Greta Von Death Metal, killer climate song.

[SSDD]

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you? I asked you to name some specific piece of science funded by the koch brothers that is demonstrably false...

I did that. Too stupid to get it, aren't you?

By all means...point out where you did and prove you aren’t a liar...

good luck with that.....liar

 

[JoeB131]

By all means...point out where you did and prove you aren’t a liar...

Already did, Koch-sucker.

 

[SSDD]

By all means...point out where you did and prove you aren’t a liar...

Already did, Koch-sucker.

So now you are reduced to simply perpetuating your lie....we both know that you couldn't point out where you named any specific piece of science and demonstrated that it was false...anyone bothering to look can easily see that you haven't...and in turn, have prima facie evidence that you are a liar. Thanks. It is always good to catch you guys in a lie and be able to have you prove it for me. So much more convincing than if I have to prove it myself.

 

[JoeB131]

So now you are reduced to simply perpetuating your lie....we both know that you couldn't point out where you named any specific piece of science and demonstrated that it was false...anyone bothering to look can easily see that you haven't...and in turn, have prima facie evidence that you are a liar. Thanks. It is always good to catch you guys in a lie and be able to have you prove it for me. So much more convincing than if I have to prove it myself.

Yawn, guy, it's well known that the Koch Brothers started the denial movement the minute they realized that a carbon Free world would take all their money away.

Follow the money.

 

[SSDD]

So now you are reduced to simply perpetuating your lie....we both know that you couldn't point out where you named any specific piece of science and demonstrated that it was false...anyone bothering to look can easily see that you haven't...and in turn, have prima facie evidence that you are a liar. Thanks. It is always good to catch you guys in a lie and be able to have you prove it for me. So much more convincing than if I have to prove it myself.

Yawn, guy, it's well known that the Koch Brothers started the denial movement the minute they realized that a carbon Free world would take all their money away.

Follow the money.

The wait will continue forever for you to name even a single piece of peer reviewed, published research funded by the koch brothers that is demonstrably false...

If you could name any such research, you would have...but you didn't ...you only posted blog entries which only promoted vague conspiracy theories and didn't name any particular research..

Like I said, you don't actually look for any sort of information on your own...you simply believe what people who share your politics tell you to believe..

Now you have been caught lying flat out....for how many pages will you perpetuate your lie? We both know you won't be providing the information you lied about...because no such information exists...

The main problem with being stupid and telling lies is that you can only come up with a lie that you believe is good enough to fool yourself. Maybe when someone simply states that they did this or that, you simply believe it because they told you...after all, you believe in AGW because someone told you to believe...not because you saw any actual evidence to support the claim.

But for most people....thinking people that is, some evidence is required. Everyone knows that if you actually had provided the information you claimed to have provided and I challenged you on it, you would have slapped me down with my error....You didn't...because you couldn't.

Catching people like you in lies is as easy as catching children in lies.. Like a child, you didn't think far enough ahead to even consider that I might ask you to point to the information you lied about providing....

 

[JoeB131]

The wait will continue forever for you to name even a single piece of peer reviewed, published research funded by the koch brothers that is demonstrably false...

I'm sure you'll keep whining, "Why can't you point out the specific report" when it has already been established that's exactly what they did.

David Koch Escaped the Climate Hell He Helped Create

In the 1990s, as the world moved toward an awakening on climate change and the need to address it, the Koch machine moved to block any regulations or price on carbon that would cut into their profits by funding doubt and denial. Greenpeace estimates the brothers spent $127 million from 1997 to 2017 funding 92 organizations that muddied the waters on climate change, a move that helped make international efforts to combat climate change, like the Kyoto Protocol, worthless. They funded a network of overlapping climate denial organizations to kill a 2009 bill that would have created a cap and trade system, a very business-friendly climate solution they rejected on principle.

 

[SSDD]

The wait will continue forever for you to name even a single piece of peer reviewed, published research funded by the koch brothers that is demonstrably false...

I'm sure you'll keep whining, "Why can't you point out the specific report" when it has already been established that's exactly what they did.

