Governor To Cut Collective Baragaining.

[NYcarbineer]

You cannot be forced to join a union.

You are ******* either stupid, or trolling. Most jobs that in union shops REQUIRE you to join the union. Either that or quit.

Another liberal idiot talking out of their ass...

It's federal law, fathead.

Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

 

[NYcarbineer]

Tell me, once you have broken the teachers' unions, and teaching is a lower paying job, with fewer benefits, and less job security,

The marketplace will determine what salaries and benefits they get - just like for everyone else. If only poor candidates are attracted, then starting salaries will rise, really not too hard to grasp.

what incentives do you plan to use to get the best and brightest in America to become teachers??

And the LIFO work rules that that ******* **** Mulgrew and the UFT and other teachers' unions want to retain will attract young teachers into the profession? WTF are you talking about?

Show me one place where cutting teacher's pay has attracted better teachers.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is just another front in the internationalist money interests' war on American labor.

WE (as in the American working class) is too prosperous, by global standards. WE are an affront to the international capitalists' interests, because we still cling to a bit more prosperity than most of the rest of the world's working classes.

Bringing down the industrial labor unions, and destroying that 'overpaid' segment of the American working class has been relatively easy, since the jobs can be exported to the worlds of 30 cents an hour, etc.

The service sector, which includes much of the public sector, is a bit more challenging for the internationalists, since those jobs generally can't be exported. But those jobs, and the unions that represent those workers, are under attack too now.

Normally the public employee union apologizers spew talking points from the Soros/Moveon.org websites that while laughable, are somewhat entertaining - but this garbage is straight out of the Socialist Worker's Daily manual for ******* idiots...

Funny you're too stupid a fat **** to refute one bit of it.

 

[shintao]

So you favor cutting peoples wages and benefits. Just a couple of questions, do you work, and do you call yourself a capitalist?

Like most adults over 12 who have ever had a real job, we favor lower taxes so that companies can earn a profit and hire more people, creating efficient private sector jobs.

Interestingly how all blue states - and nations like Greece and Spain - with enormous public sectors and spending - are bankrupt...

You evaded my question. do you work, and do you call yourself a capitalist?

 

[rdking647]

if this is such an emergency why did the governor exclude the 3 unions that endorssed him???

that proves how full of shit the governor is..

 

[shintao]

I don't envision the scenario playing out like you do. I see Nationally the Unions seeing this as the test bed. If it goes down, the rest of Unions will tumble. So I see a National protest to wake Republicans up to the reality of Union power. They may shut down America. It will only take a week to bring republicans to their knees.

Lets say you fired teachers. That still shuts the schools down, and makes Repugs look like a villain. And it would shut down government as well, from DMV to prisons to the capitol building. How is that going to look for the governor?

Nah, I don't see your picture among the cards. Protesting is a way of saying, you are being warned, pay attention, wake up people, shit is going to happen.

I have news for you kid, we have 20% unemployment in this country, we can fire EVERY ******* public employee tomorrow - and have 100 people show up to replace each and every one of them.

LMAO! Think so huh? Why haven't you done it then, kid.........

The nanosecond they go on some major strike, and yes, the shit WILL hit the fan - you might see people start attacking the striking public workers. The tolerance of these thieves is OVER.

Yes, I am counting on a national shutdown, but state-wide shutdowns might be more to the point. I doubt you will see any citizens attacking union members, they can't even get out of bed for WMDs, torture, murder or rape. Your dreaming, kid...........

 

[shintao]

I'm at home helping my wife recover from a double mastectomy, otherwise I would be in my classroom with my high school students. That's where the Wisconsin teachers ought to be right now. There's nothing wrong with chipping in a little on one's retirement and health care plan. My very large school system has not had a COLA or step increase in two years. I have refused to join the union for ideological reasons plus they want almost 100 bucks per month. They bug me twice a month to join extolling the benefits of membership like fighting for your salaries and great health care plans. I make plenty of money and am covered by Tricare Prime. You say, "what if you need them to provide legal representation if you screw up?" If I or any other teacher needs a lawyer, get rid of us. There are 20 or more teachers per job opening trying to work for this school district. Let's just do our job.

This is what a true American sounded like in 1776, in 1941, and god bless you, there are some still around today

People like this restore my faith in America - and humanity.

