Zone1 Great Response about God and does he allow evil things to happen

[Cougarbear]

So, I hope this answers your questions about God and evil. What do you think? Does this change your thoughts on condemning God for allowing Evil?

 

[luiza]

" God has a plan for Evil ".
Yes , Mr Dopey said precisely that .


What a Clown .
No wonder Cult Christians find it difficult to get non Cultists to take them seriously,

 

[ding]

So, I hope this answers your questions about God and evil. What do you think? Does this change your thoughts on condemning God for allowing Evil?

Can you thumbnail it for me?

 

[ding]

" God has a plan for Evil ".
Yes , Mr Dopey said precisely that .


What a Clown .
No wonder Cult Christians find it difficult to get non Cultists to take them seriously,

Don’t kid yourself. You’re in the cult of militant atheism.

 

[BULLDOG]

What a silly notion. Those young children who were killed hadn't been doing evil for 400 years.

 

[Cougarbear]

" God has a plan for Evil ".
Yes , Mr Dopey said precisely that .


What a Clown .
No wonder Cult Christians find it difficult to get non Cultists to take them seriously,

I have to call you out for your bad interpretation of his statements. God doesn't have a plan to introduce evil. He has a plan for those who commit evil acts. Why do you have to be so evil?

I find the hypocrisy that he exposed should answer sufficiently those who claim that God is evil because he doesn't stop the evil. Then, when he stops evil, like the Amalekites and the flood of Noah, then you call him evil. He does what you want and he is then evil. Such circular reason by you and your atheists buddies.

 

[Cougarbear]

What a silly notion. Those young children who were killed hadn't been doing evil for 400 years.

So, God stops evil and therefore he's evil. Right. Your logic is as good as a toadstool.

 

[ding]

So, God stops evil and therefore he's evil. Right. Your logic is as good as a toadstool.

How does God stop evil?

 

[toobfreak]

Great Response about God and does he allow evil things to happen​

Bullshit weak rationalization response. God gives mankind the unique position in all of the animal kingdom of having self-determination over our own lives, freedom of will. Evil exists because of man. God does not allow evil, man does. God does not create evil, man does. Evil is what happens when one lives separate from God, simple as that.

Get God back in your life and evil goes away.

 

[Cougarbear]

How does God stop evil?

Toadstool! How did he do it in both cases? Doesn't matter how. Your a hypocrite.

 

[BreezeWood]

Get God back in your life and evil goes away.

there are plenty of those as evil as the day is long ... desert dwellers as an example.

- the individual is what is required for them to defeat evil on their own to receive judgement from the heavens for admission to the everlasting.

 

[onefour1]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church I know of that has a valid answer to the "Problem of Evil". It has been taught and believed in almost all Christian churches that God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God. But what do these phrase actually mean. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I believe what is meant by God being "All Powerful" is that God can do all that is possible. That to me is the true meaning of God being all powerful. In other churches they take it to mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable and unimaginable. The prophet Joseph Smith received revelation from God telling us that there is a part of mankind the was never created or made and that it cannot be created or made. Coming from God this means that this part of mankind that was never created or made must be self-existent and has always existed. This part of mankind that is self-existent is known as mankind's intelligence. Here is the verse that tells us about the part of mankind that was never created or made and neither indeed can be.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

What this would mean is that God never had the power to create our intelligence. It has always existed. Now if our intelligence has always existed and God could not create it, then God could never have created us to be perfect. He didn't have the power to do so. We also believe that another thing that God cannot do is create the elements. We also believe that the elements have always existed and were not created or made.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

We do not believe that God, when he creates, that he creates out of nothing. We do not believe that God causes anything to pop into existence but that the word, "create" means to organize out of things that already exist. We believe that our spirits were created from self-existent intelligences and self-existent matter. Now if our intelligences were not perfect but already in an imperfect state, then God could not create them to be perfect but had to have another ways for those intelligences to advance. The way we advance is by experiencing a fallen world where we can come to know good and evil and learn to choose good over evil God knows that for us to advance we need to choose good over evil of our own free will and choice. Only in this way do we truly become good beings in and of ourselves. If we were to be forced to obey good over evil, we would not be choosing good in and of ourselves but simply be slave to whomever is forcing us to do good. Free will is a critical part of our advancement to be truly good beings in and of ourselves. This explains why there was a fall and why Adam and Eve were given free will to choose. There is evil in the world because of our imperfect state and our free to choose good or evil. If we choose evil, then there will be evil in the world. But God cannot interfere with our free agency or we would never become good beings in and of ourselves.

Thus the problem of evil exists because God could not create us to be perfect and in our imperfect state it is important for us to have free will in order that we might be able to choose good over evil of our free will and choice. This imperfect mortal life is only temporary for us to have the chance to learn good and evil and to choose what manner of mankind we will become. We have the chance to become like God but it is up to our own free will and choice. God has made it possible that we can become as perfect as he is. This is why Jesus commanded us to do the following:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church I know of that has a valid answer to the "Problem of Evil". It has been taught and believed in almost all Christian churches that God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God. But what do these phrase actually mean. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I believe what is meant by God being "All Powerful" is that God can do all that is possible. That to me is the true meaning of God being all powerful. In other churches they take it to mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable and unimaginable. The prophet Joseph Smith received revelation from God telling us that there is a part of mankind the was never created or made and that it cannot be created or made. Coming from God this means that this part of mankind that was never created or made must be self-existent and has always existed. This part of mankind that is self-existent is known as mankind's intelligence. Here is the verse that tells us about the part of mankind that was never created or made and neither indeed can be.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

