'Great' Moments In Democrat History

[MisterBeale]

Actually, the women's suffrage movement was originally closely tied to the anti-slavery movement.

Aren't you aware of what party that was?

I am aware of what political ideology it was that advocated for the rights of women to vote -- and it damn sure wasn't conservative...

Why do you idiots always avoid the fact that conservative and liberal are the main constants in US political history and not parties??

Thomas Paine was one of the first people to advocate for the abolition --- now tell me....was Thomas considered a liberal or conservative?

Radical Liberal......as our Founders were Liberals of their age.

WRONG.

Try CLASSICAL LIBERAL.

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia

"Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. Closely related to economic liberalism, it developed in the early 19th century, building on ideas from the previous century as a response to urbanization and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and the United States.[1][2][3] Notable individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[4] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on the classical economic ideas espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations and on a belief in natural law,[5] utilitarianism,[6] and progress.[7]"

Don't dare try to compare the modern day big statist left with the founders, they are NOTHING alike.

The modern left is much more like KING GEORGE.

"Liberal" is not "left". Nor is it "statist".

If one is conflating either of those with "Liberalism" then one is simply misnaming them as such. Don't do that.

"Liberal" means Liberal. It isn't "classiical", it's simply Liberal. "Classical" is a Goldbergian weasel-word to try to twist a term he finds inconvenient into its own opposite. You can't have a word that means opposite things. There is no "cold fire".

Leave it to a socialist to deny reality, eh?

 

[Mac1958]

I often wonder if ideologues are just kidding around when they start threads like this, or if they are just so lost in their ideology that they can literally talk themselves (and each other) into the unthinkable.

These people appear to really believe that there is no racism coming from the Right, and that conservatives are, and have always been, the one and only friend of minorities. How much pure, old fashioned racism from the Right must they be unconsciously blinding themselves to? Including right here, on good ol' USMB? Every single day?

Sure, it's funny, on a micro level. But on a macro scale, this stuff is more than a little scary. It appears they really do believe this.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I often wonder if ideologues are just kidding around when they start threads like this, or if they are just so lost in their ideology that they can literally talk themselves (and each other) into the unthinkable.

These people appear to really believe that there is no racism coming from the Right, and that conservatives are, and have always been, the one and only friend of minorities. How much pure, old fashioned racism from the Right must they be unconsciously blinding themselves to? Including right here, on good ol' USMB? Every single day?

Sure, it's funny, on a micro level. But on a macro scale, this stuff is more than a little scary. It appears they really do believe this.
.

Let me simplify this, so even you can understand it: I am to ‘facts’ what McDonald’s is to hamburgers.


And that's the reason I embarrassed you with this:

Here's a 100% true, accurate and correct review of Democrat history.....


"You see, what do slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion have in common? They were all top priorities for the Democratic Party throughout history.

• 1828 — Democratic Party is founded by Andrew Jackson — a passionate advocate of slavery and key figure behind the ‘Trail of Tears’ — a state-sanctioned slaughter of around 15,000 Native Americans
• 1866 — Ku Klux Klan is founded by a group of Democratic former confederate soldiers who fought to prevent blacks living in the South from voting
• 1868 — Equal protection granted to slaves in the USA: 94% Republican support and 0% Democratic support.
• 1870— Black suffrage: 100% Republicans voted for, 0% Democrats voted against.
• 1915— First motion-picture movie to be shown in the White House is The Birth of Nation, a Democratic-Party produced propaganda film depicting the KKK as heroes.
• 1939 —“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members” – Margaret Sanger (Founder of Planned Parenthood)
• 1960s — “I’ll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years” – Lyndon B. Johnson
• 2014 — 36% of all abortion in the US were performed on black women compared to the national black population of 13.3%
• 2019 — Reproductive Health Act legalises the murdering of a child up to the day of birth

Even a cursory glance at the dark history of the Democratic Party reveals that they have been the party of death long before the 21st century."

Kill More Babies! · Caldron Pool



Now....your Democrat Party???????



1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne

2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.

3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.

4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress

5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.

6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.

7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.

8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..

9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.

10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.


11. I should mention that the Democrat Party was used as a model by Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party….another ‘feather’ in the party’s cap?

12. The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism.





Now.....either compose a list that reflects the same evil for the Right, conservatives, the GOP.....or admit to being a windbag proposing moral equivalence.




BTW......while there is a Far Left....and it owns and operates the Democrat Party......

....THERE IS NO FAR RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY.

 

[Mac1958]

....THERE IS NO FAR RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY.

 

[PoliticalChic]

.What is the endgame most closely associated with the victory of any of these: Liberals, Democrats, Islamists, communists?

This:
The single most repeated theme in all of the above is death




As with their predecessors, the Bolsheviks…….the Democrat Party stands for the very same things that the Communist Party did…..and simply shrugs when the 100 million slaughtered by their earlier iteration is brought up.

"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society
FDR Admiration Society



And even more death is associated with the modern Democrat Party: abortion, and every permutation and combination of nihilism.
And the group shielded and supported by the Democrats, and their most recent President, Islamists, is daily reported as slaughterers of the innocent.


50 million abortions have been performed in the United States since 1973, when the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision made the procedure legal.Mar 6, 2015
FACT CHECK: 50 million abortions claim checks out

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/reality...abortions.../24530159/

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Proud Democrat voters can certainly find great moments to celebrate.....if they are oblivious to the real history of their chosen party.

Said history can be reduced to slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion.



"You see, what do slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion have in common? They were all top priorities for the Democratic Party throughout history.

• 1828 — Democratic Party is founded by Andrew Jackson — a passionate advocate of slavery and key figure behind the ‘Trail of Tears’ — a state-sanctioned slaughter of around 15,000 Native Americans

WRONG. The Democratic Party was organized in 1834 by Martin van Buren, Jackson's successor. Jackson ran for President three times (1824/1828/1832) without a political party behind him. His body of supporters were simply called "Jacksonians" for lack of a name. His detractors were simply called "Anti-Jacksonians" for the same reason.

But the reason you made this leap is that Martin van Buren was an abolitionist. We can't have that in our propaganda.

• 1866 — Ku Klux Klan is founded by a group of Democratic former confederate soldiers who fought to prevent blacks living in the South from voting

WRONG AGAIN. The Klan was founded by six ex-soldiers (Maj James Crowe, Calvin Jones, Capt John B. Kennedy, Capt John Lester, Maj. Frank O. McCord, Richard R. Reed), at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee, the office of Jones' father, Christmas 1865, not 66, BEFORE there was any postwar voting going on, BEFORE that state had rejoined the union, as a college fraternity-type activity modeled directly after Kuklos Adelphon, having no political purpose and its founders having no political affiliations, Tennessee having no political parties to affiliate with at the time anyway.

But again the reason you changed the date is that the revised date would obscure the fact that the KKK already existed before Reconstruction, and we can't have those inconvenient dates in our propaganda either. Oh and you gave no names. I just gave you ALL of them. And while we're about it, since that Klan disappeared by 1872 and officially disbanded 1869, it had to be re-formed in 1915 (see next entry) by a huckster former minister named William J. "Colonel Joe" Simmons --- who also had no known political affiliations. That was the much bigger one that spread coast to coast and numbered its members in the millions.

Nor do you seem to mention the existence of literally dozens of similar local/regional vigilante groups springing up like weeds at the time (the Caucasian Club(s) (Louisiana 1869); the Constitutional Union Guard (North Carolina 1868-70); the Council of Safety; Heggie's Scouts (Mississippi); Heroes of America (South Carolina); the Knights of the Black Cross (Mississippi); the Knights of the Red Hand; the Knights of the Rising Sun (Texas 1868); the Knights of the White Camellia (Louisiana 1867-69); the Knights of the White Carnation (Alabama); Men of Justice; Native Sons of the South (Mississippi); Order of Pale Faces (Tennessee 1869 or 1867); the Order of the White Rose; Red Caps (Tennessee); Red Jackets (Tennessee); Red Strings (South Carolina); the Robertson Family (Mississippi); the Society of the White Rose (Mississippi); the Seymour Knights (Louisiana); the Southern Cross (New Orléans1865); the White Brotherhood (North Carolina 1868-70); the White League (Louisiana 1874); the White Line (Mississippi); the Yellow Jackets (Tennessee) and the '76 Association (Louisiana 1869) (partial list) ---- where's my propaganda bullshit about how "Democrats" founded all these too, even in places that were not part of the United States and/or had no political parties? How were they prescient to form themselves to prevent voting that wasn't even going on yet? And why so many groups? If you're going to organize something to oppose a single national political party, wouldn't you do so with a single national organization?