**** YOU public employee unions.

LMAO!! The nonunion dude has it so good, he is playing nurse for his wife and obviously not working, so borrowing on his house or drawing off his investments. The Union would have a nurse tending to his wife, and he could still be doing his job. He is spending all those hundreds he didn't pay dues for. TSK!!!

And **** you scab.

 

[Big Fitz]

I have lived in "right to work" states.
It turns out be more an employers rights thing not employees.

Beware of any law with a good sounding name.

Like National Health Care?

 

[shintao]

You cannot be forced to join a union.

You are ******* either stupid, or trolling. Most jobs that in union shops REQUIRE you to join the union. Either that or quit.

Another liberal idiot talking out of their ass...

Well,.........you can quit can't you? Another whining scab who is an embarrassment to America & the capitalist system.

 

[Harry Dresden]

why?.....do the bosses in the Govt treat their employees better than the public sector?...are working conditions so great,are the Employees treated with so much respect that everyone is just happy to be at work?....is that why Unions should be banned in the Public Sector?.....

Why? Do bosses in the private sector treat their employees any worse? There is a reason why 91% of private sector workers - as per the OP's poll - do not wish to join a union.

Unions have no business whatsoever in the public sector, none:

The camera focuses on an official of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), California’s largest public-employee union, sitting in a legislative chamber and speaking into a microphone. “We helped to get you into office, and we got a good memory,” she says matter-of-factly to the elected officials outside the shot. “Come November, if you don’t back our program, we’ll get you out of office.’"

your talking about the financial part....i understand that.....i am talking about the legions of asshole supervisors in the Govt who treat people like shit.....the higher ups aint going to do anything about it......all the PO does is move the asshole to another city so the person can be an asshole there.. our Union,and im not saying they are without any faults,but they do get on the PO for abusive and rule violating Supervisors.....

There is a reason why 91% of private sector workers - as per the OP's poll - do not wish to join a union.

im sorry but i think this is way out of line.....i deliver mail to a lot of different types of workers and many i hear talking about the job wish they had a Union because the guys in the same industry as they are who are Unionized...are making more and have better Benefits....just sayin....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The marketplace will determine what salaries and benefits they get - just like for everyone else. If only poor candidates are attracted, then starting salaries will rise, really not too hard to grasp.

but you are saying they cant afford to pay the higher salaries.....so if only shitty teachers apply.....then the higher salaries are back on?.......so what about the budget in that case?....

 

[rhodescholar]

Really? You can replace every teacher, policeman, corrections officer, firefighter, for starters,

tomorrow?

lol, will they be documented, dumbass?

Since you decided to insult rather than use facts, you prove what a lowlife piece of shit trash so many leftwing assholes are.

And with 20% of NYC on welfare, and another 10-15% out of work, yes ******* idiot, they can all be replaced quite easily.

Thanks for asking douchebag.

 

[rhodescholar]

It's federal law, fathead.

Nice try ******* moron, next time READ WHAT YOU POST:

"Answer: You may not be required to be a union member. But, if you do not work in a Right to Work state, you may be required to pay union fees."

 

[rhodescholar]

Funny you're too..

"internationalist money interests..."

Sorry cunthole, no need to refute garbage conspiracies like that.

How about getting off of welfare scumbag - or the public employee union make-work "job" - and get a real one some day, asshole?

 

[rhodescholar]

Well,.........you can quit can't you? Another whining scab who is an embarrassment to America & the capitalist system.

I own my own business, asshole moron.

 

[rhodescholar]

but you are saying they cant afford to pay the higher salaries.....so if only shitty teachers apply.....then the higher salaries are back on?.......so what about the budget in that case?....

Then since it is a zero sum game, and taxes can not be increased any longer, than salaries will have to be cut elsewhere, or productivity gains made, somewhere to make up for it.

 

[old navy]

I'm at home helping my wife recover from a double mastectomy, otherwise I would be in my classroom with my high school students. That's where the Wisconsin teachers ought to be right now. There's nothing wrong with chipping in a little on one's retirement and health care plan. My very large school system has not had a COLA or step increase in two years. I have refused to join the union for ideological reasons plus they want almost 100 bucks per month. They bug me twice a month to join extolling the benefits of membership like fighting for your salaries and great health care plans. I make plenty of money and am covered by Tricare Prime. You say, "what if you need them to provide legal representation if you screw up?" If I or any other teacher needs a lawyer, get rid of us. There are 20 or more teachers per job opening trying to work for this school district. Let's just do our job.