David Koch Escaped the Climate Hell He Helped Create

In the 1990s, as the world moved toward an awakening on climate change and the need to address it, the Koch machine moved to block any regulations or price on carbon that would cut into their profits by funding doubt and denial. Greenpeace estimates the brothers spent $127 million from 1997 to 2017 funding 92 organizations that muddied the waters on climate change, a move that helped make international efforts to combat climate change, like the Kyoto Protocol, worthless. They funded a network of overlapping climate denial organizations to kill a 2009 bill that would have created a cap and trade system, a very business-friendly climate solution they rejected on principle.

Grab yourself a dictionary and look up the word specific. I asked for you to name any specific piece of published science that the koch brothers financed that was demonstrably false...

you provide a blog promoting a conspiracy theory and claim that it is evidence..you really are that stupid...aren't you? That sort of crap is, in your mind actual evidence isn't it?


All your blog piece does is highlight the fact that there was not anything like enough actual evidence to support the AGW hypothesis. If there were actual evidence...hard science...then "muddying the water" would not be possible..

Do you think that there is enough money in the world to "muddy the water" regarding.....say...the science regarding chemical reactions? The science there is solid...demonsrtable....repeatable... No such evidence exists supporting the AGW hypothesis so calling it into question is what science itself should have been doing...and not need an independent party to be pointing out the weaknesses...

So like I said....you can't name any specific piece of science funded by the koch brothers that is demonstrably false...you lied...then you either lied about providing evidence or are so stupid that you wouldn't know what actual evidence is if it bit you in the ass...

Your blog entry is a conspiracy theory..not evidence...but clearly , that is all that it takes to fool you...vague accusations will do it for you..

 

[JoeB131]

Grab yourself a dictionary and look up the word specific. I asked for you to name any specific piece of published science that the koch brothers financed that was demonstrably false...

You can ask for a lot of things.. I've proven my point that all the "science" that doubts the consensus was funded by the Koch brothers...

Look, man, I get it. Asking you to not be a selfish asshole and think about future generations is REALLY HARD.

 

[SSDD]

Grab yourself a dictionary and look up the word specific. I asked for you to name any specific piece of published science that the koch brothers financed that was demonstrably false...

You can ask for a lot of things.. I've proven my point that all the "science" that doubts the consensus was funded by the Koch brothers...

If your point was that you believe in conspiracy theories, then yes...you proven your point.

If your point was that blog rants rise to the level of evidence of anything to you...then yes, you have proven your point.

If your point was that you will lie....then yes you have proven your point.

If your point was that you are easily fooled, and will believe outrageous stories with no evidence to support them....then yes, you have proven your point.

If your point was that you are a willing dupe and useful idiot...then yes, you have proven your point in spades...

If your point was, however, that you can point to any specific piece of science funded by the koch brothers which is demonstrably false...than no..you have not proven your point..you haven't even come close.

Look, man, I get it. Asking you to not be a selfish asshole and think about future generations is REALLY HARD.

I do think about future generations...I think about them a great deal...and I would not wish even the descendants of my worst enemies to live in the sort of liberal hell that you and yours would create for them. All one need do is look to the old soviet union, or north korea, or communist china, or cambodia, or north vietnam to see the sort of world that liberals want taken to its logical conclusion.

The fact that you and yours believe that somehow you can make a political philosophy that has proven over and over that it is a philosophical failure actually work and create some sort of pie in the sky utopia is prima facie evidence of your level of stupidity.

If you want a better world, go out and work for it...don't expect government to ever make anything better for you...you will be disappointed every time...the best you could ever hope for is for government to get the hell out of your way so that you can be free to realize your dreams.

 

[MarathonMike]

Little girls really scare you, don't they?

No but she is sure scaring a lot of impressionable kids around the world with her theatrics. I think that is the goal of her promoters.

 

[skookerasbil]

Grab yourself a dictionary and look up the word specific. I asked for you to name any specific piece of published science that the koch brothers financed that was demonstrably false...

You can ask for a lot of things.. I've proven my point that all the "science" that doubts the consensus was funded by the Koch brothers...