• 1915— First motion-picture movie to be shown in the White House is The Birth of Nation, a Democratic-Party produced propaganda film depicting the KKK as heroes.

WRONG. "Birth of a Nation" was strictly Hollywood, born of the controversial Thomas Dixon book "The Clansman" (1905) which begat a play, which begat the film, all of which were begat by the Cult of the Lost Cause which had started rewriting history soon after the Civil War, imagining the "nobility" of the Southern cause. Both Dixon and Griffith were Southerners and proponents of the Lost Cause, which also begat a flurry of activity from the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) who spent most of their resources literally rewriting history books and putting up hundreds of monuments and statues all over the country to sell this revisionist propaganda, in public places where they would propagandize the most. Those would be the same monuments and statues recently under fire to be removed FROM those public spaces.

​

Back to the film, the 1915 "Birth of a Nation" which did indeed portray the Klan of decades past as heroes -- part of the Lost Cause revisionism --- sparked a national buzz, which in turn incited the aforementioned Simmons to rent a bus and take some sycophants up Stone Mountain on Thanksgiving that year to re-establish the Klan under a bible, an unsheathed sword, and the first-ever Klan burning cross, an affectation he took from the movie, which just made it up. In short, both the 1915 Klan and the film "Birth of a Nation" were undertaken for the same simple reason --- to make money for their creators.


Simmons too had no political affiliation and he pointedly described his Klan effusively as ""the most powerful, secret, non-political organization in existence" (Wade, The Fiery Cross, p. 151). Nevertheless after control was wrested away from Simmons the Klan did dabble in politics in the 1920s, electing Rice Means (Sen, CO), Owen Brewster (Gov/Sen, ME), Ben Paulen (Gov, KS), Clarence Morley (Gov, CO), Ed Jackson (Gov, IN), George Baker (Mayor, Portland OR) and numerous local officers and Reps in various states such as one Albert Johnson:

>> Johnson was the chief author of the Immigration Act of 1924, which in 1927 he justified as a bulwark against "a stream of alien blood, with all its inherited misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed."[2] Johnson has been described as "an unusually energetic and vehement racist and nativist."[3] He was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the mentally disabled. In support of his 1919 proposal to suspend immigration he included this quote from a State Department Official referring to Jewish people as "filthy, un-American, and often dangerous in their habits."[4]

– The Klan was public and effusive in its support of Albert Johnson. Time Magazine noted in 1924 that Johnson’s immigration restriction law was “generally supported by the West and South, admittedly with the backing of the Ku Klux Klan.” It reported in 1926 that one of the national KKK’s top four political priorities was the “Renomination and re-election of Representative Albert Johnson of Washington, so he can continue to be Chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and fight for restricted immigration laws.” << (Wiki)​

All of the aforementioned --- Johnson, Means, Brewster, Paulen, Morley, Jackson, Baker --- were Republicans. Not to mention the same Klan endorsed Calvin Cooldige in 1924 and Herbert Hoover in 1928 while running a national smear campaign against the Democrat Al Smith.

None of this of course makes the Klan "Republicans" --- that would require Ass-ociation Fallacy, which is your domain. But it sure as hell doesn't make them "Democrats" either. That Klan opposed not just blacks but Jews (part of its founding contingent had participated in the Leo Frank lynch mob), immigrants, Catholics and labor unions, all of which were and are Democratic Party constituents. Not real smart to organize a hate group against your own base, now is it.

DUH.

• 1960s — “I’ll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years” – Lyndon B. Johnson

Unsourced uncorroborated myth-quote.




Prove *ANYTHING* I've posted above to be inaccurate. You know, like I just did yours.

What's more you've been told *ALL* of this in the past, REPEATEDLY, have *NEVER* refuted a single one of my facts, and yet here you are spraying the same shitstorm expecting different results. Message board masturbation.

Funeral services for this OP will be held Feb 6th, 2019, 10:00 am...at Mt. Calvary Baptist Church By The Rock On The Hill....Rev. Jeremiah Wright will give the eulogy....

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Then, Obama chooses as his spiritual guide, the anti-American pastor-nee-Muslim, Jeremiah Wright.

“Long before Reverend Wright entered the national stage, Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, in the March 19, 2007 issue, dropped this little gem:

Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”

The racist paranoia of AIDS being developed by white America to kill blacks and other inexcusable statements are from the same framework of the NOI and Farrakhan. In fact:

In 1984, Wright was one of the inner circle that traveled with Farrakhan to visit Libyan strongman Col. Muammar Khadafy.

…why did Wright’s church put the racist and anti-Semitic Farrakhan on the cover of its magazine Trumpet? Why did Trinity Church post:
a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group’s official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America’s Declaration of Independence[?]


The three points above show a consistent pattern of Wright parroting not only the language and but also the attitude of the Nation of Islam.

The Reverend Wright may no longer be a Muslim, but he clearly embraces Hamas, Minister Farrakhan and others because they dovetail with his established world view, as with other syncretic religions.

Reverend Wright’s hate speeches are a glimpse of someone who has blended Nation of Islam and Black Nationalist Liberation Theology into a subversive Christianity,…”
Jeremiah Wright Was a Muslim: Why That Matters


A comfortable arena for our Muslim former President.

Rev Wright was both a former marine and naval medical officer (serving on president LBJ's medical team) --- he later got a masters degree in English and a masters degree in divinity from University of Chicago Divinity School ...all back in the late 60's..he also has a doctorate in divinity from United Theological Seminary...he became pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, back in 1971....

Where is it that he was a muslim again?

You people are astoundingly pathetic with the lies....

 

[PoliticalChic]

....THERE IS NO FAR RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY.

Yet you have been unable to point to even a single error in my post......


This one:
Let me simplify this, so even you can understand it: I am to ‘facts’ what McDonald’s is to hamburgers.


And that's the reason I embarrassed you with this:

Here's a 100% true, accurate and correct review of Democrat history.....


"You see, what do slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion have in common? They were all top priorities for the Democratic Party throughout history.

• 1828 — Democratic Party is founded by Andrew Jackson — a passionate advocate of slavery and key figure behind the ‘Trail of Tears’ — a state-sanctioned slaughter of around 15,000 Native Americans
• 1866 — Ku Klux Klan is founded by a group of Democratic former confederate soldiers who fought to prevent blacks living in the South from voting
• 1868 — Equal protection granted to slaves in the USA: 94% Republican support and 0% Democratic support.
• 1870— Black suffrage: 100% Republicans voted for, 0% Democrats voted against.
• 1915— First motion-picture movie to be shown in the White House is The Birth of Nation, a Democratic-Party produced propaganda film depicting the KKK as heroes.
• 1939 —“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members” – Margaret Sanger (Founder of Planned Parenthood)
• 1960s — “I’ll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years” – Lyndon B. Johnson
• 2014 — 36% of all abortion in the US were performed on black women compared to the national black population of 13.3%
• 2019 — Reproductive Health Act legalises the murdering of a child up to the day of birth

Even a cursory glance at the dark history of the Democratic Party reveals that they have been the party of death long before the 21st century."

Kill More Babies! · Caldron Pool



Now....your Democrat Party???????



1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne

2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.

3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.

4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress

5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.

6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.

7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.

8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..

9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.

10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.


11. I should mention that the Democrat Party was used as a model by Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party….another ‘feather’ in the party’s cap?

12. The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism.





Now.....either compose a list that reflects the same evil for the Right, conservatives, the GOP.....or admit to being a windbag proposing moral equivalence.




BTW......while there is a Far Left....and it owns and operates the Democrat Party......

....THERE IS NO FAR RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY.