This is what a true American sounded like in 1776, in 1941, and god bless you, there are some still around today

People like this restore my faith in America - and humanity.

**** YOU public employee unions.

LMAO!! The nonunion dude has it so good, he is playing nurse for his wife and obviously not working, so borrowing on his house or drawing off his investments. The Union would have a nurse tending to his wife, and he could still be doing his job. He is spending all those hundreds he didn't pay dues for. TSK!!!

And **** you scab.

shitaou,

Thanks for asking about my wife. She is recovering nicely. I had about 6 weeks of sick and personal days built up because I never miss work. I took a couple of those weeks to help my wife because the union, whether I was a member or not, would not have sent a nurse.
They haven't been able to get a COLA or step increase in two years. If they called for a Wisconsin type protest, I would go to work that day.

That would make me a scab. Much like the scabs covering your wimpy ass body if you had the balls to talk like that to me in person. Internet tough guys are pussies away from the keyboard. Remember that the next time you have a chance to prove your manhood in real life. When you cower and cry, go back to your keyboard and blog to the world how tough you are. That will make you feel better. We will all know the truth though, you **** stain.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's not surprising that the former Confederacy make up a good portion of the right to work states.

If you can't get your labor for free, cheap is the next best thing.

So it's better to force people to join a union?

Tell me what freedoms do you actually want people to have?

Why do you presume he wants them to have any freedom?

The right to work issue is about having the choice whether or not to join a union
If you are for forcing people to join a union then you are against people exercising freedom of choice.

So i am merely asking is there anything that you believe people can be free to choose for themselves?

 

[Claudette]

I'm at home helping my wife recover from a double mastectomy, otherwise I would be in my classroom with my high school students. That's where the Wisconsin teachers ought to be right now. There's nothing wrong with chipping in a little on one's retirement and health care plan. My very large school system has not had a COLA or step increase in two years. I have refused to join the union for ideological reasons plus they want almost 100 bucks per month. They bug me twice a month to join extolling the benefits of membership like fighting for your salaries and great health care plans. I make plenty of money and am covered by Tricare Prime. You say, "what if you need them to provide legal representation if you screw up?" If I or any other teacher needs a lawyer, get rid of us. There are 20 or more teachers per job opening trying to work for this school district. Let's just do our job.

Great post Navy.

I agree 100%. I've been a Union member twice in my working life. Both times I had to join to get the job. I've never been impressed with Unions. Still ain't.

I see nothing wrong with having public workers contribute to THEIR pension and benefit packages. We are going through the same thing down here in Florida. I work for a county and our new Gov is asking that we do the same.

No problem as far as I'm concerned. Its my RETIREMENT and benefits and I have no problem with having some skin in the game.

I wonder if the union workers in Wisc. would like the taxes raised like they were in Ill?? I'm sure the rest of the taxpayers wouldn't like to get hosed just so the Union members can keep their cushy retirement and benefit packages.

Just a thought.

 

[Claudette]

This is what a true American sounded like in 1776, in 1941, and god bless you, there are some still around today

People like this restore my faith in America - and humanity.

**** YOU public employee unions.

LMAO!! The nonunion dude has it so good, he is playing nurse for his wife and obviously not working, so borrowing on his house or drawing off his investments. The Union would have a nurse tending to his wife, and he could still be doing his job. He is spending all those hundreds he didn't pay dues for. TSK!!!

And **** you scab.

shitaou,

Thanks for asking about my wife. She is recovering nicely. I had about 6 weeks of sick and personal days built up because I never miss work. I took a couple of those weeks to help my wife because the union, whether I was a member or not, would not have sent a nurse.
They haven't been able to get a COLA or step increase in two years. If they called for a Wisconsin type protest, I would go to work that day.

That would make me a scab. Much like the scabs covering your wimpy ass body if you had the balls to talk like that to me in person. Internet tough guys are pussies away from the keyboard. Remember that the next time you have a chance to prove your manhood in real life. When you cower and cry, go back to your keyboard and blog to the world how tough you are. That will make you feel better. We will all know the truth though, you **** stain.

YOur so right and I'm glad to see your wife is doing much better.

Shitnao sounds like a gutless wonder to me as well.

**** Stain?? Yes that too.