If your point was that you believe in conspiracy theories, then yes...you proven your point.

If your point was that blog rants rise to the level of evidence of anything to you...then yes, you have proven your point.

If your point was that you will lie....then yes you have proven your point.

If your point was that you are easily fooled, and will believe outrageous stories with no evidence to support them....then yes, you have proven your point.

If your point was that you are a willing dupe and useful idiot...then yes, you have proven your point in spades...

If your point was, however, that you can point to any specific piece of science funded by the koch brothers which is demonstrably false...than no..you have not proven your point..you haven't even come close.

Look, man, I get it. Asking you to not be a selfish asshole and think about future generations is REALLY HARD.

I do think about future generations...I think about them a great deal...and I would not wish even the descendants of my worst enemies to live in the sort of liberal hell that you and yours would create for them. All one need do is look to the old soviet union, or north korea, or communist china, or cambodia, or north vietnam to see the sort of world that liberals want taken to its logical conclusion.

The fact that you and yours believe that somehow you can make a political philosophy that has proven over and over that it is a philosophical failure actually work and create some sort of pie in the sky utopia is prima facie evidence of your level of stupidity.

If you want a better world, go out and work for it...don't expect government to ever make anything better for you...you will be disappointed every time...the best you could ever hope for is for government to get the hell out of your way so that you can be free to realize your dreams.

Hey man....don't even bother debating with that matrix bobblehead. Most members would concur he's the biggest fake on the entire board.......even most liberal members avoid him.
Look at his post count total.........its all you have to know. When you have a 6 digit post count you know you are dealing with thought processing fuckedupedness. The only way to deal with those who are routinely absurd is just out-absurd them.. Its what I do........when I show up, he logs off!!. Head explodes when I point out he has made 4 billion posts on a message board!

 

[JoeB131]

By all means...point out where you did and prove you aren’t a liar...

good luck with that.....liar

Whole bunch of posts, that you didn't read, prove that the Koch Brothers funded the denial movement.

 

[JoeB131]

I do think about future generations...I think about them a great deal...and I would not wish even the descendants of my worst enemies to live in the sort of liberal hell that you and yours would create for them. All one need do is look to the old soviet union, or north korea, or communist china, or cambodia, or north vietnam to see the sort of world that liberals want taken to its logical conclusion.

Yes, clearly caring about the environment is the same as socialism.

Hey, remember when that raging Communist Richard Nixon started the EPA? Or when that Bolshevik Ronnie Reagan signed the Montreal Accords to save the Ozone Layer?

Yup, the Koch Brothers have convinced you that environmentalism is the same as socialism... and you bought it.

If you want a better world, go out and work for it...don't expect government to ever make anything better for you...you will be disappointed every time...the best you could ever hope for is for government to get the hell out of your way so that you can be free to realize your dreams.

You see, here's the funny thing guy. Used to be in this country, in that wonderful period after World War II, but before Ronnie Reagan listened to rich assholes and fucked it up, Republicans and Democrats agreed that what you whine about being "socialism" worked just fine. We had the highest standard of living in the world. People had job security and comfortable retirements.

Then the Rich Assholes like the Koch Brothers started pushing their agenda to dismantle the middle class in favor of rich people.

 

[KissMy]

Big Oil & Gas want to regulate everyone but themselves!!! Big Oil passed "Prohibition" to Ban Ethanol before. Then replaced Ethanol with LEAD to PROFIT by POISONING US citizens!!!

TRUMP’S PLAN TO BOOST ETHANOL HAS THE OIL INDUSTRY THREATENING TO SUE

 

[SSDD]

By all means...point out where you did and prove you aren’t a liar...

good luck with that.....liar

Whole bunch of posts, that you didn't read, prove that the Koch Brothers funded the denial movement.

Unlike you, I read every post, and visit every link. Unlike you, I am a thinking person and never know when or where something useful may pop up. I never reject information simply based on its source...I do, however readily point out bullshit when it comes from a dubious source...such as the blog entires that you apparently believe are evidence of anything other than your gullibility...