That makes you a lying sack of offal, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Proud Democrat voters can certainly find great moments to celebrate.....if they are oblivious to the real history of their chosen party.

Said history can be reduced to slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion.



"You see, what do slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion have in common? They were all top priorities for the Democratic Party throughout history.

• 1828 — Democratic Party is founded by Andrew Jackson — a passionate advocate of slavery and key figure behind the ‘Trail of Tears’ — a state-sanctioned slaughter of around 15,000 Native Americans

WRONG. The Democratic Party was organized in 1834 by Martin van Buren, Jackson's successor. Jackson ran for President three times (1824/1828/1832) without a political party behind him. His body of supporters were simply called "Jacksonians" for lack of a name. His detractors were simply called "Anti-Jacksonians" for the same reason.

But the reason you made this leap is that Martin van Buren was an abolitionist. We can't have that in our propaganda.

• 1866 — Ku Klux Klan is founded by a group of Democratic former confederate soldiers who fought to prevent blacks living in the South from voting

WRONG AGAIN. The Klan was founded by six ex-soldiers (Maj James Crowe, Calvin Jones, Capt John B. Kennedy, Capt John Lester, Maj. Frank O. McCord, Richard R. Reed), at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee, the office of Jones' father, Christmas 1865, not 66, BEFORE there was any postwar voting going on, BEFORE that state had rejoined the union, as a college fraternity-type activity modeled directly after Kuklos Adelphon, having no political purpose and its founders having no political affiliations, Tennessee having no political parties to affiliate with at the time anyway.

But again the reason you changed the date is that the revised date would obscure the fact that the KKK already existed before Reconstruction, and we can't have those inconvenient dates in our propaganda either. Oh and you gave no names. I just gave you ALL of them. And while we're about it, since that Klan disappeared by 1872 and officially disbanded 1869, it had to be re-formed in 1915 (see next entry) by a huckster former minister named William J. "Colonel Joe" Simmons --- who also had no known political affiliations. That was the much bigger one that spread coast to coast and numbered its members in the millions.

Nor do you seem to mention the existence of literally dozens of similar local/regional vigilante groups springing up like weeds at the time (the Caucasian Club(s) (Louisiana 1869); the Constitutional Union Guard (North Carolina 1868-70); the Council of Safety; Heggie's Scouts (Mississippi); Heroes of America (South Carolina); the Knights of the Black Cross (Mississippi); the Knights of the Red Hand; the Knights of the Rising Sun (Texas 1868); the Knights of the White Camellia (Louisiana 1867-69); the Knights of the White Carnation (Alabama); Men of Justice; Native Sons of the South (Mississippi); Order of Pale Faces (Tennessee 1869 or 1867); the Order of the White Rose; Red Caps (Tennessee); Red Jackets (Tennessee); Red Strings (South Carolina); the Robertson Family (Mississippi); the Society of the White Rose (Mississippi); the Seymour Knights (Louisiana); the Southern Cross (New Orléans1865); the White Brotherhood (North Carolina 1868-70); the White League (Louisiana 1874); the White Line (Mississippi); the Yellow Jackets (Tennessee) and the '76 Association (Louisiana 1869) (partial list) ---- where's my propaganda bullshit about how "Democrats" founded all these too, even in places that were not part of the United States and/or had no political parties? How were they prescient to form themselves to prevent voting that wasn't even going on yet? And why so many groups? If you're going to organize something to oppose a single national political party, wouldn't you do so with a single national organization?

• 1915— First motion-picture movie to be shown in the White House is The Birth of Nation, a Democratic-Party produced propaganda film depicting the KKK as heroes.

WRONG. "Birth of a Nation" was strictly Hollywood, born of the controversial Thomas Dixon book "The Clansman" (1905) which begat a play, which begat the film, all of which were begat by the Cult of the Lost Cause which had started rewriting history soon after the Civil War, imagining the "nobility" of the Southern cause. Both Dixon and Griffith were Southerners and proponents of the Lost Cause, which also begat a flurry of activity from the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) who spent most of their resources literally rewriting history books and putting up hundreds of monuments and statues all over the country to sell this revisionist propaganda, in public places where they would propagandize the most. Those would be the same monuments and statues recently under fire to be removed FROM those public spaces.

​

Back to the film, the 1915 "Birth of a Nation" which did indeed portray the Klan of decades past as heroes -- part of the Lost Cause revisionism --- sparked a national buzz, which in turn incited the aforementioned Simmons to rent a bus and take some sycophants up Stone Mountain on Thanksgiving that year to re-establish the Klan under a bible, an unsheathed sword, and the first-ever Klan burning cross, an affectation he took from the movie, which just made it up. In short, both the 1915 Klan and the film "Birth of a Nation" were undertaken for the same simple reason --- to make money for their creators.


Simmons too had no political affiliation and he pointedly described his Klan effusively as ""the most powerful, secret, non-political organization in existence" (Wade, The Fiery Cross, p. 151). Nevertheless after control was wrested away from Simmons the Klan did dabble in politics in the 1920s, electing Rice Means (Sen, CO), Owen Brewster (Gov/Sen, ME), Ben Paulen (Gov, KS), Clarence Morley (Gov, CO), Ed Jackson (Gov, IN), George Baker (Mayor, Portland OR) and numerous local officers and Reps in various states such as one Albert Johnson:

>> Johnson was the chief author of the Immigration Act of 1924, which in 1927 he justified as a bulwark against "a stream of alien blood, with all its inherited misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed."[2] Johnson has been described as "an unusually energetic and vehement racist and nativist."[3] He was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the mentally disabled. In support of his 1919 proposal to suspend immigration he included this quote from a State Department Official referring to Jewish people as "filthy, un-American, and often dangerous in their habits."[4]

– The Klan was public and effusive in its support of Albert Johnson. Time Magazine noted in 1924 that Johnson’s immigration restriction law was “generally supported by the West and South, admittedly with the backing of the Ku Klux Klan.” It reported in 1926 that one of the national KKK’s top four political priorities was the “Renomination and re-election of Representative Albert Johnson of Washington, so he can continue to be Chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and fight for restricted immigration laws.” << (Wiki)​

All of the aforementioned --- Johnson, Means, Brewster, Paulen, Morley, Jackson, Baker --- were Republicans. Not to mention the same Klan endorsed Calvin Cooldige in 1924 and Herbert Hoover in 1928 while running a national smear campaign against the Democrat Al Smith.

None of this of course makes the Klan "Republicans" --- that would require Ass-ociation Fallacy, which is your domain. But it sure as hell doesn't make them "Democrats" either. That Klan opposed not just blacks but Jews (part of its founding contingent had participated in the Leo Frank lynch mob), immigrants, Catholics and labor unions, all of which were and are Democratic Party constituents. Not real smart to organize a hate group against your own base, now is it.

DUH.

• 1960s — “I’ll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years” – Lyndon B. Johnson

Unsourced uncorroborated myth-quote.




Prove *ANYTHING* I've posted above to be inaccurate. You know, like I just did yours.

What's more you've been told *ALL* of this in the past, REPEATEDLY, have *NEVER* refuted a single one of my facts, and yet here you are spraying the same shitstorm expecting different results. Message board masturbation.

Funeral services for this OP will be held Feb 6th, 2019, 10:00 am...at Mt. Calvary Baptist Church By The Rock On The Hill....Rev. Jeremiah Wright will give the eulogy....

View attachment 244253

Then, Obama chooses as his spiritual guide, the anti-American pastor-nee-Muslim, Jeremiah Wright.

“Long before Reverend Wright entered the national stage, Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, in the March 19, 2007 issue, dropped this little gem:

Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”

The racist paranoia of AIDS being developed by white America to kill blacks and other inexcusable statements are from the same framework of the NOI and Farrakhan. In fact:

In 1984, Wright was one of the inner circle that traveled with Farrakhan to visit Libyan strongman Col. Muammar Khadafy.

…why did Wright’s church put the racist and anti-Semitic Farrakhan on the cover of its magazine Trumpet? Why did Trinity Church post:
a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group’s official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America’s Declaration of Independence[?]


