but you have nothing to say about what your buddy called Mccain?.....some vet you are Dean.....this is one of the reasons why very few here respect what you have to say.....if a Republican would have called a one of our Prisoners of War what that piece of shit called McCain.....you would be all over the ******.....but because Lakota thinks your a great guy.....it goes right by you.....i never figured you to allow a vet to be talked about like that,but gee i guess your one of those phonies who defend the vets if its the right vet..... your a pathetic example of Humanity Dean.....you and your Ball sucker friend Lakoota.....
I volunteered for the military. No one "helped" me get in. I didn't crash 5 jets. 167 men didn't die because I was hot dogging on the Forestall. I didn't disobey orders and fly so low I was shot down. I wasn't one of the Keating 5. You can't have respect for someone unless they show common sense respect.
No one died on the Forrestal because of McCain. The film of that incident clearly shows up your comment for what it is -- a lie.
Doug Reese
Mary Hershberger: Investigating John McCain’s Tragedy at Sea - Truthdig
Whatever the circumstances of the fireÂ’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the shipÂ’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilotÂ’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCainÂ’s plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident.
McCain’s own father, after seeing his son several weeks later, sent a letter to relatives and friends about the fire saying, “Happily for all of us, he [John] came through without a scratch.”2
McCain does not mention receiving permission to leave the still-burning ship. Merv Rowland, a commander and chief engineering officer of the Forrestal at the time of the fire, told me that he had not known that McCain left the ship within 30 hours of the fire and that he found this “extraordinary.” Rowland added that only the severely wounded were allowed to leave the ship and that no one, as far as he knew, would have been given permission to fly to Saigon for R&R. McCain’s quick flight off the Forrestal meant that he missed the memorial service for his dead comrades held the following day in the South China Sea.
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There is so much cover up in this story. No one will ever know the "full truth". McCain father and grandfather were both admirals. Some of those that survived have said McCain was airlifted off, even though he wasn't injured, because the crew wanted to kill him for starting the fire. McCain has never attended a single Forestal Memorial. Other witnesses have said McCain did a "stunt" called a "wet start" where fuel is pooled inside the aircraft and shot out in a loud pop. That another plane moved up behind him and that set off a rocket that started the fire.
What we do know is that McCain is the ONLY person airlifted off the ship who wasn't injured. McCain was the only officer on deck who wasn't decorated. McCain refused to attend a single Memorial. And McCain ran away once the fire started. His plane was right at the location where the fire started.
If it smells like shit, looks like shit and sticks to your shoe like shit, it's "shit". No doubt about it.