And You still seem to be to stupid to grasp what is being asked of you...for one, the very term "denier movement" is bullshit. If there were sufficient evidence to support the AGW hypothesis, then no amount of money from any source whatsoever would be sufficient to have any real effect. Hard scientific fact is not very easily overcome.

Pseudoscience however walks along a razor blade. Since it is not based on demonstrable scientific fact, it is easily knocked about...

No doubt that the koch brothers have spent money supporting skeptics...but then far more green organizations...and governments have spent far more money supporting the AGW hypothesis which is simply not supported by any real evidence...they have out spent the koch brothers by an exceedingly wide margin and yet, can't make their claims stick because they can't show any real evidence to support their claims.

I keep asking you for just one piece of actual observed measured evidence that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability....and you can't provide it. Of course no one else can provide it either because there is no such evidence in existence. Your response is vague conspiracy theories about the koch brothers and claims of settled science. Can you name a single other branch of science that goes so far as to claim that the science is settled and that there is absolutely, positively no error within the body of science and that there is nothing left to learn? Any other branch of science at all?

Of course you can't..because no other branch of actual science is populated by people stupid enough to say such a thing. That is one of the prime differences between science and pseudoscience. Actual science is in a constant state of change...pseudoscience is not. Pseudoscience is generally used to establish a narrative and when the narrative is settled, then the pseudoscience is settled and needs no further modification.

But back to the koch brothers...I didn't ask if they spent money funding skeptics who are legitimate scientists but have been frozen out by pseudoscience...read very carefully here.....I asked if you could point to any specific piece of research that was funded by the koch brothers which is demonstrably false.

To that question, your answer is a resounding no...you have not posted any such piece of information because you know of no such piece of information...you simply made up an answer and are sticking with it even though anyone who looks at your posts in this very short thread can see that you have not... In short...you lied...and you got called out on it and aren't grown up enough to own up to it..

You are a child standing by the cabinet with your face covered in crumbs and chocolate swearing that you haven't been eating the chocolate chip cookies...and simply aren't smart enough to see how obvious your lie is.

 

[JoeB131]

Unlike you, I read every post, and visit every link. Unlike you, I am a thinking person and never know when or where something useful may pop up. I never reject information simply based on its source...I do, however readily point out bullshit when it comes from a dubious source...such as the blog entires that you apparently believe are evidence of anything other than your gullibility...

Yawn, buddy.

One more time. 97% of Climate Scientists say AGW is a thing.

When you get a degree in climatology, and not just read something that a Koch Brother paid for that tickles your confirmation bias, get back to me.

But back to the koch brothers...I didn't ask if they spent money funding skeptics who are legitimate scientists but have been frozen out by pseudoscience...read very carefully here.....I asked if you could point to any specific piece of research that was funded by the koch brothers which is demonstrably false.

Every scientist they've paid to is a whore in a lab coat... and are contradicted by the 97% of REAL scientists who've PROVEN that AGW is a thing.

Now, go away and suck a Koch-cock. There's only one left now, so your work is cut by 50%.

 

[SSDD]

I do think about future generations...I think about them a great deal...and I would not wish even the descendants of my worst enemies to live in the sort of liberal hell that you and yours would create for them. All one need do is look to the old soviet union, or north korea, or communist china, or cambodia, or north vietnam to see the sort of world that liberals want taken to its logical conclusion.

Yes, clearly caring about the environment is the same as socialism.

Perhaps you might take some time and undertake a small project to actually learn something. If you can work yourself up to it, learn the difference between conservation, and environmentalism...you are an environmentalist and that is a very different creature from a conservationist who actually cares about the environment and doesn't see nature as a hands off semi godlike being.

Hey, remember when that raging Communist Richard Nixon started the EPA? Or when that Bolshevik Ronnie Reagan signed the Montreal Accords to save the Ozone Layer?

Of course I do...and it was a great idea and was very effective for a period of time...then it became a socialist lite organization and no longer served the purpose for which it was originally instituted.

And in case you haven't been paying attention....which clearly you haven't...or looking at the science...which obviously you haven't...the ozone layer didn't need saving and with all the money that has been wasted on the project...and all the damage to business that has been done, the ozone layer is essentially unchanged from the time the "hole" was discovered...