The three points above show a consistent pattern of Wright parroting not only the language and but also the attitude of the Nation of Islam.

The Reverend Wright may no longer be a Muslim, but he clearly embraces Hamas, Minister Farrakhan and others because they dovetail with his established world view, as with other syncretic religions.

Reverend Wright’s hate speeches are a glimpse of someone who has blended Nation of Islam and Black Nationalist Liberation Theology into a subversive Christianity,…”
Jeremiah Wright Was a Muslim: Why That Matters


A comfortable arena for our Muslim former President.

Rev Wright was both a former marine and naval medical officer (serving on president LBJ's medical team) --- he later got a masters degree in English and a masters degree in divinity from University of Chicago Divinity School ...all back in the late 60's..he also has a doctorate in divinity from United Theological Seminary...he became pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, back in 1971....

Where is it that he was a muslim again?

You people are astoundingly pathetic with the lies....

I never lie.

Let's prove it together:


Now….if Wright is a Christian….as Obama claims to be, too….how to explain this:


“Muslim Brotherhood – Jeremiah Wright Declares that Yahweh is Allah


Jeremiah Wright declares that the God he worships is the same as Allah, the God of the Muslims.”

Muslim Brotherhood – Jeremiah Wright Declares that Yahweh is Allah

 

[Pogo]

I am aware of what political ideology it was that advocated for the rights of women to vote -- and it damn sure wasn't conservative...

Why do you idiots always avoid the fact that conservative and liberal are the main constants in US political history and not parties??

Thomas Paine was one of the first people to advocate for the abolition --- now tell me....was Thomas considered a liberal or conservative?

Radical Liberal......as our Founders were Liberals of their age.

WRONG.

Try CLASSICAL LIBERAL.

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia

"Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. Closely related to economic liberalism, it developed in the early 19th century, building on ideas from the previous century as a response to urbanization and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and the United States.[1][2][3] Notable individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[4] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on the classical economic ideas espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations and on a belief in natural law,[5] utilitarianism,[6] and progress.[7]"

Don't dare try to compare the modern day big statist left with the founders, they are NOTHING alike.

The modern left is much more like KING GEORGE.

"Liberal" is not "left". Nor is it "statist".

If one is conflating either of those with "Liberalism" then one is simply misnaming them as such. Don't do that.

"Liberal" means Liberal. It isn't "classiical", it's simply Liberal. "Classical" is a Goldbergian weasel-word to try to twist a term he finds inconvenient into its own opposite. You can't have a word that means opposite things. There is no "cold fire".

Leave it to a socialist to deny reality, eh?

Why don't you give the class an example of a word that means its own opposite.

While you're working on that I'll give you the actual historical background. At the end of World War II the Republican Party had lost four POTUS elections in a row and was on its way to a fifth. In desperation, observing that the Red Scare offered an easy Composition Fallacy to tarnish "the left" in general, it started conflating "Liberal" and "left" in its rhetoric, despite the fact that "Liberal" does not mean "left" and never did. McCarthy and his ilk took up the propaganda trying to make "Liberal" into some kind of dirty word, rather than the basis of this country's foundation (which by itself might speak volumes). The aim was to try to connect their opposition, the Democrats, into a "leftist, therefore Liberal, therefore communist, therefore EEBIL" monstrosity ---- a weasel word conglomeration made up of a train of non sequiturs, under the age-old tactic that if you repeat something over and over and over and over and over, eventually at least some of the public will come to believe it.

George H.W. Bush and his asshole campaign manager Lee Atwater did the same thing forty years later, sneering that his opponent Dukakis was a "Liberal" as if it was some kind of slur, instead of what it really is, comparing Dukakis to Jefferson et al.

ALL those demagogues, from Bush back to McCarthy and every dishonest demagogue in between, were engaging in deliberately dishonest discourse, the rhetorical equivalent of skullfucking.

Liberalism has been, and still is, opposed from both the left and the right. My usual go-to example of illustration goes like this;

Liberalism declares "all men are created equal" and leaves it at that, full stop. Meaning that government may not striate its society into unequal parts.

Leftism takes that point of departure and says, "therefore we need to create artificial quotas to make that the reality".

Thus leftism (and rightism) are activist, while Liberalism is simply a governor (as in the mechanical term) on the government, ensuring that it doesn't overstep its bounds. Liberalism places civil liberty restrictions on government; it does not advocate that government take an activist role.

This is simply how words work. When you capitulate to the liars' club definitions put out for their own propaganda purposes, the terrorists win.

Go ahead and rate this "funny" now but it's also the reality. DEAL with it. Either that, or make the argument that it's valid logic to use a term to mean the opposite of itself.

e.g. "cold heat".

 

[The Original Tree]

I often wonder if ideologues are just kidding around when they start threads like this, or if they are just so lost in their ideology that they can literally talk themselves (and each other) into the unthinkable.

These people appear to really believe that there is no racism coming from the Right, and that conservatives are, and have always been, the one and only friend of minorities. How much pure, old fashioned racism from the Right must they be unconsciously blinding themselves to? Including right here, on good ol' USMB? Every single day?

Sure, it's funny, on a micro level. But on a macro scale, this stuff is more than a little scary. It appears they really do believe this.
.

Conservatives by default are taught that all men are created equal. Racism is not institutional in America, and it exists in a very small percentage of individuals.

You could not for instance have an African American President in America where Whites make up 70% of America, and Black Americans only 13%.

In a country that denied people opportunities based on Race or Sex, you could not have a Black Woman giving the rebuttal to the State of The Union Address on National TV, and people like Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Justice Thomas, and others could not exist.

In a Racist Country, you could not have More Black American Millionaires than all the other countries combined together vs America in a Nation where African Americans only make up 13% of The Population.

The Racism Card is a Con Game used to manipulate voters for political power. Yes there will always be some racism in The World, but the best place to be a minority is America, and there isn't even a 2nd place close.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Proud Democrat voters can certainly find great moments to celebrate.....if they are oblivious to the real history of their chosen party.

Said history can be reduced to slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion.



"You see, what do slavery, segregation laws, eugenics, and abortion have in common? They were all top priorities for the Democratic Party throughout history.

• 1828 — Democratic Party is founded by Andrew Jackson — a passionate advocate of slavery and key figure behind the ‘Trail of Tears’ — a state-sanctioned slaughter of around 15,000 Native Americans

WRONG. The Democratic Party was organized in 1834 by Martin van Buren, Jackson's successor. Jackson ran for President three times (1824/1828/1832) without a political party behind him. His body of supporters were simply called "Jacksonians" for lack of a name. His detractors were simply called "Anti-Jacksonians" for the same reason.

But the reason you made this leap is that Martin van Buren was an abolitionist. We can't have that in our propaganda.

• 1866 — Ku Klux Klan is founded by a group of Democratic former confederate soldiers who fought to prevent blacks living in the South from voting

WRONG AGAIN. The Klan was founded by six ex-soldiers (Maj James Crowe, Calvin Jones, Capt John B. Kennedy, Capt John Lester, Maj. Frank O. McCord, Richard R. Reed), at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee, the office of Jones' father, Christmas 1865, not 66, BEFORE there was any postwar voting going on, BEFORE that state had rejoined the union, as a college fraternity-type activity modeled directly after Kuklos Adelphon, having no political purpose and its founders having no political affiliations, Tennessee having no political parties to affiliate with at the time anyway.

But again the reason you changed the date is that the revised date would obscure the fact that the KKK already existed before Reconstruction, and we can't have those inconvenient dates in our propaganda either. Oh and you gave no names. I just gave you ALL of them. And while we're about it, since that Klan disappeared by 1872 and officially disbanded 1869, it had to be re-formed in 1915 (see next entry) by a huckster former minister named William J. "Colonel Joe" Simmons --- who also had no known political affiliations. That was the much bigger one that spread coast to coast and numbered its members in the millions.

