correct.

 

[Old Rocks]

This has been the question asked of the GOP for some time now...how do you debate with someone who won't?

What you folks fail to comprehend is that Conservatives have no interest in debate or compromise. We never have and never will. It's not our way of doing things.

Well now, I have known that for some time. I believe that our President has finally learned that. The people of Wisconsin certainly have and are preparing to do something about that. 2012 is going to be an interesting year on all fronts.

 

[Anachronism]

And, of course, you see your natural position as a King, correct.

Nope. Not at all. I see my position as a Huscarl.... a paid soldier in the permanent employ of a Lord.

So Dogmatic is the word. I see the Tea Baggers are beginning to take their toll.

Dogmatic in a way. It's more about the ideal that there is no room to compromise if one truly believes in something. The Tea Party has nothing to do with it in my case. I've believed this since long before they arrived and will long after they're gone.

Well now, I have known that for some time. I believe that our President has finally learned that. The people of Wisconsin certainly have and are preparing to do something about that. 2012 is going to be an interesting year on all fronts.

That's why some of us believe in bullets rather than ballots, Rocks.