Ozone hole remains size of North America, Nasa data shows
Scientists unsure why part of ozone layer not healing
Scientists Surprised: Ozone Layer Not Healing, Continues To Deplete Despite Montreal Protocol - The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

It is not healing because it was never damaged...the ozone hole has always been there. Ozone is created by high energy UV radiation coming in from the sun which breaks down O2 molecules into molecular oxygen....that is O molecules which quickly regroup into O2 and O3 molecules. O3 being ozone. The poles are the places on earth where the smallest amount of incoming radiation enters the atmosphere and therefore have the smallest amount of ozone...the south pole, having a land mass, and being colder than the north pole creates atmospheric conditions that allow even less formation of ozone...

Yup, the Koch Brothers have convinced you that environmentalism is the same as socialism... and you bought it.

You are a top shelf idiot aren't you? No one convinces me of anything without sufficient evidence to support the claims they are making. I have always been a conservationist which is someone who takes the wise use of our resources very seriously. Environmentalism is an entirely different philosophy that has grown out of socialism.

You see, here's the funny thing guy. Used to be in this country, in that wonderful period after World War II, but before Ronnie Reagan listened to rich assholes and fucked it up, Republicans and Democrats agreed that what you whine about being "socialism" worked just fine. We had the highest standard of living in the world. People had job security and comfortable retirements.

And yet again, you demonstrate exactly how shallow your thinking is. The result of that bought and paid for standard of living is that we are in debt up to our eyeballs with no hope of getting out..you think that has enhanced our security in the least? Use your brain you idiot....

Then the Rich Assholes like the Koch Brothers started pushing their agenda to dismantle the middle class in favor of rich people.

Maybe you think you can build up the poor by tearing down the rich....but like everything else you believe..it is nothing more than socialist propaganda proven over and over to be a failure....the idea of selling out your future for the sake of a comfortable present is absolute stupidity..

 

[JoeB131]

Perhaps you might take some time and undertake a small project to actually learn something. If you can work yourself up to it, learn the difference between conservation, and environmentalism...you are an environmentalist and that is a very different creature from a conservationist who actually cares about the environment and doesn't see nature as a hands off semi godlike being.

The problem with "Conservation", is that it looks on nature as a resource for the rich to control and exploit.

Of course I do...and it was a great idea and was very effective for a period of time...then it became a socialist lite organization and no longer served the purpose for which it was originally instituted.

And in case you haven't been paying attention....which clearly you haven't...or looking at the science...which obviously you haven't...the ozone layer didn't need saving and with all the money that has been wasted on the project...and all the damage to business that has been done, the ozone layer is essentially unchanged from the time the "hole" was discovered...

Yeah, actually, it did. The difference there was that the threat was more imminent, and governments ignored the moneyed interests and took action.

And yet again, you demonstrate exactly how shallow your thinking is. The result of that bought and paid for standard of living is that we are in debt up to our eyeballs with no hope of getting out..you think that has enhanced our security in the least? Use your brain you idiot....

Except that we didn't. When the rich paid their fair share before Ronald Reagan, we built massive infrastructure, we fought world wars, we put guys on the fucking moon.

Now we drive down crumbling highways and keep cutting Granny's social security so a few rich assholes can have Dressage horses...

You whine about the debt, but when did the debt start going out of control? Yup, when your boy Ronald Reagan cut the top marginal rate from 70% to 33%.

Maybe you think you can build up the poor by tearing down the rich....but like everything else you believe..it is nothing more than socialist propaganda proven over and over to be a failure....the idea of selling out your future for the sake of a comfortable present is absolute stupidity..

IRONY ALERT. If there is anyone who is selling out the future for a comfortable present, it's the Climate Denier who won't give up his SUV.

 

[SSDD]

The problem with "Conservation", is that it looks on nature as a resource for the rich to control and exploit.

Nature is a resource...for all of us...your hate and envy of the rich clouds your thinking...I suppose there are no natural resources being used in your dwelling, or anything else that you use...is that what you are saying...and that only the rich use natural resources?