Nor do you seem to mention the existence of literally dozens of similar local/regional vigilante groups springing up like weeds at the time (the Caucasian Club(s) (Louisiana 1869); the Constitutional Union Guard (North Carolina 1868-70); the Council of Safety; Heggie's Scouts (Mississippi); Heroes of America (South Carolina); the Knights of the Black Cross (Mississippi); the Knights of the Red Hand; the Knights of the Rising Sun (Texas 1868); the Knights of the White Camellia (Louisiana 1867-69); the Knights of the White Carnation (Alabama); Men of Justice; Native Sons of the South (Mississippi); Order of Pale Faces (Tennessee 1869 or 1867); the Order of the White Rose; Red Caps (Tennessee); Red Jackets (Tennessee); Red Strings (South Carolina); the Robertson Family (Mississippi); the Society of the White Rose (Mississippi); the Seymour Knights (Louisiana); the Southern Cross (New Orléans1865); the White Brotherhood (North Carolina 1868-70); the White League (Louisiana 1874); the White Line (Mississippi); the Yellow Jackets (Tennessee) and the '76 Association (Louisiana 1869) (partial list) ---- where's my propaganda bullshit about how "Democrats" founded all these too, even in places that were not part of the United States and/or had no political parties? How were they prescient to form themselves to prevent voting that wasn't even going on yet? And why so many groups? If you're going to organize something to oppose a single national political party, wouldn't you do so with a single national organization?

• 1915— First motion-picture movie to be shown in the White House is The Birth of Nation, a Democratic-Party produced propaganda film depicting the KKK as heroes.

WRONG. "Birth of a Nation" was strictly Hollywood, born of the controversial Thomas Dixon book "The Clansman" (1905) which begat a play, which begat the film, all of which were begat by the Cult of the Lost Cause which had started rewriting history soon after the Civil War, imagining the "nobility" of the Southern cause. Both Dixon and Griffith were Southerners and proponents of the Lost Cause, which also begat a flurry of activity from the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) who spent most of their resources literally rewriting history books and putting up hundreds of monuments and statues all over the country to sell this revisionist propaganda, in public places where they would propagandize the most. Those would be the same monuments and statues recently under fire to be removed FROM those public spaces.

​

Back to the film, the 1915 "Birth of a Nation" which did indeed portray the Klan of decades past as heroes -- part of the Lost Cause revisionism --- sparked a national buzz, which in turn incited the aforementioned Simmons to rent a bus and take some sycophants up Stone Mountain on Thanksgiving that year to re-establish the Klan under a bible, an unsheathed sword, and the first-ever Klan burning cross, an affectation he took from the movie, which just made it up. In short, both the 1915 Klan and the film "Birth of a Nation" were undertaken for the same simple reason --- to make money for their creators.


Simmons too had no political affiliation and he pointedly described his Klan effusively as ""the most powerful, secret, non-political organization in existence" (Wade, The Fiery Cross, p. 151). Nevertheless after control was wrested away from Simmons the Klan did dabble in politics in the 1920s, electing Rice Means (Sen, CO), Owen Brewster (Gov/Sen, ME), Ben Paulen (Gov, KS), Clarence Morley (Gov, CO), Ed Jackson (Gov, IN), George Baker (Mayor, Portland OR) and numerous local officers and Reps in various states such as one Albert Johnson:

>> Johnson was the chief author of the Immigration Act of 1924, which in 1927 he justified as a bulwark against "a stream of alien blood, with all its inherited misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed."[2] Johnson has been described as "an unusually energetic and vehement racist and nativist."[3] He was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the mentally disabled. In support of his 1919 proposal to suspend immigration he included this quote from a State Department Official referring to Jewish people as "filthy, un-American, and often dangerous in their habits."[4]

– The Klan was public and effusive in its support of Albert Johnson. Time Magazine noted in 1924 that Johnson’s immigration restriction law was “generally supported by the West and South, admittedly with the backing of the Ku Klux Klan.” It reported in 1926 that one of the national KKK’s top four political priorities was the “Renomination and re-election of Representative Albert Johnson of Washington, so he can continue to be Chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and fight for restricted immigration laws.” << (Wiki)​

All of the aforementioned --- Johnson, Means, Brewster, Paulen, Morley, Jackson, Baker --- were Republicans. Not to mention the same Klan endorsed Calvin Cooldige in 1924 and Herbert Hoover in 1928 while running a national smear campaign against the Democrat Al Smith.

None of this of course makes the Klan "Republicans" --- that would require Ass-ociation Fallacy, which is your domain. But it sure as hell doesn't make them "Democrats" either. That Klan opposed not just blacks but Jews (part of its founding contingent had participated in the Leo Frank lynch mob), immigrants, Catholics and labor unions, all of which were and are Democratic Party constituents. Not real smart to organize a hate group against your own base, now is it.

DUH.

• 1960s — “I’ll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years” – Lyndon B. Johnson

Unsourced uncorroborated myth-quote.




Prove *ANYTHING* I've posted above to be inaccurate. You know, like I just did yours.

What's more you've been told *ALL* of this in the past, REPEATEDLY, have *NEVER* refuted a single one of my facts, and yet here you are spraying the same shitstorm expecting different results. Message board masturbation.

Funeral services for this OP will be held Feb 6th, 2019, 10:00 am...at Mt. Calvary Baptist Church By The Rock On The Hill....Rev. Jeremiah Wright will give the eulogy....

View attachment 244253

Then, Obama chooses as his spiritual guide, the anti-American pastor-nee-Muslim, Jeremiah Wright.

“Long before Reverend Wright entered the national stage, Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, in the March 19, 2007 issue, dropped this little gem:

Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”

The racist paranoia of AIDS being developed by white America to kill blacks and other inexcusable statements are from the same framework of the NOI and Farrakhan. In fact:

In 1984, Wright was one of the inner circle that traveled with Farrakhan to visit Libyan strongman Col. Muammar Khadafy.

…why did Wright’s church put the racist and anti-Semitic Farrakhan on the cover of its magazine Trumpet? Why did Trinity Church post:
a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group’s official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America’s Declaration of Independence[?]


The three points above show a consistent pattern of Wright parroting not only the language and but also the attitude of the Nation of Islam.

The Reverend Wright may no longer be a Muslim, but he clearly embraces Hamas, Minister Farrakhan and others because they dovetail with his established world view, as with other syncretic religions.

Reverend Wright’s hate speeches are a glimpse of someone who has blended Nation of Islam and Black Nationalist Liberation Theology into a subversive Christianity,…”
Jeremiah Wright Was a Muslim: Why That Matters


A comfortable arena for our Muslim former President.

Rev Wright was both a former marine and naval medical officer (serving on president LBJ's medical team) --- he later got a masters degree in English and a masters degree in divinity from University of Chicago Divinity School ...all back in the late 60's..he also has a doctorate in divinity from United Theological Seminary...he became pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, back in 1971....

Where is it that he was a muslim again?

You people are astoundingly pathetic with the lies....

I never lie.

Let's prove it together:


Now….if Wright is a Christian….as Obama claims to be, too….how to explain this:


“Muslim Brotherhood – Jeremiah Wright Declares that Yahweh is Allah


Jeremiah Wright declares that the God he worships is the same as Allah, the God of the Muslims.”

Muslim Brotherhood – Jeremiah Wright Declares that Yahweh is Allah

You are almost too stupid to be taken seriously....

You do understand that his point is that Allah, Yahweh, etc is all one God right?

Do you know that the Quran mentions Jesus over a 100 times? Does that make muslims Christians?

Muslims also believe:

1. Jesus, Mary, and the angel Gabriel are all in the Quran (as are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a bunch of other Bible characters).
2. Muslims believe that Jesus (called "Isa" in Arabic) was a prophet of God, was born to a virgin (Mary), and will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal ("the false messiah"), also known as the Antichrist. All of which may sound pretty familiar to many Christians.
3. Mary (called "Maryam" in Arabic) has an entire chapter in the Quran named for her — the only chapter in the Quran named for a female figure. In fact, Mary is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the entire Quran.
4. Just as with all the other prophets, including Mohammed, Muslims recite, "Peace be upon him" every time they refer to Jesus.

But since you think acknowledging that all 3 of the major faiths pray to the same God -- you think that makes someone a muslim? You people are pathetic...

 

[Mac1958]

I often wonder if ideologues are just kidding around when they start threads like this, or if they are just so lost in their ideology that they can literally talk themselves (and each other) into the unthinkable.