What this would mean is that God never had the power to create our intelligence. It has always existed. Now if our intelligence has always existed and God could not create it, then God could never have created us to be perfect. He didn't have the power to do so. We also believe that another thing that God cannot do is create the elements. We also believe that the elements have always existed and were not created or made.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

We do not believe that God, when he creates, that he creates out of nothing. We do not believe that God causes anything to pop into existence but that the word, "create" means to organize out of things that already exist. We believe that our spirits were created from self-existent intelligences and self-existent matter. Now if our intelligences were not perfect but already in an imperfect state, then God could not create them to be perfect but had to have another ways for those intelligences to advance. The way we advance is by experiencing a fallen world where we can come to know good and evil and learn to choose good over evil God knows that for us to advance we need to choose good over evil of our own free will and choice. Only in this way do we truly become good beings in and of ourselves. If we were to be forced to obey good over evil, we would not be choosing good in and of ourselves but simply be slave to whomever is forcing us to do good. Free will is a critical part of our advancement to be truly good beings in and of ourselves. This explains why there was a fall and why Adam and Eve were given free will to choose. There is evil in the world because of our imperfect state and our free to choose good or evil. If we choose evil, then there will be evil in the world. But God cannot interfere with our free agency or we would never become good beings in and of ourselves.

Thus the problem of evil exists because God could not create us to be perfect and in our imperfect state it is important for us to have free will in order that we might be able to choose good over evil of our free will and choice. This imperfect mortal life is only temporary for us to have the chance to learn good and evil and to choose what manner of mankind we will become. We have the chance to become like God but it is up to our own free will and choice. God has made it possible that we can become as perfect as he is. This is why Jesus commanded us to do the following:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

God never had the power to create our intelligence. It has always existed.

all living beings have intelligence ...

your post opens quite a few portals as the heavens then you claim must have created the physiology for intelligence that is bound to planet earth ... how is the intelligence united w/ the physiology - - not to mention reproduction.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

they are imposters ... nothing that exists is perfect a word w/ no meaning ... purity is the universal quality of the heavens shared equally by all who reside in the everlasting. that is what monotheism is - all are equal being pure what jesus taught.

desert dwellers teach monarchism - servitude and denial to a supreme being. they worship to gain favor.

 

[onefour1]

all living beings have intelligence ...

your post opens quite a few portals as the heavens then you claim must have created the physiology for intelligence that is bound to planet earth ... how is the intelligence united w/ the physiology - - not to mention reproduction.

Yes, all living beings have intelligence. I would say that they have always been an intelligence. Now you speak of our physiology. It has also been revealed that our spirits consist of our self-existing intelligence and eternal matter. Scripture tells us that our spirits are the literal offspring of God the Father. We are literally his spirit children. Through the process of procreation our spirit bodies were attached to our self-existing intelligences to never part again. We are then born into this world and receive physical bodies also through procreation. God is able to procreate and he is also able to give us the power to procreate. We are bound to physical elements because we actually gain more joy in our existence by being attached to physical elements (see Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34 above).

they are imposters ... nothing that exists is perfect a word w/ no meaning ... purity is the universal quality of the heavens shared equally by all who reside in the everlasting. that is what monotheism is - all are equal being pure what jesus taught.

desert dwellers teach monarchism - servitude and denial to a supreme being. they worship to gain favor.

God is perfect and we can become as perfect as God himself according to Jesus' command.

 

[ding]

Toadstool! How did he do it in both cases? Doesn't matter how. Your a hypocrite.

You made the statement that God stops evil and I am asking you how God stops evil.

 

[Foxfyre]

So, I hope this answers your questions about God and evil. What do you think? Does this change your thoughts on condemning God for allowing Evil?

Without free will, humankind would not be able to love, to appreciate, to enjoy, to excel, to create, to know joy. We would simply be puppets manipulated by some cosmic force that we could not resist or even know. Our lives might be perfect but that would be meaningless to us.

But free will means that we have choice. We can choose to do/be good as much as we are able or to do evil/sin. Evil/sin is bad either for ourselves or for others which is why God opposes it. But as there is no up without a down, there is no way to have good without there also being evil.

 

[BreezeWood]

God is perfect and we can become as perfect as God himself according to Jesus' command.

sorry, stubbornness is not heavenly - they show themselves periodically each one and their flaws - there is nothing perfect, an expression without meaning.

purity is there to be accomplished, and is the only means for judgement and admission to the heavens ... monotheism is purity.


bibles are monarchical - superior being, never taught in the 1st century is the very reason for those events - the repudiation of judaism, servitude and denial.

 

[BreezeWood]

But as there is no up without a down, there is no way to have good without there also being evil.

try not to mention that anywhere near the gates to heaven - though that proximity may never be in your future anyway.


good and bad are not the same as good and evil as maybe a consolation to a desert dweller that at least might allow for a followup purgatory - good luck.

 

[Foxfyre]

try not to mention that anywhere near the gates to heaven - though that proximity may never be in your future anyway.


good and bad are not the same as good and evil as maybe a consolation to a desert dweller that at least might allow for a followup purgatory - good luck.

As usual your attempt to appear 'wise' just makes you look like you don't have a clue what you're talking about. But oh well. Do have a lovely afternoon/evening.

 

[BreezeWood]

As usual your attempt to appear 'wise' just makes you look like you don't have a clue what you're talking about. But oh well. Do have a lovely afternoon/evening.

there is no way to have good without there also being evil.

like shooting yourself in the foot, as was said already good and bad may have comparisons - no one who believes evil exist for the sake of good will ever make an appearance at the gates of heaven.