Yeah, actually, it did. The difference there was that the threat was more imminent, and governments ignored the moneyed interests and took action.

No..actually it didn't...And there never was a threat.

Not that I suppose it would matter a whit to you...or that I would expect for you to understand any of it...but here are some undeniable facts regarding the ozone hole scam...

CFC molecules were measured in the ozone layer at a concentration of 3 parts per BILLION...that is BILLION with a B.... NO..is a naturally occurring molecule that is as an effective a catalyst to O3 as a CFC molecule. This natural NO molecule is present in the ozone layer at a concentration of 3 to 5 parts per million...do you grasp the difference between parts per million and parts per BILLION?

So you have CFC molecules present at 3 parts per BILLION and natural NO molecules which destroy O3 as effectively as CFC molecules present at 3 to 5 parts per million...and then there is nitrogen which is a natural reactant to O3 although not a catalyst which is present in the ozone layer at 780,000 parts per million.

So do tell me how you believe a man made molecule that is present at 3 parts per BILLION represents a greater threat to the ozone layer than NO which is a natural catalyst as capable of destroying O3 molecules as CFC which is present at 3 to 5 parts per million.

And do you have any idea what those concentrations even mean? Lets think about it for a minute...parts per million...San Jose, California has about a population of about a million people...lets call each one of them a part per million. And lets make you a single CFC molecule. Now we are going to set you down in a random place in San Jose California and I am going to randomly select 5 people out of the population of San Jose.

Now, what is the chance of you encountering any one of those 5 people in a year's time? In 5 years time? In 25 years time? In your life time. So that is the chance of a natural NO molecule actually destroying an O3 molecule.

Now, India has a tick over a billion people living in it....so lets call each one of those people a part per billion...and then there is you..a CFC molecule that I am going to set down in a random place in India and I am going to select 3 people from the entire population of India.

What are the chances of you encountering one of those 3 people in 10 years? In 50 years? In a life time? In 5 lifetimes?

And don't forget, the people in San Jose and India are confined to their borders...suppose we release them from their borders and let them spread out across the entire earth...now what would be the chances of you ever encountering any of them in any number of lifetimes?

CFC's never were a threat to the ozone layer just as the natural NO that exists there in a far greater concentration was never a threat to the ozone layer..

Except that we didn't. When the rich paid their fair share before Ronald Reagan, we built massive infrastructure, we fought world wars, we put guys on the fucking moon.

Fair share? What does that mean in socialist speak? The rich already pay more than their fair share. A fair share would be each individual paying an equal percentage of their earnings....as soon as you say that one must pay more than that percentage, then you have stopped being fair and become punitive......punishing people for being successful.

Once again...you can't uplift the poor by tearing down the rich...That is why socialism fails every time it is tried...it is based on a terribly flawed philosophy...

Now we drive down crumbling highways and keep cutting Granny's social security so a few rich assholes can have Dressage horses...

Envy and jealousy are petty and bitter emotions that cloud your thinking...and you have them in spades don't you?

You whine about the debt, but when did the debt start going out of control? Yup, when your boy Ronald Reagan cut the top marginal rate from 70% to 33%.

The debt went out of control when liberals decided to start handing out other people's earnings to people who were not earning, in ever increasing amounts...spending more than you earn is what causes debt to spiral out of control...you will never go into debt till you start spending more than you earn..

IRONY ALERT. If there is anyone who is selling out the future for a comfortable present, it's the Climate Denier who won't give up his SUV.

Still waiting for a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability...just because you believe AGW to be true...does not make it so. If it were true, then you would have no problem providing any amount of observed, measured evidence to support the hypothesis...and yet, you can't even produce a single piece...a more than a trillion dollars down the toilet and not a single solitary piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability....

 

[JoeB131]

No..actually it didn't...And there never was a threat.

Not that I suppose it would matter a whit to you...or that I would expect for you to understand any of it...but here are some undeniable facts regarding the ozone hole scam...

Oh, no, we are going into Black Helicopters flown by lizard people territory here...