These people appear to really believe that there is no racism coming from the Right, and that conservatives are, and have always been, the one and only friend of minorities. How much pure, old fashioned racism from the Right must they be unconsciously blinding themselves to? Including right here, on good ol' USMB? Every single day?

Sure, it's funny, on a micro level. But on a macro scale, this stuff is more than a little scary. It appears they really do believe this.
.

Conservatives by default are taught that all men are created equal. Racism is not institutional in America, and it exists in a very small percentage of individuals.

You could not for instance have an African American President in America where Whites make up 70% of America, and Black Americans only 13%.

In a country that denied people opportunities based on Race or Sex, you could not have a Black Woman giving the rebuttal to the State of The Union Address on National TV, and people like Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Justice Thomas, and others could not exist.

In a Racist Country, you could not have More Black American Millionaires than all the other countries combined together vs America in a Nation where African Americans only make up 13% of The Population.

The Racism Card is a Con Game used to manipulate voters for political power. Yes there will always be some racism in The World, but the best place to be a minority is America, and there isn't even a 2nd place close.

Do you believe there is any racism coming from the Right in modern-day America?
.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I often wonder if ideologues are just kidding around when they start threads like this, or if they are just so lost in their ideology that they can literally talk themselves (and each other) into the unthinkable.

These people appear to really believe that there is no racism coming from the Right, and that conservatives are, and have always been, the one and only friend of minorities. How much pure, old fashioned racism from the Right must they be unconsciously blinding themselves to? Including right here, on good ol' USMB? Every single day?

Sure, it's funny, on a micro level. But on a macro scale, this stuff is more than a little scary. It appears they really do believe this.
.

Conservatives by default are taught that all men are created equal. Racism is not institutional in America, and it exists in a very small percentage of individuals.

You could not for instance have an African American President in America where Whites make up 70% of America, and Black Americans only 13%.

In a country that denied people opportunities based on Race or Sex, you could not have a Black Woman giving the rebuttal to the State of The Union Address on National TV, and people like Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Justice Thomas, and others could not exist.

In a Racist Country, you could not have More Black American Millionaires than all the other countries combined together vs America in a Nation where African Americans only make up 13% of The Population.

The Racism Card is a Con Game used to manipulate voters for political power. Yes there will always be some racism in The World, but the best place to be a minority is America, and there isn't even a 2nd place close.

And the fact that all of the rest of the presidents in this country are all white men does not mean that the white man is oppressed...you do understand that right?

 

[Pogo]

3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.

Once AGAIN --- Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, never has been. Nor has he ever been a communist for that matter, but these are simply "facts".

And AGAIN --- political parties do not place Xmas tree ornaments.

Your obsession with Composition Fallacies continues to be amusing in a shovely kind of way

 

[beautress]

I have a question about this: 2019 — Reproductive Health Act legalises the murdering of a child up to the day of birth

Is this a proposal? Has the House voted on it? And did the Senate pass it if it got to them yet. Thanks. I'm not up on the Reproductive Health Act and didn't know about it.

Thanks.

 

[PoliticalChic]

WRONG. The Democratic Party was organized in 1834 by Martin van Buren, Jackson's successor. Jackson ran for President three times (1824/1828/1832) without a political party behind him. His body of supporters were simply called "Jacksonians" for lack of a name. His detractors were simply called "Anti-Jacksonians" for the same reason.

But the reason you made this leap is that Martin van Buren was an abolitionist. We can't have that in our propaganda.


WRONG AGAIN. The Klan was founded by six ex-soldiers (Maj James Crowe, Calvin Jones, Capt John B. Kennedy, Capt John Lester, Maj. Frank O. McCord, Richard R. Reed), at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee, the office of Jones' father, Christmas 1865, not 66, BEFORE there was any postwar voting going on, BEFORE that state had rejoined the union, as a college fraternity-type activity modeled directly after Kuklos Adelphon, having no political purpose and its founders having no political affiliations, Tennessee having no political parties to affiliate with at the time anyway.

But again the reason you changed the date is that the revised date would obscure the fact that the KKK already existed before Reconstruction, and we can't have those inconvenient dates in our propaganda either. Oh and you gave no names. I just gave you ALL of them. And while we're about it, since that Klan disappeared by 1872 and officially disbanded 1869, it had to be re-formed in 1915 (see next entry) by a huckster former minister named William J. "Colonel Joe" Simmons --- who also had no known political affiliations. That was the much bigger one that spread coast to coast and numbered its members in the millions.

Nor do you seem to mention the existence of literally dozens of similar local/regional vigilante groups springing up like weeds at the time (the Caucasian Club(s) (Louisiana 1869); the Constitutional Union Guard (North Carolina 1868-70); the Council of Safety; Heggie's Scouts (Mississippi); Heroes of America (South Carolina); the Knights of the Black Cross (Mississippi); the Knights of the Red Hand; the Knights of the Rising Sun (Texas 1868); the Knights of the White Camellia (Louisiana 1867-69); the Knights of the White Carnation (Alabama); Men of Justice; Native Sons of the South (Mississippi); Order of Pale Faces (Tennessee 1869 or 1867); the Order of the White Rose; Red Caps (Tennessee); Red Jackets (Tennessee); Red Strings (South Carolina); the Robertson Family (Mississippi); the Society of the White Rose (Mississippi); the Seymour Knights (Louisiana); the Southern Cross (New Orléans1865); the White Brotherhood (North Carolina 1868-70); the White League (Louisiana 1874); the White Line (Mississippi); the Yellow Jackets (Tennessee) and the '76 Association (Louisiana 1869) (partial list) ---- where's my propaganda bullshit about how "Democrats" founded all these too, even in places that were not part of the United States and/or had no political parties? How were they prescient to form themselves to prevent voting that wasn't even going on yet? And why so many groups? If you're going to organize something to oppose a single national political party, wouldn't you do so with a single national organization?


WRONG. "Birth of a Nation" was strictly Hollywood, born of the controversial Thomas Dixon book "The Clansman" (1905) which begat a play, which begat the film, all of which were begat by the Cult of the Lost Cause which had started rewriting history soon after the Civil War, imagining the "nobility" of the Southern cause. Both Dixon and Griffith were Southerners and proponents of the Lost Cause, which also begat a flurry of activity from the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) who spent most of their resources literally rewriting history books and putting up hundreds of monuments and statues all over the country to sell this revisionist propaganda, in public places where they would propagandize the most. Those would be the same monuments and statues recently under fire to be removed FROM those public spaces.

​

Back to the film, the 1915 "Birth of a Nation" which did indeed portray the Klan of decades past as heroes -- part of the Lost Cause revisionism --- sparked a national buzz, which in turn incited the aforementioned Simmons to rent a bus and take some sycophants up Stone Mountain on Thanksgiving that year to re-establish the Klan under a bible, an unsheathed sword, and the first-ever Klan burning cross, an affectation he took from the movie, which just made it up. In short, both the 1915 Klan and the film "Birth of a Nation" were undertaken for the same simple reason --- to make money for their creators.


Simmons too had no political affiliation and he pointedly described his Klan effusively as ""the most powerful, secret, non-political organization in existence" (Wade, The Fiery Cross, p. 151). Nevertheless after control was wrested away from Simmons the Klan did dabble in politics in the 1920s, electing Rice Means (Sen, CO), Owen Brewster (Gov/Sen, ME), Ben Paulen (Gov, KS), Clarence Morley (Gov, CO), Ed Jackson (Gov, IN), George Baker (Mayor, Portland OR) and numerous local officers and Reps in various states such as one Albert Johnson:

>> Johnson was the chief author of the Immigration Act of 1924, which in 1927 he justified as a bulwark against "a stream of alien blood, with all its inherited misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed."[2] Johnson has been described as "an unusually energetic and vehement racist and nativist."[3] He was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the mentally disabled. In support of his 1919 proposal to suspend immigration he included this quote from a State Department Official referring to Jewish people as "filthy, un-American, and often dangerous in their habits."[4]

– The Klan was public and effusive in its support of Albert Johnson. Time Magazine noted in 1924 that Johnson’s immigration restriction law was “generally supported by the West and South, admittedly with the backing of the Ku Klux Klan.” It reported in 1926 that one of the national KKK’s top four political priorities was the “Renomination and re-election of Representative Albert Johnson of Washington, so he can continue to be Chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and fight for restricted immigration laws.” << (Wiki)​

All of the aforementioned --- Johnson, Means, Brewster, Paulen, Morley, Jackson, Baker --- were Republicans. Not to mention the same Klan endorsed Calvin Cooldige in 1924 and Herbert Hoover in 1928 while running a national smear campaign against the Democrat Al Smith.

None of this of course makes the Klan "Republicans" --- that would require Ass-ociation Fallacy, which is your domain. But it sure as hell doesn't make them "Democrats" either. That Klan opposed not just blacks but Jews (part of its founding contingent had participated in the Leo Frank lynch mob), immigrants, Catholics and labor unions, all of which were and are Democratic Party constituents. Not real smart to organize a hate group against your own base, now is it.

DUH.

Unsourced uncorroborated myth-quote.




Prove *ANYTHING* I've posted above to be inaccurate. You know, like I just did yours.

What's more you've been told *ALL* of this in the past, REPEATEDLY, have *NEVER* refuted a single one of my facts, and yet here you are spraying the same shitstorm expecting different results. Message board masturbation.

Funeral services for this OP will be held Feb 6th, 2019, 10:00 am...at Mt. Calvary Baptist Church By The Rock On The Hill....Rev. Jeremiah Wright will give the eulogy....

View attachment 244253

Then, Obama chooses as his spiritual guide, the anti-American pastor-nee-Muslim, Jeremiah Wright.

“Long before Reverend Wright entered the national stage, Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, in the March 19, 2007 issue, dropped this little gem:

Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”

The racist paranoia of AIDS being developed by white America to kill blacks and other inexcusable statements are from the same framework of the NOI and Farrakhan. In fact:

In 1984, Wright was one of the inner circle that traveled with Farrakhan to visit Libyan strongman Col. Muammar Khadafy.

…why did Wright’s church put the racist and anti-Semitic Farrakhan on the cover of its magazine Trumpet? Why did Trinity Church post:
a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group’s official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America’s Declaration of Independence[?]


The three points above show a consistent pattern of Wright parroting not only the language and but also the attitude of the Nation of Islam.

The Reverend Wright may no longer be a Muslim, but he clearly embraces Hamas, Minister Farrakhan and others because they dovetail with his established world view, as with other syncretic religions.

Reverend Wright’s hate speeches are a glimpse of someone who has blended Nation of Islam and Black Nationalist Liberation Theology into a subversive Christianity,…”
Jeremiah Wright Was a Muslim: Why That Matters


A comfortable arena for our Muslim former President.

Rev Wright was both a former marine and naval medical officer (serving on president LBJ's medical team) --- he later got a masters degree in English and a masters degree in divinity from University of Chicago Divinity School ...all back in the late 60's..he also has a doctorate in divinity from United Theological Seminary...he became pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, back in 1971....

Where is it that he was a muslim again?

You people are astoundingly pathetic with the lies....

I never lie.

Let's prove it together:


Now….if Wright is a Christian….as Obama claims to be, too….how to explain this:


“Muslim Brotherhood – Jeremiah Wright Declares that Yahweh is Allah


Jeremiah Wright declares that the God he worships is the same as Allah, the God of the Muslims.”

Muslim Brotherhood – Jeremiah Wright Declares that Yahweh is Allah

You are almost too stupid to be taken seriously....

You do understand that his point is that Allah, Yahweh, etc is all one God right?

Do you know that the Quran mentions Jesus over a 100 times? Does that make muslims Christians?

Muslims also believe:

1. Jesus, Mary, and the angel Gabriel are all in the Quran (as are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a bunch of other Bible characters).
2. Muslims believe that Jesus (called "Isa" in Arabic) was a prophet of God, was born to a virgin (Mary), and will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal ("the false messiah"), also known as the Antichrist. All of which may sound pretty familiar to many Christians.
3. Mary (called "Maryam" in Arabic) has an entire chapter in the Quran named for her — the only chapter in the Quran named for a female figure. In fact, Mary is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the entire Quran.
4. Just as with all the other prophets, including Mohammed, Muslims recite, "Peace be upon him" every time they refer to Jesus.

But since you think acknowledging that all 3 of the major faiths pray to the same God -- you think that makes someone a muslim? You people are pathetic...

Can you actually be this stupid???????


In no way are those identified in the Bible the same as those with the same names in the Q'ran.


" According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means. This view disagrees with the foundation of the Gospel. Instead, the Quran says "God raised him unto Himself," which happens to agree with the Gospel message of Isa ascending into heaven. In the 19th Sura of the Quran (verse 33), Jesus is believed to have said "And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive", a similar statement that John the Baptistdeclared a few verses earlier in the same Sura. Muslim tradition believes this to mean Jesus will experience a natural death with all mankind after returning to earth, being raised to life again on the day of judgment.

Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered a Muslim (i.e., one who submits to the will of God), as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path" as commanded by God. Traditionally, Islam teaches the rejection of the Trinitarian Christian view that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God. The Quran says that Jesus himself never claimed to be the Son of God, and it furthermore indicates that Jesus will deny having ever claimed divinity at the Last Judgment, and God will vindicate him.[5] "
Jesus in Islam - Wikipedia

Even you must begin to notice that I don't simply
destroy the lies you've been taught.....


.....I pulverize them.



Why are you Liberal drones such cowards, and have never done your own research????

 

[PoliticalChic]

I have a question about this: 2019 — Reproductive Health Act legalises the murdering of a child up to the day of birth

Is this a proposal? Has the House voted on it? And did the Senate pass it if it got to them yet. Thanks. I'm not up on the Reproductive Health Act and didn't know about it.

Thanks.

It is a NYState law, enacted by NY Democrats.



The same idea was supported by Democrat Virginia Governor Northam

It failed in the Virginia House of Delegates because there are more Republicans there.

 

[beautress]

I have a question about this: 2019 — Reproductive Health Act legalises the murdering of a child up to the day of birth

Is this a proposal? Has the House voted on it? And did the Senate pass it if it got to them yet. Thanks. I'm not up on the Reproductive Health Act and didn't know about it.

Thanks.

It is a NYState law, enacted by NY Democrats.



The same idea was supported by Democrat Virginia Governor Northam

It failed in the Virginia House of Delegates because there are more Republicans there.

Thanks, PoliticalChic. Killing a baby at birth horrifies me, and just thinking about aborting a preborn American citizen just makes me sick at my stomach, and I don't think the Supreme Court Justices really thought of the consequences of having 58 million preborn American citizens suffering a painful, cruel death instead of a chance at living a life its parents bestowed upon it, then one or both of them decided to take that chance away. Sometimes at evening vespers, I just cry. Killing makes a person angry, and sometimes drives them to kill some more. I think they know not what they do, because if they did, their future would be as destroyed as the little person they did away with in a moment of human despair, goaded on by an asocial sisterhood of sorts. Serial killers are said to be asocial, and now we have millions of women who have committed themselves to have abortions instead of giving their child the gift of life. A society of asocial people cannot stand. And that's what I think. 58 million abortions are only the ones the doctors report. That's all. Thanks again for clarification.

I pray that someone will establish for this society what scientists have known for centuries: life starts out (begins) when the egg fertilizes and lodges in its mother. From then on, it needs protection for its presence to come out into the world after 9 months of growing strong enough to withstand the rest of life's stages in the open air.

 

[RealDave]

Do Conservatives Know Much About Conservative History?

Its almost like conservatives forget about the John Birch Society.....or the early William F Buckley years before he moved away from overt racism after it became socially unfashionable; although his conservative publications did not -- and when conservatives do delve into the history of Buckley and National Review, they almost always whitewash the past to ignore or minimize the role played by racism.

And since most conservatives call Buckley the father of modern conservatism, how about we talk about his mentor "Willmoore Kendall" -- He is the guy who theorized the rhetorical appeal to populism that was later developed to great effect by politicians like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and Donald Trump. So it’s important to realize that the masses Kendall wanted to appeal to were, from the start, white people, not America as a whole -- this is why many conservatives like him were in full support of Jim Crow laws as well as apartheid in South Africa.

But the problem with these arguments is that, its easy to point to one party or another and find racists along the way -- what were the policies those parties fought for and implemented?

If you are going to claim that the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were not good steps to take in the right direction towards equality for all people, just because LBJ said something racist, you are an idiot....

You are going to have a hard time beating the victimization drum, when the left give a carte blanche to every minority to be bigots toward straight folks, Christians, men, white folks, etc.

It's getting to the point, where folks just don't give a **** anymore if you are a racist. Who cares?

Why should we care when these purveyors of hate politics clearly don't? Have you ever seen some of that TEE VEE?

Why do you conservatives never address the ******* comment that was just made?

You do not know much about the history of conservatives do you?

You never heard of the Birch society? You don't know about Barry Goldwater and his opposition to the Civil Rights movement?

Gads, you're a moron.....Goldwater was in the forefront of the civil rights movement.


1. According to this liberal myth, Goldwater and the Republicans were racists and used racism to appeal to racist southerners to change the electoral map. To believe the tale, one must be either a reliable Democrat voter, and/or be ignorant of the history of the time.

2. When Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights act, it was due to libertarian belief that the commerce clause did not allow restrictions on private property.

3. “ He ended racial segregation in his family department stores, and he was instrumental in ending it in Phoenix schools and restaurants and in the Arizona National Guard.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwater30.htm

Democrats today castigate Republican Senator Barry Goldwater as anti-black. However a review of Senator Barry Goldwater’s record shows that he was a Libertarian, not a racist. Goldwater was a member of the Arizona NAACP and was involved in desegregating the Arizona National Guard.

Goldwater also supported the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Act of 1960, as well as the constitutional amendment banning the poll tax. His opposition to the more comprehensive Civil Rights Act of 1964 was based on his libertarian views about government. Goldwater believed that the 1964 Act, as written, unconstitutionally extended the federal government's commerce power to private citizens, furthering the government’s efforts to "legislate morality" and restrict the rights of employers.

It is instructive to read the entire text of Goldwater's 1964 speech at the 28th Republican National Convention, accepting the nomination for president that is available from the Arizona Historical Foundation. By the end of his career, Goldwater was one of the most respected members of either party and was considered a stabilizing influence in the Senate. Senator Goldwater's speech may be found also on the Internet at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm http://www.nationalblackrepublicans...#Democrats_Smeared_Dr._Martin_Luther_King__Jr.

4. Who founded the Arizona chapter of the NAACP?

5. Once the Democrats got involved, civil rights became just another racket with another mob. Unlike previous civil rights laws, the 1964 Civil Rights Act included provisions aimed at purely private actors, raising the hackles of some constitutional purists, notably Barry Goldwater, the Republicans’ 1964 presidential nominee. Goldwater, like the rest of his party, had supported every single civil rights bill until the 1964 act. But he broke with the vast majority of his fellow Republicans to oppose the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Like many other conservatives opposed to a living, growing, breathing Constitution, Goldwater actually opposed only two of the seven major provisions of the bill, those regulating privately owned housing and public accommodations. But there were other provisions he would have made tougher. For example, Goldwater wanted to make it mandatory that federal funds be withheld from programs practicing discrimination, rather than discretionary, as President Kennedy had requested.

Goldwater was a vehement foe of segregation. He was a founder of the NAACP in Arizona, donating the equivalent of several thousand dollars to the organization’s efforts to integrate the public schools. When he was head of the Arizona National Guard, he had integrated the state Guard before Harry Truman announced he was integrating the U.S. military. As the Washington Post said, Goldwater “ended racial segregation in his family department stores, and he was instrumental in ending it in Phoenix schools and restaurants and in the Arizona National Guard.”

But he was also a believer in limited government. It was, after all, racist Democratic politicians in the South using the force of the government to violate private property rights by enforcing the Jim Crow laws in the first place. As Sowell points out, it wasn’t the private bus companies demanding that blacks sit in the back of the bus, it was the government.

Goldwater not only had personally promoted desegregation, he belonged to a party that had been fighting for civil rights for the previous century against Democratic obstructionism. Lyndon Johnson voted against every civil rights bill during his tenure in the Senate. But by the time he became president, he had flipped 180 degrees. Appealing to regional mobs wouldn’t work with a national electorate.

Unlike mob-appeasing Democrats, Goldwater based his objections to certain parts of the 1964 Civil Rights Act on purely constitutional principles. Along with other constitutional purists in the Republican Party, Goldwater opposed federal initiatives in a lot of areas, not just those involving race. By contrast, segregationist Democrats routinely criticized the exercise of federal power and expenditure of federal funds when it involved ending discrimination against blacks, but gladly accepted federal pork projects for their states.

Demonic, chapter 10





Conservative utility is immediate, ineluctable, and applicable across aisles and ages. For proof, consider that even John F. Kennedy, Jr., and his family, staunch political opponents of Barry Goldwater, recognize the value of his conservative assertions. Robert F, Kennedy, Jr., in his afterward to Goldwater’s book, writes: “for Goldwater, the purpose of government was to foster societies where human potential could flourish. Conservatism, he explains in [his] book, is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for the individual that is consistent with the maintenance of the social order.” [See “The Conscience of a Conservative,” Goldwater, p. 123-124.] Christian Camerota, “Reinventing the Right,” p. 28.

I noticed you left out the fact he voted AGAINST the 1964 civil rights act ...I know more about this than you, this is why it is so easy to make you folks look pathetic...

Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)

"I noticed you left out the fact he voted AGAINST the 1964 civil rights act ...I know more about this than you, this is why it is so easy to make you folks look pathetic..."


You 'noticed' no such thing, you lying low-life.

I wrote this:

"Gads, you're a moron.....Goldwater was in the forefront of the civil rights movement.


1. According to this liberal myth, Goldwater and the Republicans were racists and used racism to appeal to racist southerners to change the electoral map. To believe the tale, one must be either a reliable Democrat voter, and/or be ignorant of the history of the time.

2. When Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights act, it was due to libertarian belief that the commerce clause did not allow restrictions on private property.




Now, where is your apology??????????

So he did vote against it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I have a question about this: 2019 — Reproductive Health Act legalises the murdering of a child up to the day of birth

Is this a proposal? Has the House voted on it? And did the Senate pass it if it got to them yet. Thanks. I'm not up on the Reproductive Health Act and didn't know about it.

Thanks.

It is a NYState law, enacted by NY Democrats.



The same idea was supported by Democrat Virginia Governor Northam

It failed in the Virginia House of Delegates because there are more Republicans there.

Thanks, PoliticalChic. Killing a baby at birth horrifies me, and just thinking about aborting a preborn American citizen just makes me sick at my stomach, and I don't think the Supreme Court Justices really thought of the consequences of having 58 million preborn American citizens suffering a painful, cruel death instead of a chance at living a life its parents bestowed upon it, then one or both of them decided to take that chance away. Sometimes at evening vespers, I just cry. Killing makes a person angry, and sometimes drives them to kill some more. I think they know not what they do, because if they did, their future would be as destroyed as the little person they did away with in a moment of human despair, goaded on by an asocial sisterhood of sorts. Serial killers are said to be asocial, and now we have millions of women who have committed themselves to have abortions instead of giving their child the gift of life. A society of asocial people cannot stand. And that's what I think. 58 million abortions are only the ones the doctors report. That's all. Thanks again for clarification.

I pray that someone will establish for this society what scientists have known for centuries: life starts out (begins) when the egg fertilizes and lodges in its mother. From then on, it needs protection for its presence to come out into the world after 9 months of growing strong enough to withstand the rest of life's stages in the open air.

B-.....I've documented both
a. the horrific history of the Democrat Party.....slavery, segregation laws, eugenics

None of the adherents have been able to deny said history


b. now, with the NYDemocrats, and the Democrats of Virginia, we find that it is also the party of abortion and infancticide
Yet.....their supporters stick to the party like manure to a wet blanket.


It presages the end of America.....and perhaps of Western Civilization.





"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky